So, Coyote, who won the Democratic Debate?

[CarlinAnnArbor]

What is the alternative to medicare for all, my friends?

status quo? STATUS QUO???

Biden or Warren. But Biden makes too many mistakes...I kinda worry about him. Bernie is way too far left for the presidency, people like him are better in Congress. What is difficult to tell is har far left they would govern because, like the Republicans in their last primary, they are playing to their base trying to out left each other.

Healthcare is an important issue, but I prefer Biden’s approach of trying to fix the ACA over the call for Medicare for all and a single payer system. Not ready for that approach yet.

I have not made up my mind who to vote for.

Biden also lied thru his false teeth

 

[IM2]

You aren't objective and they all were better than Trump.

As stated coming from the demonstrably least objective person on the forum.

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Wow, 20 people in a forum of 40,000, a nation of 330 million, and a world of 7.7 billion, think I am a racist. Why my goodness I should just stop what I am doing and see things the way those 20 people want me to.

Lol!

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Are you in favor of Reparations?

Yes. Do you have a problem with that? And don't come with that we weren't there or did not own slave bullshit. Slavery is the basis on which current white American wealth is built.

 

[IM2]

What is the alternative to medicare for all, my friends?

status quo? STATUS QUO???

Biden or Warren. But Biden makes too many mistakes...I kinda worry about him. Bernie is way too far left for the presidency, people like him are better in Congress. What is difficult to tell is har far left they would govern because, like the Republicans in their last primary, they are playing to their base trying to out left each other.

Healthcare is an important issue, but I prefer Biden’s approach of trying to fix the ACA over the call for Medicare for all and a single payer system. Not ready for that approach yet.

I have not made up my mind who to vote for.

Biden also lied thru his false teeth

So has Trump. Over 12,000 times.

 

[MACAULAY]

You aren't objective and they all were better than Trump.

As stated coming from the demonstrably least objective person on the forum.

View attachment 279188

Wow, 20 people in a forum of 40,000, a nation of 330 million, and a world of 7.7 billion, think I am a racist. Why my goodness I should just stop what I am doing and see things the way those 20 people want me to.

Lol!

_____

Are you in favor of Reparations?

Yes. Do you have a problem with that? And don't come with that we weren't there or did not own slave bullshit. Slavery is the basis on which current white American wealth is built.

______

Would all White People have to pay, even ones whose ancestors immigrated after Emancipation in 1863?

Or do just the descendants of Slave Owners have to pay?

What about Kamala Harris? She's partly Black, but some of her ancestors were Slave Owners. Does she get paid, or does she have to pay?

What about Obama, he is half White, half Black. Is that a wash for him? What about his children. They are 3/4 Black and 1/4 White. Do they get 3 dollars for every dollar they have to pay in?

Are Hispanics White? Do they have to pay?

 

[iceberg]

i did. i stopped watching quickly.

attack issues. not people.

 

[toobfreak]

You aren't objective and they all were better than Trump.

As stated coming from the demonstrably least objective person on the forum.

View attachment 279188

Wow, 20 people in a forum of 40,000, a nation of 330 million, and a world of 7.7 billion, think I am a racist. Why my goodness I should just stop what I am doing and see things the way those 20 people want me to.

Lol!

_____

Are you in favor of Reparations?

Yes. Do you have a problem with that? And don't come with that we weren't there or did not own slave bullshit. Slavery is the basis on which current white American wealth is built.

MACAULAY, aren't you glad you asked? Reparations: repayment for a crime that was not a crime when it occurred, repaid by people who were never in any way involved, to people who in no way ever suffered from it, a repayment that being given, would solve or settle absolutely NOTHING except make the race-baiters even MORE demanding of wanting more, and all based purely on a person's SKIN COLOR with no factoring of the actual people.

Meantime, 10,000 other historical crimes and injustices and only the Blacks want/expect "paid" for it.

Good thing the Jews haven't asked for reparations from the Germans today for Hitler, the Peruvians demanding reparations from the Spanish, or the Indians demanding reparations from the British.

 

[IM2]

You aren't objective and they all were better than Trump.

As stated coming from the demonstrably least objective person on the forum.

View attachment 279188

Wow, 20 people in a forum of 40,000, a nation of 330 million, and a world of 7.7 billion, think I am a racist. Why my goodness I should just stop what I am doing and see things the way those 20 people want me to.

Lol!

_____

Are you in favor of Reparations?

Yes. Do you have a problem with that? And don't come with that we weren't there or did not own slave bullshit. Slavery is the basis on which current white American wealth is built.

