So just how responsible is Obama when it comes to government spending?

[Cammmpbell]

Has he ever vetoed a spending bill?

Reagan quadrupled the national debt because of low taxes for the wealthy. Seven of the eight years he got less than he asked for. The debt mess is Reagan and the Bushes fault.

You obviously didn't see this post

http://www.usmessageboard.com/history/206811-happy-birthday-president-reagan.html#post4771542

Why don't you try using that atrophied brain of yours for something other than pigeonholing?

Bullshit....Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush spent $3,000,000,000,000 of 1980's dollars. Give me that much borrowed money and I could look good. You people just don't get it. Reagan and the Bushes made this miserable goddam mess and it might not ever get straigntened out. Neither party has ever cut spending a goddam dime but at least the Democrats taxed enough to pay their way.

 

[Full-Auto]

Reagan quadrupled the national debt because of low taxes for the wealthy. Seven of the eight years he got less than he asked for. The debt mess is Reagan and the Bushes fault.

You obviously didn't see this post

http://www.usmessageboard.com/history/206811-happy-birthday-president-reagan.html#post4771542

Why don't you try using that atrophied brain of yours for something other than pigeonholing?

Bullshit....Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush spent $3,000,000,000,000 of 1980's dollars. Give me that much borrowed money and I could look good. You people just don't get it. Reagan and the Bushes made this miserable goddam mess and it might not ever get straigntened out. Neither party has ever cut spending a goddam dime but at least the Democrats taxed enough to pay their way.

You are such a fucking low life liar.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Reagan quadrupled the national debt because of low taxes for the wealthy. Seven of the eight years he got less than he asked for. The debt mess is Reagan and the Bushes fault.

You obviously didn't see this post

http://www.usmessageboard.com/history/206811-happy-birthday-president-reagan.html#post4771542

Why don't you try using that atrophied brain of yours for something other than pigeonholing?

Bullshit....Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush spent $3,000,000,000,000 of 1980's dollars. Give me that much borrowed money and I could look good. You people just don't get it. Reagan and the Bushes made this miserable goddam mess and it might not ever get straigntened out. Neither party has ever cut spending a goddam dime but at least the Democrats taxed enough to pay their way.

Really?

Obama has taxed enough to cover his spending spree?

Stop being such a fucking sheep.

 

[Cammmpbell]

You obviously didn't see this post

http://www.usmessageboard.com/history/206811-happy-birthday-president-reagan.html#post4771542

Why don't you try using that atrophied brain of yours for something other than pigeonholing?

Bullshit....Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush spent $3,000,000,000,000 of 1980's dollars. Give me that much borrowed money and I could look good. You people just don't get it. Reagan and the Bushes made this miserable goddam mess and it might not ever get straigntened out. Neither party has ever cut spending a goddam dime but at least the Democrats taxed enough to pay their way.

Really?

Obama has taxed enough to cover his spending spree?

Stop being such a fucking sheep.

No...taxes are at their lowest point in the last forty years and Obama has been trying to go back to the Clinton rates and the goddam useless Republicans won't let him. They made the mess and now they will stand in the waqy of any attempt to fix it.

 

[Cammmpbell]

You obviously didn't see this post

http://www.usmessageboard.com/history/206811-happy-birthday-president-reagan.html#post4771542

Why don't you try using that atrophied brain of yours for something other than pigeonholing?

Bullshit....Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush spent $3,000,000,000,000 of 1980's dollars. Give me that much borrowed money and I could look good. You people just don't get it. Reagan and the Bushes made this miserable goddam mess and it might not ever get straigntened out. Neither party has ever cut spending a goddam dime but at least the Democrats taxed enough to pay their way.

You are such a fucking low life liar.

These figures are readily available...not that I think you have enough sense to find them:


09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

 

[Lovebears65]

For everyone who is asking the rich to pay their fair share should be ok with the end of EIC . Money they get for doing nothing.. Once that is done with then we should ask the rich to pay more. Why should the people get money they did not earn and in the same breath tell the rich to pay more

 

[mudwhistle]

The only thing that tells me is that you don't have an argument against these facts.

You mean the fact that he failed to accomplish anything on debt reduction?

You do realize that there are two other branches of government, right?

Sure, for 2 years he had both the Senate and the House and did squat.

