CDZ Should prison guard unions be banned, to prevent the increase in for profit prisons?

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    It is not the prisons job, or the employees job to punish the offender. The incarcerated offenders punishment is being locked up and being forced to live under the rules of engagement of the unit he is in. The prisons job is to make sure they are safe during that time.
     
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    "The mentally ill belong in mental hospitals not prisons."

    Yes too many people with mental health issues including Schizophrenia are in prison, prison is the worst possible environment for them to be in.
     
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    All of that is long gone. It's going to take some socialism to bring it back.
     
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    Prisons have mental health professionals on staff and each offender is evaluated many times upon arrival. Officers are trained to watch for behavior that could be mental. In my time, we identified some that had to be sent to mental health units. Now here is the part you may find hard to swallow. On many of these reassignments due to mental health issues, the majority of these offenders were sent back because they were faking. Their "abhorrent" behavior, was, to put it mildly, because they were assholes. We had one that was sent off three times for cutting himself. Each time he was sent back because his self inflicted cuts were little more than abrasions. He made a lot of blood and smeared it everywhere. I myself pepper sprayed him twice for attempting to assault me while in restraints as did two LT's. He was just an asshole that wanted to be off this particular unit.

    You do have to take mental complaints seriously and they are. There were some legitimate complaints, but by far, they were all mostly acting out.
     
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    Why would it need Socialism? The only things that Socialism bring are complete misery and abject inequality.

    The latest example in a long list of examples of the disaster of Socialism is Venezuela.
     
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    No, I don't find it "hard to swallow" - I fully recognize people can fake it or just be assholes. But It's also true that jails, particularly county jails end up having to house a lot of mentally ill people that shouldn't be there.
     
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    Because there is nothing to profit from so the private industry does not want it.
     
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    "Prisons have mental health professionals on staff and each offender is evaluated many times upon arrival."

    I think the main problem is at the arrest stage, that's where people with mental health issues are slipping through the safety net.

    Those with severe mental health issues should not even be arriving at a prison in the first place, they should be immediately sent to a psychiatric hospital.
     
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    Well being against privatising prisons doesn't automatically mean pro-Socialism.

    A Socialist version of running the prison system would be a complete disaster.
     
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    I used to tease our MH lady all the time. She was extremely professional. And built like a brick house. 44 DD. It was very hard to get her goat, as she took her job Very seriously. In fact, I even used her to get to a few turds in seg that wouldn't come out of their cells for showers so I could search the cell.

    One day she came in and asked me what was going on. I said that I had some really cool stuff that I was going to do after work. She asked what, and i said I couldn't tell her what I was gonna do. She got a puzzled look on her face and asked my why I couldn't tell her? I said the voices in my head said they would kill a kitten if I told. LOL! She ignored me for a week!
     

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