______

Would all White People have to pay, even ones whose ancestors immigrated after Emancipation in 1863?

Or do just the descendants of Slave Owners have to pay?

What about Kamala Harris? She's partly Black, but some of her ancestors were Slave Owners. Does she get paid, or does she have to pay?

What about Obama, he is half White, half Black. Is that a wash for him? What about his children. They are 3/4 Black and 1/4 White. Do they get 3 dollars for every dollar they have to pay in?

Are Hispanics White? Do they have to pay?

The US Government pays. Just like the US government paid others reparations.

 

[toobfreak]

As stated coming from the demonstrably least objective person on the forum.

View attachment 279188

Wow, 20 people in a forum of 40,000, a nation of 330 million, and a world of 7.7 billion, think I am a racist. Why my goodness I should just stop what I am doing and see things the way those 20 people want me to.

Lol!

_____

Are you in favor of Reparations?

Yes. Do you have a problem with that? And don't come with that we weren't there or did not own slave bullshit. Slavery is the basis on which current white American wealth is built.

______

Would all White People have to pay, even ones whose ancestors immigrated after Emancipation in 1863?

Or do just the descendants of Slave Owners have to pay?

What about Kamala Harris? She's partly Black, but some of her ancestors were Slave Owners. Does she get paid, or does she have to pay?

What about Obama, he is half White, half Black. Is that a wash for him? What about his children. They are 3/4 Black and 1/4 White. Do they get 3 dollars for every dollar they have to pay in?

Are Hispanics White? Do they have to pay?

The US Government pays. Just like the US government paid others reparations.

TOO FUNNY. The US government pays for nothing. Its people pay. Every dime they have came from us. Wouldn't it be funny if they agreed to give every adult black person a $200 "reparation" tax credit, taken from the tax revenue of millions of black people! Black people paying for their own "weparations!" Serve you right.

IM2, the most racist race-baiter I've ever met looking for a free ride through life on the back of others, here he goes hijacking another thread about something with no resolution about something he shall never get.

 

[Issa]

Biden and Warren or Kamala would destroy the orange. I feel bad for Sanders, but politics is too dirty for him.

 

[IM2]

You aren't objective and they all were better than Trump.

As stated coming from the demonstrably least objective person on the forum.

View attachment 279188

Wow, 20 people in a forum of 40,000, a nation of 330 million, and a world of 7.7 billion, think I am a racist. Why my goodness I should just stop what I am doing and see things the way those 20 people want me to.

Lol!

_____

Are you in favor of Reparations?

Yes. Do you have a problem with that? And don't come with that we weren't there or did not own slave bullshit. Slavery is the basis on which current white American wealth is built.

MACAULAY, aren't you glad you asked? Reparations: repayment for a crime that was not a crime when it occurred, repaid by people who were never in any way involved, to people who in no way ever suffered from it, a repayment that being given, would solve or settle absolutely NOTHING except make the race-baiters even MORE demanding of wanting more, and all based purely on a person's SKIN COLOR with no factoring of the actual people.

Meantime, 10,000 other historical crimes and injustices and only the Blacks want/expect "paid" for it.

Good thing the Jews haven't asked for reparations from the Germans today for Hitler, the Peruvians demanding reparations from the Spanish, or the Indians demanding reparations from the British.

Jews are getting reparations from Germans today. Jew got reparations from our government. Native Americans will receive reparations until the end of days. You truly have no clue.

But before I show you how ignorant you are I will again say that the wealth white America has now was built on a foundation of slavery meaning you still benefit from it and I still suffer because of it.




Did You Know: US Gov’t Paid Reparations…To Slave Owners

On April 16, 1862, President Abraham Lincoln signed a bill ending slavery in the District of Columbia. Passage of this law came 8 1/2 months before President Lincoln issued his Emancipation Proclamation. The act brought to a conclusion decades of agitation aimed at ending what antislavery advocates called “the national shame” of slavery in the nation’s capital. It provided for immediate emancipation, compensation to former owners who were loyal to the Union of up to $300 for each freed slave, voluntary colonization of former slaves to locations outside the United States, and payments of up to $100 for each person choosing emigration.

Did You Know: US Gov’t Paid Reparations…To Slave Owners

Relations between Germany and Greece hit a new low last week after the Athens government said it would pursue reparations from Germany for war crimes committed by Nazi troops in World War II.

Greek Prime Minister, Alexis Tspiras, stated that Germany had “never properly paid reparations for the damage done,” according to Reuters. It was only last week, that the U.K. government announced that they had finally finished paying back their debt loan from World War I.