I've been ether active-duty or in government service for most of the last 37 years and I've seen up close and personal the actions of 8 Presidents and the only spending cuts Obama instituted was in the Department of Defense. Pay-freezes and few new hires essentially gutting the DOD without fanfare. However, all of the cost savings are being negated by all of his new spending programs. Eventually the shit will hit the fan and you can bet he won't accept the blame. But the GOP will.

 

[mudwhistle]

Yeah, the democrats dragged their feet in the first two years, but that is no longer relevant. These proposals came a year after repubs took control of the House.

Not only that, but the bill was quite bi-partisan.

So you're still saying Obama has not failed as a leader and politician?

If he can only get things done when everyone agrees with him, then he is NOT a leader.

What's so hard to understand about that?

You are basing his uselessness on this one example. You obviously do not know much about him.

Obama is a centrist, He is bound to clash with both parties.

Now you've joined rdean and truthmatters in the "Dumber Than A Box of Rocks" club.

 

[Cammmpbell]

For everyone who is asking the rich to pay their fair share should be ok with the end of EIC . Money they get for doing nothing.. Once that is done with then we should ask the rich to pay more. Why should the people get money they did not earn and in the same breath tell the rich to pay more

Your naivity is only exceeded by your insensitivity. The Republicans borrowed $9 trillion dollars from foreign banks and funneled it into their rich supporter's pockets through tax cuts. They're the lowest kind of goddamed crooks.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Bullshit....Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush spent $3,000,000,000,000 of 1980's dollars. Give me that much borrowed money and I could look good. You people just don't get it. Reagan and the Bushes made this miserable goddam mess and it might not ever get straigntened out. Neither party has ever cut spending a goddam dime but at least the Democrats taxed enough to pay their way.

Really?

Obama has taxed enough to cover his spending spree?

Stop being such a fucking sheep.

No...taxes are at their lowest point in the last forty years and Obama has been trying to go back to the Clinton rates and the goddam useless Republicans won't let him. They made the mess and now they will stand in the waqy of any attempt to fix it.

Wrong. Obama is NOT trying to raise ALL taxes back to the blow job president's rates.

BTW what flavor Kool Aid in in the trough today?

 

[zeke]

OH NO MR BILL. Not the end of the EIC. You know Repubs put the EIC in place to placate Dems so they might go along with the BIG tax breaks for the ultra wealthy.

And I might add that I could give a flying fuck less if the ultra rich are paying WAY more in income taxes. If some of you repubs think that is wrong, I suggest you pass the collection plate and send your favorite multi billioniare a check and a condolance card. Carry the water for the ultra rich and see what you get. Besides tired. Water is heavy.

 

[Skull Pilot]

OH NO MR BILL. Not the end of the EIC. You know Repubs put the EIC in place to placate Dems so they might go along with the BIG tax breaks for the ultra wealthy.

And I might add that I could give a flying fuck less if the ultra rich are paying WAY more in income taxes. If some of you repubs think that is wrong, I suggest you pass the collection plate and send your favorite multi billioniare a check and a condolance card. Carry the water for the ultra rich and see what you get. Besides tired. Water is heavy.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Government Spending Details: Federal State Local for 2012 - Charts

I can answer the question for you, Rabbi. Check out the pie chart in that link.

US Government Spending Breakdown: Federal, State, Local for 2012 - Charts

OK. so what's the issue? Obama has spent more money than every president combined. His mentions of debt reduction are simply political lip service. HE is the most unserious player in debt reduction out there. Because spending benefits specific desired constituents while cutting doesn't help anyone specific.

Rab...it's a losing bet with Billy.....


As the reprobate said when his wife caught him with the trollop...
"Who ya' gonna believe, me or your lyin' eyes???"


U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

 

[PoliticalChic]

So you're still saying Obama has not failed as a leader and politician?

If he can only get things done when everyone agrees with him, then he is NOT a leader.

What's so hard to understand about that?

You are basing his uselessness on this one example. You obviously do not know much about him.

Obama is a centrist, He is bound to clash with both parties.

Now you've joined rdean and truthmatters in the "Dumber Than A Box of Rocks" club.

First in the dumb row.

 

[thereisnospoon]

It needs to be known that Obama has made active efforts to reduce the deficit. For some reason, a good number of you didn't even know he tried (or you just pretend it isn't true). So, instead of assuming he is nothing but an empty suit, give him credit where credit is due.

