So....how many posters do we have who have heard of this INCEL Movement?

[danielpalos]

lol. nobody takes right wingers seriously about economics.

Compensating the unemployed with unemployment compensation is not simply giving someone money.

Those people who receive that compensation will spend it sooner rather than later. Every time money circulates, someone is getting money and taxes are being paid.

So if they are drawing unemployment, do they still have to report weekly with 4 verifiable sources that they applied for work?

No. Under Capitalism, we merely need follow the money trail if persons prefer to be Bad and not Good.

Why commit fraud if you can get paid to not work?

So you want unemployment compensation without seeking unemployment? lol Sorry, that's not how it works.

And you do not get paid not to work. You get paid to actively seek work.

it is compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.

No, it is not. Of course, many victims of the natural rate of unemployment can draw compensation. They lost their job through no fault of their own and are actively seeking work.

A person may not be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law or denied equal protection of the laws

 

[WinterBorn]

There is no requirement for compensation either.

lol. The legal concept of unemployment compensation already exists in our Republic.

Yes it does. But with limitations. Just because the legal concept exists does not mean it can be demanded by every person.

It is offered as assistance for those who lost their job through no fault of their own. Just like lawsuit awards are for those who suffered because of the negligence of others.

those, limitations, are unequal protection of the law for the Poor and unjust when the Richest are too rich to fail in our Republic.

No, those limitation define the compensation to be used to help those in need.

Disability is a legal concept too. Should we make it available to everyone?

Unemployment compensation is not welfare. It is Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.

You cannot redefine unemployment compensation to suit your needs.

It is temporary compensation for people who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own.

 

[WinterBorn]

So if they are drawing unemployment, do they still have to report weekly with 4 verifiable sources that they applied for work?

No. Under Capitalism, we merely need follow the money trail if persons prefer to be Bad and not Good.

Why commit fraud if you can get paid to not work?

So you want unemployment compensation without seeking unemployment? lol Sorry, that's not how it works.

And you do not get paid not to work. You get paid to actively seek work.

it is compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.

No, it is not. Of course, many victims of the natural rate of unemployment can draw compensation. They lost their job through no fault of their own and are actively seeking work.

Yes, it is.

Not according to the legal definitions of who is eligible for compensation.

 

[WinterBorn]

Employment is at the will of either party not just the employer for full benefits from unemployment compensation.

This is the same nonsense you have been posting for weeks.

It is at the will of either party, true. Either can end it at any time. But the employee getting paid for not providing labor while the employer does without labor is not equal protect of the law.

And the employer does not benefit from unemployment compensation. He has to work for his compensation.

nice irrelevant story. the employer is supposed to hire someone and have them ready to go.

And the person who quit their job is supposed to find another job.

 

[WinterBorn]

So if they are drawing unemployment, do they still have to report weekly with 4 verifiable sources that they applied for work?

No. Under Capitalism, we merely need follow the money trail if persons prefer to be Bad and not Good.

Why commit fraud if you can get paid to not work?

So you want unemployment compensation without seeking unemployment? lol Sorry, that's not how it works.

And you do not get paid not to work. You get paid to actively seek work.

it is compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.

No, it is not. Of course, many victims of the natural rate of unemployment can draw compensation. They lost their job through no fault of their own and are actively seeking work.

A person may not be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law or denied equal protection of the laws

And those who voluntarily quit their job have not been denied life, liberty, or property without due process. And they have not been denied equal protection under the law. The law does not protect your paycheck when you voluntarily quit your job. And the employer does not gain anything from the law either.

 

[danielpalos]

lol. The legal concept of unemployment compensation already exists in our Republic.

Yes it does. But with limitations. Just because the legal concept exists does not mean it can be demanded by every person.

It is offered as assistance for those who lost their job through no fault of their own. Just like lawsuit awards are for those who suffered because of the negligence of others.

those, limitations, are unequal protection of the law for the Poor and unjust when the Richest are too rich to fail in our Republic.

No, those limitation define the compensation to be used to help those in need.

Disability is a legal concept too. Should we make it available to everyone?

Unemployment compensation is not welfare. It is Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.

You cannot redefine unemployment compensation to suit your needs.

It is temporary compensation for people who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own.

only through unequal protection of the law.

 

[danielpalos]

No. Under Capitalism, we merely need follow the money trail if persons prefer to be Bad and not Good.

Why commit fraud if you can get paid to not work?

So you want unemployment compensation without seeking unemployment? lol Sorry, that's not how it works.

And you do not get paid not to work. You get paid to actively seek work.

it is compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.

No, it is not. Of course, many victims of the natural rate of unemployment can draw compensation. They lost their job through no fault of their own and are actively seeking work.

Yes, it is.

Not according to the legal definitions of who is eligible for compensation.

The law is employment at the will of either party.

2922 An employment, having no specified term, may be terminated at the will of either party on notice to the other.  Employment for a specified term means an employment for a period greater than one month.

Equal protection of that law, is the goal.