At the end of a war, countries are required to make payments as a way of making up for the damage inflicted. This was the case at the end of World Wars I and II. The debt can be paid back for many reasons, including machinery damage, and forced labor. Typically, compensation comes in the form of money or material goods.

After World War II, a number of treaties were signed to make sure countries like Greece, Israel, and the Soviet Union were compensated for the destruction caused. Those who lost the war were therefore required to pay the victors.

Germany was required to pay the most for World War II, however, the original total still appears unclear – mainly because Allied countries demanded different forms of repayment at different meetings to discuss Europe after the war. It was believed that initially the Allies suggested that Germany owed up to $320 billion in filed reparation claims -- a total, which they shortly realized couldn’t be fulfilled by Germany at the time, especially with the added World War I debt.

At the conference on German External Debts, in London, 1952, Germany’s post-war debts were written down to just under 7 billion deutschemarks (worth about $3 billion at today’s currency rates) from 16.2 billion deutschemarks, whilst its pre-war debts were reduced to 7.3 billion deutschemarks,

Additionally, Germany had to relinquish the country’s power and divide itself initially into four Allied-owned zones, which were demilitarized and removed of their weaponry.

According to one of the allied meetings, the Potsdam Conference, “payment of reparations should leave enough resources to enable the German people to subsist without external assistance.”

On January 14th 1946, in Paris, two forms of reparation were set up for the allies, in forms of shares: all reparations including funds, and those in the form of ‘industrial and other capital equipment’. The U.K., U.S., France and Yugoslavia were the biggest shareholders.

On top of that, Germany signed an agreement on September 10th 1952, confirming that West Germany would agree to pay 3 billion deutschemarks to Israel in instalments and 450 million deutschemarks to the World Jewish Congress, a federation which represents Jewish communities, over 12 years.

Similar to the situation with Greece, Israel’s finance minister, Yuval Steinitz, announced in 2009 that he wanted Germany to pay between 450 million to 1 billion euros in reparations for Jews forced into slave labor during the Holocaust – despite the fact that Germany had paid off their allocated debt to Israel.

For Japan, paying back its WWII reparations were more complicated. After WWII, it was estimated that by the Allies that Japan had lost 42 percent of its national wealth. Therefore in 1951, Japan signed a treaty to which would work for both sides.

Signed in San Francisco 1951, the ‘Treaty of Peace with Japan’, meant that “Japan will transfer its assets and those of its nationals in countries which were neutral during the war, or which were at war with any of the Allied Powers, or, at its option, the equivalent of such assets, to the International Committee of the Red Cross which shall liquidate such assets and distribute the resultant fund to appropriate national agencies.”

In total, Japan’s government agreed to make a payment of $6.67million to the International Red Cross, as compensation to former prisoners of war.

“What is important to note here is that an significant minority of South Koreans and Chinese do not accept these reparations as adequate – no matter what agreements have been signed. It is a complex issue, fraught with legal, moral, and historical concerns that strike deep at those who choose to think about it.”

There are other countries that had to pay reparations as part of the Paris Peace Treaties agreement in 1947.

Italy ($360 million)

Italy was one of the main Axis Powers alongside Germany and Japan. Under a peace treaty, it was required to pay $125 million to Yugoslavia, $105m to Greece, $100m to the Soviet Union, $25m to Ethiopia and $5m to Albania.

Finland ($300 million)

Out of all the countries that were required to pay reparations from World War II, Finland is the only one known to have paid its bill in full when it sent $300 million to the Soviet Union in 1952.

Hungary ($300 million)

Under a peace treaty, Hungary was required to pay $200 million to the Soviet Union, and $100m to Czechslovakia and Yugoslavia.

Romania ($300 million)

Under a peace treaty, Romania had to pay $300 million to the Soviet Union, for the damage it caused with its “military operations”. According to the treaty, it was to be made “payable over eight years from September 12, 1944, in commodities.”

Bulgaria ($70 million)

Bulgaria was asked to pay $45 million to Greece, and $25m to Yugoslavia. For the full $70 million, the treaty said it was to be made “payable in kind from the products of manufacturing and extractive industries and agriculture over eight years.”

Who still owes what for the two World Wars?

History of Reparations

Canada: In 1991, the Canadian government established the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples (RCAP) to investigate the state of Canada’s removal of indigenous Canadian children from their families and placement in church-run Indian Residential Schools (IRS) in an effort to homogenize Canadian society. As a result of the commission’s recommendations, the government issued a symbolic apology in a “Statement of Reconciliation,” admitting that the schools were designed on racist models of assimilation. In addition, the government provided a $350 million fund for those affected by the schools. In 2006, the federal government signed the Indian Residential Schools Settlement Agreement, agreeing to provide reparations to the survivors of this program. The Settlement totals $2 billion, and includes financial compensation, a truth commission, and support services.

