So Conservatives, Republicans, Libertarians are in fact, Nazis

[Quantum Windbag]

Nazis, Republicans and some Libertarians are Authoritarians.

Same Genus, different Species.

Which libertarians are authoritarian? Most people consider them to be anarchist. Would you like a list of the authoritarian Democrats and Progressives currently in our government?

Most libertarians want to abolish entirely all forms of government and authority?

Nope, but they are often accused of it.

 

[Oddball]

Which libertarians are authoritarian? Most people consider them to be anarchist. Would you like a list of the authoritarian Democrats and Progressives currently in our government?

Most libertarians want to abolish entirely all forms of government and authority?

Nope, but they are often accused of it.

....by people who lamely try to frame libertarians as anarchists.

 

[sparky]

 

[IndependntLogic]

Democrats and Socialism have a long history of coexistence. In fact, if I recall correctly, many Democrats/Socialists/Progressives supported Hitler. I think your thread failed before it got started because you do not properly understand the terms here.

A Socialists believes that the government should supply non public goods.I would love to explain the difference between a public and a non public good, but it is a little hard to pin down without citing examples. The Nazis were actually socialists, and, if not for their racism, would have loved Obama.

Would you like an example of libertarians who support Obama?

Libertarians for Obama

Republicans?

Conservatives for Obama Blog

Even for a tongue in cheek post you are so far off that it is not worth pointing out just how far off you are. To put it in terms Obama would appreciate, you are trying to sink a put for the 18th hole, but your ball is still on the 1st tee.

Dude, like our other friend, you missed a rather significant point. I never said anything about any Germans...

Neither did I, Hitler was an Austrian.

Really? The Germans never granted him citizenship? Humpf, ya learn something new every day!

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The rest of the world knows socialism is democratic and helps people, communism ALWAYS totalitarian and a failure. At this point 60% of the USA are sorely misled by the Pub propaganda machine: what is socialism, global warming, health reform, actual wealth numbers, etc, etc...

Socialism is Democratic? Did that include the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? Did it even include the German Democratic Republic?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Conservatives for the most part like to cherry-pick the values that make our country great, they believe the Constitution is a cafeteria plan, where they acknowledge the rights they approve of and reject the rights they don’t, such as privacy rights with regard to abortion and due process rights with regard to same-sex marriage. Preserving the things that they hold dear to the detriment of other Americans is not a value advocated by the Founding Fathers.

If conservatives fought as hard in the courts for 4th, 5th, 6th, and 14th Amendment rights of the individual with regard to privacy and due process issues as they do corporate interests with regard to the Necessary and Proper, Supremacy, and Commerce Clause issues, then they’d at least present a more consistent agenda with regard to their political philosophy.

And we all know that liberal/progressives would never ever ever ever ever ever cherry pick articles form the Constitution they like in order to support an agenda.

Social ‘conservatives’ and Christian fundamentalists contaminate basic conservative tenets that may have some merit. exacerbating the dissonance between left and right.

Do they really?

The fundamental conflict stems from the belief by most conservatives that government social programs act as a ‘disincentive’ where the individual need not take responsibility for his own life. That without public education, Medicaid, and Social Security, people would work harder and earn more money to be able to educate their children, pay for healthcare, and have savings for retirement. Consequently, conservative dogma maintains, poverty would be rare and of small numbers to the extent that private non-profit entities and religious organizations would be able to ‘care’ for the poor.

It is nice how you dismiss something which every social scientist now accepts as a fact as merely a belief.

Conservatives do not oppose social spending, they just believe that it should be effective and only go to those who need help. One thing that boggles my mind is why liberals, who claim to hate big business, support a system designed to turn people into corporate drones to feed the needs of big business. Not that I would expect you, a product of that system, to see the dichotomy.

There are also conflicts with regard to the size and role of government, taxation and regulation, and foreign policy issues, but the doctrine of the ‘governmental disincentive’ and its effect on the individual is at the core of conservative dogma and the source of the fundamental conflict with non-conservatives, who believe government plays an important and positive role in Americans’ daily lives.

