Slavery, and then abortion

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Adolf Hitler, quotes about Nazi:
We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.

About the only thing that was not socialist about Hitler was not owning industry by name.

Adolf Hitler, quotes about Nazi:
Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?

So as we see, Hitler saw controlling industry much more important than trying to run it himself. In fact, that is pretty much the US model today.

 

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Adolf Hitler, quotes about Nazi:
We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.

It was to only try and wean some of the working class support over to him that he made references like he did to socialism. And that never really worked, the Nazis always had the least support from the working class. In that particular section of the book Toland is discussing Hitler's use of propaganda and his oratory style. He starts out by stating that the Berlin Nazi party (or Gau) was in disarray at this time and Goebbels was sent to straighten out the situation. He found that "The thousand party members under his jurisdiction were opposed on the streets by overwhelming numbers of Communists and Social Democrats." The course of action they decided on was to do everything they could to pick fights and to basically 'Red Bait' the Leftists in order to inflame violence, and to use propaganda to confuse the masses to try and weaken the real Left.

historyandpolitics77 We are socialists .... Debunked

 

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Adolf Hitler, quotes about Nazi:
We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.

It was to only try and wean some of the working class support over to him that he made references like he did to socialism. And that never really worked, the Nazis always had the least support from the working class. In that particular section of the book Toland is discussing Hitler's use of propaganda and his oratory style. He starts out by stating that the Berlin Nazi party (or Gau) was in disarray at this time and Goebbels was sent to straighten out the situation. He found that "The thousand party members under his jurisdiction were opposed on the streets by overwhelming numbers of Communists and Social Democrats." The course of action they decided on was to do everything they could to pick fights and to basically 'Red Bait' the Leftists in order to inflame violence, and to use propaganda to confuse the masses to try and weaken the real Left.

historyandpolitics77 We are socialists .... Debunked

You need to read this book

Hitler s Beneficiaries 2005 by Gotz Aly Leading Light

I don't care much what you wish to call the Nazi regime, but they did refer to themselves as socialists and they had many aspects of socialism in their ideology. Gotz is a German historian that has linked their nanny state as to the reason the populace supported it.

Hitler had two major expenditures. He diverted money to the military and to the nanny state, much like we see the US do today. In fact, Hitler's economy is more like the US today than it is the traditional socialist government. As I have said, Hitler did not believe in owning industry by name. Instead, he made sure they knew who was boss and simply pulled their strings, much like the power the federal government has over the Fed or Fanny Mae today.

He raised his revenue by imposing a steep progressive tax on the people. The top 4% had to pay about half their income to the German state. Although it did not raise that much revenue, it was popular with the people, which was what the Nazi regime was after. The vast majority of the revenue they raised came from conquered territories and from stealing from Jews. For example, the Nazis would conquer and country and instead of looting it directly, they would create a new currency, give it to their soldiers, and have them shop till they dropped as they sent all the loot back home to Germany. Naturally, this destroyed the economies of the nations they conquered, so the Germans would encourage the conquered governments to round up the Jews and take their gold to help stabilize their economies. And it worked.

Of course, the Nazi regime spent so much money that there was not enough revenue to raise, so Hitler simply ran massive deficits, so high in fact, that he forbade the German government from passing a budget in 1938.

Gotz speculates that Hitler had to invade Poland in the late 1930's, or face economic ruin due to debt. In essence, Hitler burned all their bridges. It was world conquest, or economic ruin.

 

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Adolf Hitler, quotes about Nazi:
We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.

It was to only try and wean some of the working class support over to him that he made references like he did to socialism. And that never really worked, the Nazis always had the least support from the working class. In that particular section of the book Toland is discussing Hitler's use of propaganda and his oratory style. He starts out by stating that the Berlin Nazi party (or Gau) was in disarray at this time and Goebbels was sent to straighten out the situation. He found that "The thousand party members under his jurisdiction were opposed on the streets by overwhelming numbers of Communists and Social Democrats." The course of action they decided on was to do everything they could to pick fights and to basically 'Red Bait' the Leftists in order to inflame violence, and to use propaganda to confuse the masses to try and weaken the real Left.

historyandpolitics77 We are socialists .... Debunked

You need to read this book

Hitler s Beneficiaries 2005 by Gotz Aly Leading Light

I don't care much what you wish to call the Nazi regime, but they did refer to themselves as socialists and they had many aspects of socialism in their ideology. Gotz is a German historian that has linked their nanny state as to the reason the populace supported it.

Hitler had two major expenditures. He diverted money to the military and to the nanny state, much like we see the US do today. In fact, Hitler's economy is more like the US today than it is the traditional socialist government. As I have said, Hitler did not believe in owning industry by name. Instead, he made sure they knew who was boss and simply pulled their strings, much like the power the federal government has over the Fed or Fanny Mae today.