Chile: In 1990, president Patricio Aylwin created the National Truth and Reconciliation Commission to investigate the human rights abuses of the 1973-1990 regime of General Augusto Pinochet. The commission resulted in the 1991 Rettig Report, which documented disappearances, political executions, and torture. The National Corporation for Reparations and Reconciliation then recommended reparations for the victims, including: monthly pensions, educational benefits for the children of the disappeared, exemption from military service, and priority access to health services. These initiatives have been criticized for protecting the identities of perpetrators and failing to recognize all victims to whom reparations are owed.

Morocco: From the 1960s and 1990s, the “years of lead,” massive human rights violations were carried out in the government’s campaign of political oppression: executions, torture, and the annihilation of other civil liberties. King Mohammed VI formed the Independent Arbitration Commission (IAC) to compensate victims of forced disappearances and arbitrary detention. The IAC saw about 5,000 cases and awarded a total of $100 million. Victims and their families complained of a lack of transparency in the tribunal’s procedures and demanded truth-seeking measures in addition to financial compensation. Thus, in 2004, an official truth-seeking initiative, the Equity and Reconciliation Commission (IER) was formed. The IER issued a reparations policy considered ground-breaking for upholding gender equity. It resulted in roughly $85 million, paid to almost 10,000 people. The IER’s recommendations also led to a collective reparations program that blended the symbolic recognition of human rights violations with a development program in 11 regions of Morocco that had suffered from collective punishment. As of May 2010, implementation of the collective reparations program was ongoing.

Other reparations programs have been proposed and/or implemented in: Argentina, Brazil, Cambodia, Colombia, the Democratic Republic of Congo, East Timor, El Salvador, Germany, Ghana, Guatemala, Haiti, Iraq, Malawi, Liberia, South Africa, Kenya, the United States, and others.

Guyana: In 2007, Guyana called for European nations to pay reparations for the slave trade, with no success. In 2013, in the first of a series of lectures in Georgetown, Guyana, to commemorate the 250th anniversary of the 1763 Berbice Slave Revolt, the principal of University of the West Indies, Sir Beckles, urged Caribbean Community (CARICOM) countries to emulate the position adopted by the Jews who were prosecuted during WWII and organize for pursuit of a reparations fund.

In 2011, Antigua and Barbuda called for reparations at the United Nations, claiming “that segregation and violence against people of African descent had impaired their capacity for advancement as nations, communities and individuals.”

Barbados: In 2012, the government of Barbados established a Reparations Task Force responsible for sustaining the local, regional and international momentum for reparations.Barbados is reportedly “currently leading the way in calling for reparations from former colonial powers for the injustices suffered by slaves and their families.”

Jamaica: In 2004, a coalition of Rastafari groups argued that European countries formerly involved in the slave trade, especially Britain, should pay 72.5 billion pounds sterling to resettle 500,000 Jamaican Rastafarians in Africa. The claim was rejected by the British government, which said it could not be held accountable for wrongs in past centuries.In 2012, Jamaica revived its reparations commission, to consider the question of whether the country should seek an apology or reparations from Britain for its role in the slave trade.

History of Reparations | The Islah Reparations Project

Don't talk about things you know nothing about.

 

[IM2]

Wow, 20 people in a forum of 40,000, a nation of 330 million, and a world of 7.7 billion, think I am a racist. Why my goodness I should just stop what I am doing and see things the way those 20 people want me to.

Lol!

_____

Are you in favor of Reparations?

Yes. Do you have a problem with that? And don't come with that we weren't there or did not own slave bullshit. Slavery is the basis on which current white American wealth is built.

______

Would all White People have to pay, even ones whose ancestors immigrated after Emancipation in 1863?

Or do just the descendants of Slave Owners have to pay?

What about Kamala Harris? She's partly Black, but some of her ancestors were Slave Owners. Does she get paid, or does she have to pay?

What about Obama, he is half White, half Black. Is that a wash for him? What about his children. They are 3/4 Black and 1/4 White. Do they get 3 dollars for every dollar they have to pay in?

Are Hispanics White? Do they have to pay?

The US Government pays. Just like the US government paid others reparations.

TOO FUNNY. The US government pays for nothing. Its people pay. Every dime they have came from us. Wouldn't it be funny if they agreed to give every adult black person a $200 "reparation" tax credit, taken from the tax revenue of millions of black people! Black people paying for their own "weparations!" Serve you right.