What you are saying is conservatives prefer to deal with reality, and everyone else prefers to live in a fantasy land where good intentions always bring good results. Nice that someone on the left finally admits it.

Paranoid nonsense: the rule of law ensures every American’s rights are protected from government – at all levels, state and local – overreach and excess, regardless the size of government. The rule of law protects Americans’ rights from the tyranny of the majority, be that via referendum or representative body.

NO IT DOES NOT.

The rule of law ensures that the government can get away with whatever it wants.

1. The rule of law says that I need the government's permission to hold a peaceable rally, The Constitution says I have a right to do so even if the government does not want to give me permission.
2. The rule of law says I cannot own a weapon without the government's permission, the Constitution says it shall not be infringed.
3. I can't really complain about the rule of law and the 3rd because, as of yet, the government has seen no need to ignore it.
4. The rule of law says that I have to let people look in my baggage if I walk into an airport, the Constitution says all searches organized by the government are unreasonable and need a warrant.
5. The rule of law says the government can take my land and give it to anyone they want, the Constitution says otherwise.
6. The rule of law says that people accused of some crimes can be locked up without access to counsel or the ability to see evidence against him.
7. The rule of law says that appeals courts can decide facts when the judge thinks the jury got it wrong
8. The rule of law says that requiring million dollar bails from people that work part time is not excessive.
9. The rule of law says it is illegal to tape police when they are beating the crap out of someone on a city street.
10. The rule of law says that Congress can tell states to pass speed limit laws.

Only a dunce would fall for the line that the rule of law exists to protect the rights of individuals.

More paranoid nonsense: where in the Constitution does it say what ‘size’ the government should be? The government merely reflects the people, indeed, it is the people. And government is no more malevolent or benevolent than per the will of the people. Hence the rule of law, as men can not rule other men justly. Many on the right seem to think the people and the government are two separate and distinct entities, they are not.

As you have pointed out when it suits you, the Constitution does not exist to give us a government that reflects the people. It is supposed to prevent the government from declaring that Muslims do not have the right to worship and build Mosques, or deciding that I have no right to make my own associations. That means that you cannot turn around and argue that the Constitution does not prevent it when it does something you like.

That would make you two faced if you actually did that.

The Framers created the Constitution not to protect the people from ‘the government’ but to protect the people from themselves.

What can I say, you must actually be two faced.

Have you read any history at all?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Quote: Originally Posted by C_Clayton_Jones
The Framers created the Constitution not to protect the people from ‘the government’ but to protect the people from themselves.

Please re-think this... I implore you.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

This is tongue in cheek folks. It's a parody of what extremist views run amok, can lead to. Someone else started a thread stating that Democrats are all Socialist. Did he back it up with specifics? Cite sources? Even bother to define what "Socialism" is or what he means by it? Nope.
But I will. Ironically, the biggest Nazi Party in America is not the American Nazi Party but rather, The National Socialist Movement - which is 100% Nazi. What are their stances on the issues?

Nazis are violently opposed to Obama - no matter what he does. Just like ConservaRepubs & Libertarians.

The Nazis blame America's problems on illegal immigrants - even problems that are obviously unrelated. Just like ConservaRepubs & Libertarians.

The Nazis want the "Papers Please" policy throughout the US. This is the one, galvanizing political issue which is giving the large and smaller Nazi groups momentum. Just like ConservaRepubs & Libertarians.

The Nazis want the government to have control over killing the living (i.e. death penalty)but they also want the government to have control over a woman's body (i.e. they are for overturning Roe v. Wade). Just like ConservaRepubs & Libertarians.

The Nazis are VERY into the Right to Bear Arms - even auto weapons, or in bars or on school grounds. Just like ConservaRepubs & Libertarians.

The Nazis are very clear that America is a Christian Nation. JuJust like ConservaRepubs & Libertarians.