 

[danielpalos]

Employment is at the will of either party not just the employer for full benefits from unemployment compensation.

This is the same nonsense you have been posting for weeks.

It is at the will of either party, true. Either can end it at any time. But the employee getting paid for not providing labor while the employer does without labor is not equal protect of the law.

And the employer does not benefit from unemployment compensation. He has to work for his compensation.

nice irrelevant story. the employer is supposed to hire someone and have them ready to go.

And the person who quit their job is supposed to find another job.

in an at-will employment State?

 

[danielpalos]

No. Under Capitalism, we merely need follow the money trail if persons prefer to be Bad and not Good.

Why commit fraud if you can get paid to not work?

So you want unemployment compensation without seeking unemployment? lol Sorry, that's not how it works.

And you do not get paid not to work. You get paid to actively seek work.

it is compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.

No, it is not. Of course, many victims of the natural rate of unemployment can draw compensation. They lost their job through no fault of their own and are actively seeking work.

A person may not be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law or denied equal protection of the laws

And those who voluntarily quit their job have not been denied life, liberty, or property without due process. And they have not been denied equal protection under the law. The law does not protect your paycheck when you voluntarily quit your job. And the employer does not gain anything from the law either.

nobody takes the story telling right wing, seriously.

 

[WinterBorn]

Yes it does. But with limitations. Just because the legal concept exists does not mean it can be demanded by every person.

It is offered as assistance for those who lost their job through no fault of their own. Just like lawsuit awards are for those who suffered because of the negligence of others.

those, limitations, are unequal protection of the law for the Poor and unjust when the Richest are too rich to fail in our Republic.

No, those limitation define the compensation to be used to help those in need.

Disability is a legal concept too. Should we make it available to everyone?

Unemployment compensation is not welfare. It is Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.

You cannot redefine unemployment compensation to suit your needs.

It is temporary compensation for people who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own.

only through unequal protection of the law.

Equal protection under the law is already there. When you voluntarily quit your job you lose your paycheck. Your employer loses trained labor. Neither of you gets any compensation.

 

[WinterBorn]

Employment is at the will of either party not just the employer for full benefits from unemployment compensation.

This is the same nonsense you have been posting for weeks.

It is at the will of either party, true. Either can end it at any time. But the employee getting paid for not providing labor while the employer does without labor is not equal protect of the law.

And the employer does not benefit from unemployment compensation. He has to work for his compensation.

nice irrelevant story. the employer is supposed to hire someone and have them ready to go.

And the person who quit their job is supposed to find another job.

in an at-will employment State?

Yes. Just like the employer is supposed to replace the employee who quit, you are supposed to replace your income on your own. No one owes you a living, especially not for luxuries.

 

[WinterBorn]

So you want unemployment compensation without seeking unemployment? lol Sorry, that's not how it works.

And you do not get paid not to work. You get paid to actively seek work.

it is compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.

No, it is not. Of course, many victims of the natural rate of unemployment can draw compensation. They lost their job through no fault of their own and are actively seeking work.

A person may not be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law or denied equal protection of the laws

And those who voluntarily quit their job have not been denied life, liberty, or property without due process. And they have not been denied equal protection under the law. The law does not protect your paycheck when you voluntarily quit your job. And the employer does not gain anything from the law either.

nobody takes the story telling right wing, seriously.

And you refuse to accept the facts. That is your delusion, not mine.

 

[danielpalos]

those, limitations, are unequal protection of the law for the Poor and unjust when the Richest are too rich to fail in our Republic.

No, those limitation define the compensation to be used to help those in need.

Disability is a legal concept too. Should we make it available to everyone?

Unemployment compensation is not welfare. It is Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.

You cannot redefine unemployment compensation to suit your needs.

It is temporary compensation for people who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own.

only through unequal protection of the law.

Equal protection under the law is already there. When you voluntarily quit your job you lose your paycheck. Your employer loses trained labor. Neither of you gets any compensation.

No, it isn't. Equal protection is, if you can quit you can collect unemployment compensation.

 

[danielpalos]

Employment is at the will of either party not just the employer for full benefits from unemployment compensation.

This is the same nonsense you have been posting for weeks.

It is at the will of either party, true. Either can end it at any time. But the employee getting paid for not providing labor while the employer does without labor is not equal protect of the law.

And the employer does not benefit from unemployment compensation. He has to work for his compensation.

nice irrelevant story. the employer is supposed to hire someone and have them ready to go.

And the person who quit their job is supposed to find another job.

in an at-will employment State?

Yes. Just like the employer is supposed to replace the employee who quit, you are supposed to replace your income on your own. No one owes you a living, especially not for luxuries.

just another story? Equal protection of the law, does that.

And, your stories and overly dramatic. Who is going to buy luxuries instead of necessities on unemployment compensation? Your self serving stories give you away.

 

[danielpalos]

it is compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.

No, it is not. Of course, many victims of the natural rate of unemployment can draw compensation. They lost their job through no fault of their own and are actively seeking work.