He raised his revenue by imposing a steep progressive tax on the people. The top 4% had to pay about half their income to the German state. Although it did not raise that much revenue, it was popular with the people, which was what the Nazi regime was after. The vast majority of the revenue they raised came from conquered territories and from stealing from Jews. For example, the Nazis would conquer and country and instead of looting it directly, they would create a new currency, give it to their soldiers, and have them shop till they dropped as they sent all the loot back home to Germany. Naturally, this destroyed the economies of the nations they conquered, so the Germans would encourage the conquered governments to round up the Jews and take their gold to help stabilize their economies. And it worked.

Of course, the Nazi regime spent so much money that there was not enough revenue to raise, so Hitler simply ran massive deficits, so high in fact, that he forbade the German government from passing a budget in 1938.

Gotz speculates that Hitler had to invade Poland in the late 1930's, or face economic ruin due to debt. In essence, Hitler burned all their bridges. It was world conquest, or economic ruin.

Hitler was not a socialist. He killed the socialists in his own party. Do you know what the Night of the Long Knives was?

Industrialists such as Albert Voegler, Gustav Krupp, Alfried Krupp, Fritz Thyssen and Emile Kirdorf, who had provided the funds for the Nazi victory, were unhappy with Röhm's socialistic views on the economy and his claims that the real revolution had still to take place. Many people in the party also disapproved of the fact that Roehm and many other leaders of the SA were homosexuals.

Night of the Long Knives



The Night of the Long Knives

The four million brown shirted Nazi storm troopers, the SA (Sturmabteilung), included many members who actually believed in the 'socialism' of National Socialism and also wanted to become a true revolutionary army in place of the regular German Army.

But to the regular Army High Command and its conservative supporters, this potential storm trooper army represented a threat to centuries old German military traditions and the privileges of rank. Adolf Hitler had been promising the generals for years he would restore their former military glory and break the "shackles" of the Treaty of Versailles which limited the Army to 100,000 men and prevented modernization.

For Adolf Hitler, the behavior of the SA was a problem that now threatened his own political survival and the entire future of the Nazi movement.

The anti-capitalist, anti-tradition sentiments often expressed by SA leaders and echoed by the restless masses of storm troopers also caused great concern to big industry leaders who had helped put Hitler in power. Hitler had promised them he would put down the trade union movement and Marxists, which he had done. However, now his own storm troopers with their talk of a 'second revolution' were sounding more and more like Marxists themselves. (The first revolution having been the Nazi seizure of power in early 1933.)

The History Place - World War II in Europe Timeline June 30 1934 - The Night of the Long Knives

 

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Adolf Hitler, quotes about Nazi:
We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.

It was to only try and wean some of the working class support over to him that he made references like he did to socialism. And that never really worked, the Nazis always had the least support from the working class. In that particular section of the book Toland is discussing Hitler's use of propaganda and his oratory style. He starts out by stating that the Berlin Nazi party (or Gau) was in disarray at this time and Goebbels was sent to straighten out the situation. He found that "The thousand party members under his jurisdiction were opposed on the streets by overwhelming numbers of Communists and Social Democrats." The course of action they decided on was to do everything they could to pick fights and to basically 'Red Bait' the Leftists in order to inflame violence, and to use propaganda to confuse the masses to try and weaken the real Left.

historyandpolitics77 We are socialists .... Debunked

You need to read this book

Hitler s Beneficiaries 2005 by Gotz Aly Leading Light

I don't care much what you wish to call the Nazi regime, but they did refer to themselves as socialists and they had many aspects of socialism in their ideology. Gotz is a German historian that has linked their nanny state as to the reason the populace supported it.

Hitler had two major expenditures. He diverted money to the military and to the nanny state, much like we see the US do today. In fact, Hitler's economy is more like the US today than it is the traditional socialist government. As I have said, Hitler did not believe in owning industry by name. Instead, he made sure they knew who was boss and simply pulled their strings, much like the power the federal government has over the Fed or Fanny Mae today.

He raised his revenue by imposing a steep progressive tax on the people. The top 4% had to pay about half their income to the German state. Although it did not raise that much revenue, it was popular with the people, which was what the Nazi regime was after. The vast majority of the revenue they raised came from conquered territories and from stealing from Jews. For example, the Nazis would conquer and country and instead of looting it directly, they would create a new currency, give it to their soldiers, and have them shop till they dropped as they sent all the loot back home to Germany. Naturally, this destroyed the economies of the nations they conquered, so the Germans would encourage the conquered governments to round up the Jews and take their gold to help stabilize their economies. And it worked.