The Nazis are offended that any language other than English is used in businesses etc... let alone schools. Just like ConservaRepubs & Libertarians.

They hate Jews most but ... The Nazis hate Muslims, consider ALL of them to be a threat to America and whether they have ever known one personally or studied the Koran, they claim to "know" what it is all about. Just like ConservaRepubs & SOME Libertarians.

The Nazis feel that homosexuality is either a choice or a "disease" that should be cured or eliminated. Obviously not people who should the rights of "Normal" people.
Just like ConservaRepubs & SOME Libertarians.

Now guess what? I know lots of Conservatives who are very fine, loving, hard-working compassionate people. I dont believe Conservative are Nazis. But as opposed to the extremist who label all LibDems as being socialist, I can cite several local chapters and candidates from the GOP AND Libertarian parties who agree with all or almost all of these...... Nazi positions.
It doesn't mean they're Nazis. Any more than LibDems are Socialists.

Okay. THAT will stir up the pot a bit! Have fun with this one..

Don't forget that Nazi's were all white.

Your racism is showing again.

 

[saveliberty]

Invoking an inflamatory word is suppose to get me all worked up independentlogic?

You don't like being termed a socialist, then stop trying to equally divide everything. People are created equal and then become more or less than that by their own merit and abilities. Stop trying to make a government that tells us what we are supposed to do, instead of letting us express our liberties. For these things you are labeled as you are.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Dude, like our other friend, you missed a rather significant point. I never said anything about any Germans...

Neither did I, Hitler was an Austrian.

Really? The Germans never granted him citizenship? Humpf, ya learn something new every day!

I actually don't know. It really doesn't matter to my point though, I was not talking about Germans, I was talking about Hitler and the Nazis. If you think you can talk about Nazis and not at least acknowledge Hitler than you are more off kilter than I thought from your posts.

 

[GoneBezerk]

NAZI = National Socialist....left-wing pukes just right of the communists.

Hitler and Stalin had many of the same views about the Jews, economics, etc that is why they had an alliance until Hitler wanted Russia's oil fields.

So any dumbfuck claiming NAZIS are right-wing should be shot in the head like the NAZIS.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Hayek on Fascism

"It is simply collectivism freed from all traces of an individualist tradition which might hamper its realization"
​

 

[Political Junky]

NAZI = National Socialist....left-wing pukes just right of the communists.

Hitler and Stalin had many of the same views about the Jews, economics, etc that is why they had an alliance until Hitler wanted Russia's oil fields.

So any dumbfuck claiming NAZIS are right-wing should be shot in the head like the NAZIS.

Mussolini was the authority on Fascism.
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."
Benito Mussolini

"Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail."
Benito Mussolini

"The streets of our country are in turmoil. The universities are filled with students rebelling and rioting. Communists are seeking to destroy our country. Russia is threatening us with her might, and the Republic is in danger. Yes - danger from within and without. We need law and order! Without it our nation cannot survive."
–Adolf Hitler

 

[Moonglow]

NAZI = National Socialist....left-wing pukes just right of the communists.

Hitler and Stalin had many of the same views about the Jews, economics, etc that is why they had an alliance until Hitler wanted Russia's oil fields.

So any dumbfuck claiming NAZIS are right-wing should be shot in the head like the NAZIS.

the joke is on you, Adolf Hitler had argued in his autobiography Mein Kampf for the necessity of Lebensraum, acquiring new territory for German settlement in Eastern Europe

Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism; alternatively spelled Naziism[1]; historically also Hitlerism,[2] Hitlerismus[3]) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany.[4][5][6][7] It was a unique variety of fascism that incorporated biological racism and antisemitism.[8] Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies, though a majority of scholars hold it to be a far right form of politics.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist

 

[Political Junky]

This is tongue in cheek folks. It's a parody of what extremist views run amok, can lead to. Someone else started a thread stating that Democrats are all Socialist. Did he back it up with specifics? Cite sources? Even bother to define what "Socialism" is or what he means by it? Nope.
But I will. Ironically, the biggest Nazi Party in America is not the American Nazi Party but rather, The National Socialist Movement - which is 100% Nazi. What are their stances on the issues?