A person may not be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law or denied equal protection of the laws

And those who voluntarily quit their job have not been denied life, liberty, or property without due process. And they have not been denied equal protection under the law. The law does not protect your paycheck when you voluntarily quit your job. And the employer does not gain anything from the law either.

nobody takes the story telling right wing, seriously.

And you refuse to accept the facts. That is your delusion, not mine.

you have no arguments, dear. only fallacious stories.

 

[WinterBorn]

No, those limitation define the compensation to be used to help those in need.

Disability is a legal concept too. Should we make it available to everyone?

Unemployment compensation is not welfare. It is Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.

You cannot redefine unemployment compensation to suit your needs.

It is temporary compensation for people who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own.

only through unequal protection of the law.

Equal protection under the law is already there. When you voluntarily quit your job you lose your paycheck. Your employer loses trained labor. Neither of you gets any compensation.

No, it isn't. Equal protection is, if you can quit you can collect unemployment compensation.

No it is not. YOu can stomp your feet and cry about this until you are blue in the face, but until you can explain how the employer benefits and the employee is punished, your claim of unequal protection is just a lie.

In our society, an adult who is capable, is expected to take care of themselves. That is not an unreasonable expectation. Expecting others to take care of your needs AND your luxuries just because you don't WANT to work is completely unreasonable. No amount of whining about unequal protection uner the law or the natural rate of unemployment changes that. The natural rate of unemployment ONLY considers those seeking a job. You are not seeking a job. You are spending your efforts on figuring out ways NOT to work and still get money for luxuries. YOu should be ashamed, but you apparently have no shame.

 

[WinterBorn]

This is the same nonsense you have been posting for weeks.

It is at the will of either party, true. Either can end it at any time. But the employee getting paid for not providing labor while the employer does without labor is not equal protect of the law.

And the employer does not benefit from unemployment compensation. He has to work for his compensation.

nice irrelevant story. the employer is supposed to hire someone and have them ready to go.

And the person who quit their job is supposed to find another job.

in an at-will employment State?

Yes. Just like the employer is supposed to replace the employee who quit, you are supposed to replace your income on your own. No one owes you a living, especially not for luxuries.

just another story? Equal protection of the law, does that.

And, your stories and overly dramatic. Who is going to buy luxuries instead of necessities on unemployment compensation? Your self serving stories give you away.

Who? You are! You only want a job so you can take women out to dinner. YOu quit your last job a few years ago and have been content to live off your Mom while whining about there being no "nice girls" who will fuck an unemployed guy with no prospects for the future.

 

[WinterBorn]

No, it is not. Of course, many victims of the natural rate of unemployment can draw compensation. They lost their job through no fault of their own and are actively seeking work.

A person may not be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law or denied equal protection of the laws

And those who voluntarily quit their job have not been denied life, liberty, or property without due process. And they have not been denied equal protection under the law. The law does not protect your paycheck when you voluntarily quit your job. And the employer does not gain anything from the law either.

nobody takes the story telling right wing, seriously.

And you refuse to accept the facts. That is your delusion, not mine.

you have no arguments, dear. only fallacious stories.

I have posted accurate information. You simply refuse to accept it. But rather than present counterpoints to my arguments, you laughing claim I am telling stories and lie about my using fallacies.

 

[danielpalos]

Unemployment compensation is not welfare. It is Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.

You cannot redefine unemployment compensation to suit your needs.

It is temporary compensation for people who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own.

only through unequal protection of the law.

Equal protection under the law is already there. When you voluntarily quit your job you lose your paycheck. Your employer loses trained labor. Neither of you gets any compensation.

No, it isn't. Equal protection is, if you can quit you can collect unemployment compensation.

No it is not. YOu can stomp your feet and cry about this until you are blue in the face, but until you can explain how the employer benefits and the employee is punished, your claim of unequal protection is just a lie.

In our society, an adult who is capable, is expected to take care of themselves. That is not an unreasonable expectation. Expecting others to take care of your needs AND your luxuries just because you don't WANT to work is completely unreasonable. No amount of whining about unequal protection uner the law or the natural rate of unemployment changes that. The natural rate of unemployment ONLY considers those seeking a job. You are not seeking a job. You are spending your efforts on figuring out ways NOT to work and still get money for luxuries. YOu should be ashamed, but you apparently have no shame.

yes, dear; it is.

 

[danielpalos]

nice irrelevant story. the employer is supposed to hire someone and have them ready to go.

And the person who quit their job is supposed to find another job.

in an at-will employment State?

Yes. Just like the employer is supposed to replace the employee who quit, you are supposed to replace your income on your own. No one owes you a living, especially not for luxuries.

just another story? Equal protection of the law, does that.

And, your stories and overly dramatic. Who is going to buy luxuries instead of necessities on unemployment compensation? Your self serving stories give you away.

Who? You are! You only want a job so you can take women out to dinner. YOu quit your last job a few years ago and have been content to live off your Mom while whining about there being no "nice girls" who will fuck an unemployed guy with no prospects for the future.

you need arguments not fallacious stories.