Of course, the Nazi regime spent so much money that there was not enough revenue to raise, so Hitler simply ran massive deficits, so high in fact, that he forbade the German government from passing a budget in 1938.

Gotz speculates that Hitler had to invade Poland in the late 1930's, or face economic ruin due to debt. In essence, Hitler burned all their bridges. It was world conquest, or economic ruin.

Hitler was not a socialist. He killed the socialists in his own party. Do you know what the Night of the Long Knives was?

Industrialists such as Albert Voegler, Gustav Krupp, Alfried Krupp, Fritz Thyssen and Emile Kirdorf, who had provided the funds for the Nazi victory, were unhappy with Röhm's socialistic views on the economy and his claims that the real revolution had still to take place. Many people in the party also disapproved of the fact that Roehm and many other leaders of the SA were homosexuals.

Night of the Long Knives



The Night of the Long Knives

The four million brown shirted Nazi storm troopers, the SA (Sturmabteilung), included many members who actually believed in the 'socialism' of National Socialism and also wanted to become a true revolutionary army in place of the regular German Army.

But to the regular Army High Command and its conservative supporters, this potential storm trooper army represented a threat to centuries old German military traditions and the privileges of rank. Adolf Hitler had been promising the generals for years he would restore their former military glory and break the "shackles" of the Treaty of Versailles which limited the Army to 100,000 men and prevented modernization.

For Adolf Hitler, the behavior of the SA was a problem that now threatened his own political survival and the entire future of the Nazi movement.

The anti-capitalist, anti-tradition sentiments often expressed by SA leaders and echoed by the restless masses of storm troopers also caused great concern to big industry leaders who had helped put Hitler in power. Hitler had promised them he would put down the trade union movement and Marxists, which he had done. However, now his own storm troopers with their talk of a 'second revolution' were sounding more and more like Marxists themselves. (The first revolution having been the Nazi seizure of power in early 1933.)

The History Place - World War II in Europe Timeline June 30 1934 - The Night of the Long Knives

Apparently you are not reading what I'm saying, or not understanding it, either one.

Hitler only cared about conquering and power. He knew history and feared a German uprising like the one Germany suffered during WW1. They therefore pushed socialism and the nanny state.

Socialism was just a tool to win the people over. He essentially sought to buy their consent so that they would overlook genocide and not turn on him because they were war weary.

Hitler was a murderer. Murderers murder. It matters little who it is. Just so long a they stand in their way they will slit their throat.

I look at China in much the same way. They adopted capitalistic methods to help empower themselves.

The reason socialism and socialist tendencies are so appealing to tyrants is that it restricts free trade. Restricting freedom is what they are all about. Having said that, they have no real love for anything or anyone, just power.

 

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Black Pastors Ask Smithsonian to Remove Bust of Planned Parenthood Founder
(CNSNews.com) – A group of black pastors sent a letter to the director of the Smithsonian Institution’s National Portrait Gallery asking that the bust of Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger be removed from the museum’s “Struggle for Justice” exhibit, citing her support for eugenics and the targeting of minorities by the nation’s largest abortion provider.

 

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Votto, all your Sanger lies have been debunked before. Nice propaganda attempts though. The socialists have trained you well in big lie techniques. Ignore all the refutations, and just keep repeating the big lie, over and over.

And no, PP is not in minority neighborhoods 80% of the time. That's a flat out lie. If it's not a lie, I'm sure you'll be able to back it up. Proceed. But you won't, because you just got caught lying. Again.

And can you explain why MLK, Bethune, DuBois and all the black leaders of the day were big Sanger backers? I can. You're a dishonest propagandist who is making crazy shit up. But go on, give us your explanation. It should be funny, in your pathetic race-baiting sort of way.

 

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Votto, all your Sanger lies have been debunked before. Nice propaganda attempts though. The socialists have trained you well in big lie techniques. Ignore all the refutations, and just keep repeating the big lie, over and over.

And no, PP is not in minority neighborhoods 80% of the time. That's a flat out lie. If it's not a lie, I'm sure you'll be able to back it up. Proceed. But you won't, because you just got caught lying. Again.

And can you explain why MLK, Bethune, DuBois and all the black leaders of the day were big Sanger backers? I can. You're a dishonest propagandist who is making crazy shit up. But go on, give us your explanation. It should be funny, in your pathetic race-baiting sort of way.

Oh dear, more lies to investigate.

“She [Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood] even presented at a Ku Klux Klan rally in 1926 in Silver Lake, N.J. She recounted this event in her autobiography: ‘I accepted an invitation to talk to the women’s branch of the Ku Klux Klan … I saw through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated crosses … I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak … In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered.’ (Margaret Sanger, ‘An Autobiography,’ Page 366).” — The Washington Times, “Margaret Sanger, racist eugenicist extraordinaire,” May 5, 2014, by Arina Grossu.