IM2, the most racist race-baiter I've ever met looking for a free ride through life on the back of others, here he goes hijacking another thread about something with no resolution about something he shall never get.

If reparations were paid tomorrow I would direct my part to be put in a fund dedicated to rebuilding black communities. Unlike you, I've succeeded in life financially so I don't need reparations. Whites like you who have been given what you have because of the government should stop assuming blacks here who challenge your racism are poor and destitute. The blacks in that position don't have time to waste on your trifling racist asses because they are working 2 jobs. We who have been blessed are required to provide a voice for those unable to speak.

And faggott I am not the one who bought up reparations. It was one of your white butt buddies. So go talk to Macauley about that. Bitch.

 

[Coyote]

What is the alternative to medicare for all, my friends?

status quo? STATUS QUO???

Fix ACA.

Any complicated program is going to have problems, but the Republicans have refused to pass any fixes and done everything in their power to destroy it.

 

[B. Kidd]

What is the alternative to medicare for all, my friends?

status quo? STATUS QUO???

Biden or Warren. But Biden makes too many mistakes...I kinda worry about him. Bernie is way too far left for the presidency, people like him are better in Congress. What is difficult to tell is har far left they would govern because, like the Republicans in their last primary, they are playing to their base trying to out left each other.

Healthcare is an important issue, but I prefer Biden’s approach of trying to fix the ACA over the call for Medicare for all and a single payer system. Not ready for that approach yet.

I have not made up my mind who to vote for.

Biden also lied thru his false teeth

For Biden's next act, his dentures will fly out of his mouth while both eyes shoot blood; and all the media and Democrats will say is that Joe is such a gaffe-ster.

 

[Coyote]

I don’t support reparations. Native Americans get something different, not reparations. What I would support is increased community investment and empowerment to disadvantaged communitees including better police/ community relations, safety, education, urban renewal that doesn’t price residents out of their homes. That type of investment would disproportionately help African American communities.

If a candidate pushes for reparations it create a further racial rift, resentment of people who feel forced to pay for something they had no part in, or who feel one group of people are getting something special solely based on skin color, that is denied to others.

 

[Terri4Trump]

I am an objective observer, I am disgusted by all of them.

Uncle Joe started off good enough, but his brain gets tired pretty quick, and it had quit working by the time they asked him about past racial issues, and he responded by talking about Venezuela and record players. Whatever is wrong with him is only going to get worse over the next grueling year.

And "The Bern" look even older and even crabbier than usual. He only looked good three years ago, because he was being compared to the worst candidate in history---the Depraved Hillary Clinton.

The two old White Boys are done.

So, I would say Elizabeth Warren. She is easily the closest to being a certifiable Lunatic, and that's a benefit in today's Demo-Socialist Electorate.

What do you think, Coyote? Anybody?

Your opinion on this would be much appreciated.

Bi-Partisan discussion?

Trump won.

 

[Terri4Trump]

What I would support is increased community investment and empowerment to disadvantaged communitees

Meaningless gobbldeygook doubletalk

better police/ community relations, safety, education

Thats all the job of local government, not the Federal government

 

[Coyote]

What I would support is increased community investment and empowerment to disadvantaged communitees

Meaningless gobbldeygook doubletalk

better police/ community relations, safety, education

Thats all the job of local government, not the Federal government

It isn’t meaningless if you live in those communities.

The federal government can issue grants to states and municipalities. They can encourage innovative strategies.

I live in a state where we have a lot of poor communities and food deserts. We received a large philanthropic grant to address some of the problems: WVU Foundation | WVU to launch new Center for Resilient Communities

Grants to states and communities can be used in a similar way. Many communities have been hard hit by the loss of traditional high paying jobs in manufacturing, resource extraction, etc that have been largely replaced by automation. Jobs leave, people who can leave, grocery stores leave, crime and drug use increase, vacant and abandoned properties further depress values. We need people at a community level taking the lead. Theu
Y know what is needed and grants, even tiny ones, to fix small problems can build to improving big ones. That is my view.

 

[Coyote]

Do you folks rule out Kamala Harris?

Don't you think that, while Obama is smart not to touch (publically) the race while it is still in doubt....he is secretly backing Harris?

I like her, but I don’t think she is a strong enough candidate yet. She is young, she has plenty of time.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

I'm surprised Biden rec'd any marks, are his opponents really that bad? Biden is perfectly unable to produce a coherent sentence.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Who won the democrat debate?

Donald Trump, hands down.