Nazis are violently opposed to Obama - no matter what he does. Just like ConservaRepubs & Libertarians.

The Nazis blame America's problems on illegal immigrants - even problems that are obviously unrelated. Just like ConservaRepubs & Libertarians.

The Nazis want the "Papers Please" policy throughout the US. This is the one, galvanizing political issue which is giving the large and smaller Nazi groups momentum. Just like ConservaRepubs & Libertarians.

The Nazis want the government to have control over killing the living (i.e. death penalty)but they also want the government to have control over a woman's body (i.e. they are for overturning Roe v. Wade). Just like ConservaRepubs & Libertarians.

The Nazis are VERY into the Right to Bear Arms - even auto weapons, or in bars or on school grounds. Just like ConservaRepubs & Libertarians.

The Nazis are very clear that America is a Christian Nation. JuJust like ConservaRepubs & Libertarians.

The Nazis are offended that any language other than English is used in businesses etc... let alone schools. Just like ConservaRepubs & Libertarians.

They hate Jews most but ... The Nazis hate Muslims, consider ALL of them to be a threat to America and whether they have ever known one personally or studied the Koran, they claim to "know" what it is all about. Just like ConservaRepubs & SOME Libertarians.

The Nazis feel that homosexuality is either a choice or a "disease" that should be cured or eliminated. Obviously not people who should the rights of "Normal" people.
Just like ConservaRepubs & SOME Libertarians.

Now guess what? I know lots of Conservatives who are very fine, loving, hard-working compassionate people. I dont believe Conservative are Nazis. But as opposed to the extremist who label all LibDems as being socialist, I can cite several local chapters and candidates from the GOP AND Libertarian parties who agree with all or almost all of these...... Nazi positions.
It doesn't mean they're Nazis. Any more than LibDems are Socialists.

Okay. THAT will stir up the pot a bit! Have fun with this one..

Don't forget that Nazi's were all white.

Seriously? You're going there? Are you like, an oppressed black man or something? Just askin...

Do you deny that Nazis were all white?

 

[Neotrotsky]

well is it wik

 

[Neotrotsky]

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

 

[Neotrotsky]

NAZI = National Socialist....left-wing pukes just right of the communists.

Hitler and Stalin had many of the same views about the Jews, economics, etc that is why they had an alliance until Hitler wanted Russia's oil fields.

So any dumbfuck claiming NAZIS are right-wing should be shot in the head like the NAZIS.

Mussolini was the authority on Fascism.
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."
Benito Mussolini

"Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail."
Benito Mussolini

"The streets of our country are in turmoil. The universities are filled with students rebelling and rioting. Communists are seeking to destroy our country. Russia is threatening us with her might, and the Republic is in danger. Yes - danger from within and without. We need law and order! Without it our nation cannot survive."
–Adolf Hitler

All CPE's share the quality of being statist



he also said

Mussolini also said:

Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State; and it is for the individual in so far as he coincides with the State,

and he said:

Everything in the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State."- Mussolini
(Der Nationalsozialismos, die Weltanschauung des 20. Jahrhunderts)


Also,

Mussolini liked to affirm that Marx was his spiritual father
(Mussolini y el Fascismo," in Que sais je. (in Spanish), page 31.)

 

[saveliberty]

Were the Nazis all white? In North Africa?

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

If you think Nazis are socialists, you are an idiot....

"Who created the big welfare entitlements? Who EAGERLY supports big taxes? Who supports profound interference in the market? Who insists every company and other organization be carefully racially "balanced"? Who tries to suppress the first and second amendments to the constitution? Who enacted the healthcare takeover? Who supports hyper-regulation? "

Who are fear mongered dupes of greedy rich and corporations?