The article below was a 4 trillion reduction plan by Obama that, of course, was blocked by congress:

Obama seeks $4 trillion in cuts; GOP assails call for tax hikes - CNN

3 trillion was proposed by Obama back in September:

Details on Obama's $3-trillion deficit-cutting plan - Politico Staff - POLITICO.com

It too, never went anywhere. Why Republicans get outraged about tax hikes is beyond me.

Fun fact: Obama's contribution was 3.8 trillion a year. However, half of that figure is an automatic response to the recession.

Another fun fact: There is a website set up by the Obama team that allows you to keep track of any government spending. I don't know the address unfortunately.

Baloney. These so called "cuts" are actually reductions in budget increases based on base line budgeting.
Get back with us when Obama actually spends FEWER real dollars on government.
Example. If the budget is $1 for FY 2013 the FY 2014 budget should be 95 cents.
THAT is a CUT in spending.
This creative accounting nonsense for political gain isn't going to fly.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Obama gave lip service to debt reduction and then took steps to make sure it didnt happen. His "debt reduction" ideas take place 10 years down the road, i.e. never.
Remember when he promised his cabinet would cut 100M from their budget? That didnt happen either.
This is the most spending president in history. He has spent more than every other president combined.

Reducing the deficit by trillions of dollars takes time. Do you not realize how big of a number a trillion is?

Do you?...I was chastised by a liberal poster in another forum after i had explained that my calculator did not have enough places to get to "trillion". She stated that my unit was inadequate for "today's numbers"..
Look, the federal government found it very easy to get us into this mess by attempting to spend and tax our way out of a recession( which never works). Now you whine your side needs time?
Forget it.
Yeah...Trillion is a very large number. But democrats surely ignored that fact.
By the way....One trillion seconds is equivalent to over 3.100 years.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Obama gave lip service to debt reduction and then took steps to make sure it didnt happen. His "debt reduction" ideas take place 10 years down the road, i.e. never.
Remember when he promised his cabinet would cut 100M from their budget? That didnt happen either.
This is the most spending president in history. He has spent more than every other president combined.

Answer me this: what was Obama doing with all of that borrowed money? Do you even know?

Certainly not to very good use. That's for sure.
Where's the deficit reduction? Where are the shovel ready jobs"?.
Where are the capital improvements on infrastructure?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Answer me this: what was Obama doing with all of that borrowed money? Do you even know?

Transfer payments.

What the hell are you talking about?

Transfer payments...Typically social program spending.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Keep in mind that the guy is not an idiot. He isn't going to spend for no apparent reason, Why? Becuase he wants to re-elected.

He may not be an idiot but his ego gets in his way at every turn.
Obama has no need for economic advisers because unlike his predecessors, he doesn't heed their advise.
The guy has but one vision for this country. To introduce European style socialism.
And not because he cares about the less fortunate. Because Obama believes in equality of outcome. He also believes the elite political ruling class should be the provider for the masses.

 

[thereisnospoon]

It needs to be known that Obama has made active efforts to reduce the deficit. For some reason, a good number of you didn't even know he tried (or you just pretend it isn't true). So, instead of assuming he is nothing but an empty suit, give him credit where credit is due.

The article below was a 4 trillion reduction plan by Obama that, of course, was blocked by congress:

Obama seeks $4 trillion in cuts; GOP assails call for tax hikes - CNN

3 trillion was proposed by Obama back in September:

Details on Obama's $3-trillion deficit-cutting plan - Politico Staff - POLITICO.com

It too, never went anywhere. Why Republicans get outraged about tax hikes is beyond me.

Fun fact: Obama's contribution was 3.8 trillion a year. However, half of that figure is an automatic response to the recession.

Another fun fact: There is a website set up by the Obama team that allows you to keep track of any government spending. I don't know the address unfortunately.

Oct.1, 2009, the day Obama's first budget went into effect the interest on the Reagan-Bushes debt was $450,000,000,000. Unlike the debt the interest must be paid or we fall into default. Three times $450,000,000,000 equals $1.35 trillion. Kindly subtract that from Obama's debt and add it to the Reagan-Bushes debt.

Another little annoying factoid. When contractors and various other U S employees are added for consideration in Iraq over 9,000 were killed and over 44,000 seriously wounded. Not only did Bush and god nearly bankrupt us they also brought a shitload of grief to hundreds of thousands of Americans.

Hey, the puppy and kitty are cute.
They should be your focus in your spare time. Please stay away from this forum. This is not a place for you.