Here is a fuller version of that Sanger quote:

“Always to me any aroused group was a good group, and therefore I accepted an invitation to talk to the women’s branch of the Ku Klux Klan at Silver Lake, New Jersey, one of the weirdest experiences I had in lecturing. […] Never before had I looked into a sea of faces like these. I was sure that if I uttered one word, such as abortion, outside the usual vocabulary of these women they would go off into hysteria. And so my address that night had to be in the most elementary terms, as though I were trying to make children understand. In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered. The conversation went on and on, and when we were finally through it was too late to return to New York.” (Sanger, Chapter 29, “While the Doctors Consult”, p. 366.)

Author Grossu (Washington Times) continues:

“In a letter to Clarence Gable in 1939, Sanger wrote: ‘We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.’ (Margaret Sanger commenting on the ‘Negro Project’ in a letter to Gamble, Dec. 10, 1939).”

And then Grossu comments:

“79 percent of Planned Parenthood’s surgical abortion facilities are located within walking distance of black or Hispanic communities.”

Finally, Grossu writes:

“The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Abortion Surveillance report revealed that between 2007 and 2010, nearly 36 percent of all abortions in the United States were performed on black children, even though black Americans make up only 13 percent of our population.”

Margaret Sanger was a leader in the American eugenics movement. Some have argued that her comments about wanting to exterminate the black population were misconstrued: Sanger was actually saying she didn’t want people to get the wrong idea and think she was advocating genocide. On the other hand, Sanger wrote, in her famous 1912 essay, “What Every Girl Should Know”:

“In all fish and reptiles where there is no great brain development, there is also no conscious sexual control. The lower down in the scale of human development we go the less sexual control we find. It is said that the aboriginal Australian, the lowest known species of the human family, just a step higher than the chimpanzee in brain development, has so little sexual control that police authority alone prevents him from obtaining sexual satisfaction on the streets.”

Sanger also wrote this:

“Birth control is not contraception indiscriminately and thoughtlessly practiced. It means the release and cultivation of the better racial elements in our society, and the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extirpation of defective stocks—those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization.” (“Apostle of Birth Control Sees Cause Gaining Here”, The New York Times, 1923-04-08)

Here’s another quote from Sanger:

“…apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is already tainted…to apportion farm lands and homesteads for these segregated persons where they would be…for the period of their entire lives.” –– Margaret Sanger, Birth Control Review, “A Plan for Peace”, April 1932, Vol 26, Number 4

And if that is not clear enough, Sanger wrote this:

“The main objects of the Population Congress would be […] (f) to give certain dysgenic groups in our population their choice of segregation or sterilization.” (“A Plan for Peace”, April 1932, pp. 107-108, summarizing an address to the New History Society, New York City, 1932-01-17)

Here is another Sanger quote, from her 1920 book, Women and the New Race—Chapter 5, “The Wickedness of Creating Large Families”:

“The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it. The same factors which create the terrible infant mortality rate, and which swell the death rate of children between the ages of one and five, operate even more extensively to lower the health rate of the surviving members [in large families].”

Margaret Sanger was one of America’s leading proponents of eugenics. She favored sterilization and segregation, in order to prevent giving birth among those women she deemed unfit and defective.

Planned Parenthood, of course, chooses to downplay these aggressive views of its founder. The group also avoids mentioning that Sanger was strongly opposed to abortion, favoring the eugenicist birth-control methods I just mentioned.

 

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Votto, all your Sanger lies have been debunked before. Nice propaganda attempts though. The socialists have trained you well in big lie techniques. Ignore all the refutations, and just keep repeating the big lie, over and over.

And no, PP is not in minority neighborhoods 80% of the time. That's a flat out lie. If it's not a lie, I'm sure you'll be able to back it up. Proceed. But you won't, because you just got caught lying. Again.

And can you explain why MLK, Bethune, DuBois and all the black leaders of the day were big Sanger backers? I can. You're a dishonest propagandist who is making crazy shit up. But go on, give us your explanation. It should be funny, in your pathetic race-baiting sort of way.

So would you say that the Smithsonian should tell these Black pastors to go jump off a bridge cause they are liars?

 

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Those pastors would be the race hustlers that Sanger correctly warned about in the other Sanger quote you gave.

 

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what is the point of this thread?

slavery ended 150 years ago and no one is forcing anyone to conceive or abort

 

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what is the point of this thread?

slavery ended 150 years ago and no one is forcing anyone to conceive or abort

The purpose of this thread is to show that Magaret Sanger, the founder of PP, was preoccupied with eugenics and killing of inferior races through PP.

Looking at the number of abortions in regards to percentage of races, it appears Margaret was successful in killing off a great number of black babies.