Should insulting Muslims be outlawed?

[Coyote]

If people are outraged about something - what's wrong with peacefully protesting? It happens all the time and not just with Muslims. Christians were outraged at Disney World's "Gay Days" and protested, demanding it be ended. Do you think that is wrong?

Posting the video is free speech.

Protesting the video is free speech.

Peaceful protest inherently respects tolerance.

Fundamentalist Islam does not.

This conflict will continue until Islamic fundamentalism goes away.

The OP states that some Muslims are outraged and starting an online petition.

Sounds pretty peaceful. So why are folks seeking to deny them their right to free speech by peacefully protest something that offends them? Is the real intolerance in the OP?

 

[hazlnut]

If people are outraged about something - what's wrong with peacefully protesting? It happens all the time and not just with Muslims. Christians were outraged at Disney World's "Gay Days" and protested, demanding it be ended. Do you think that is wrong?

Posting the video is free speech.

Protesting the video is free speech.

Peaceful protest inherently respects tolerance.

Fundamentalist Islam does not.

This conflict will continue until Islamic fundamentalism goes away.

The OP states that some Muslims are outraged and starting an online petition.

Sounds pretty peaceful. So why are folks seeking to deny them their right to free speech by peacefully protest something that offends them? Where is the intolerance in an online petition?

Haven't your heard, according to an AZ tea party group, the first amendment only applies to Christians.

 

[MarcATL]

"Should insulting Muslims be outlawed?"

That would be a no, but do be careful where you do so you don't lose your head. Unlike the Christians, they still believe in what their Holy Book says.

What he said.

It's ludicrous to even talk about outlawing offending Muslims.

However, it should be greatly discouraged, both publicly and privately...it already is.

 

[Kondor3]

No.

Fuck 'em.

...no, insulting Muslims should not be allowed and we should fornicate with them?

No, the insulting of Muslims should NOT be OUTLAWED...a one-word response to the question posed by the OP.

The risque language in this case was the equivalent of saying 'To hell with them' - but more emphatically, and with more contempt than the original phrase would have conveyed. I'm sure it was understood well enough by most folks.

 

[Imperious]

Here is the thing, a majority of Muslims NEVER will realize that not everyone believes in their ideas. There are to many extremist and strict branches that string off Islam for these complaints to be stopped. I would say that over 20% of Muslims believe that anyone who doesn't follow Islam isn't human as a result. Try to think about that for a second. This is one of those religions that just generally showcases sheer arrogance.

 

[Seawytch]

Does no one else remember The Last Temptation of Christ?

Is that where they offered Christ a ham sandwich on the cross?

A lot of Jews protested it saying it would make people hate Jews.

Odd you don't recall this:

On October 22, 1988, a French Christian fundamentalist group launched Molotov cocktails inside the Parisian Saint Michel movie theater while it was showing the film. This attack injured thirteen people, four of whom were severely burned.[8][9] The Saint Michel theater was heavily damaged,[9] and reopened 3 years later after restoration. Following the attack, a representative of the film's distributor, United International Pictures, said, "The opponents of the film have largely won. They have massacred the film's success, and they have scared the public." Jack Lang, France's Minister of Culture, went to the St.-Michel theater after the fire, and said, "Freedom of speech is threatened, and we must not be intimidated by such acts."[9] The Archbishop of Paris, Jean-Marie Cardinal Lustiger, said "One doesn't have the right to shock the sensibilities of millions of people for whom Jesus is more important than their father or mother."[9] After the fire he condemned the attack, saying, "You don't behave as Christians but as enemies of Christ. From the Christian point of view, one doesn't defend Christ with arms. Christ himself forbade it."[9] The leader of Christian Solidarity, a Roman Catholic group that had promised to stop the film from being shown, said, "We will not hesitate to go to prison if it is necessary."[9]

The attack was subsequently blamed on a Christian fundamentalist group linked to Bernard Antony, a representative of the far-right National Front to the European Parliament in Strasbourg, and the excommunicated followers of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.[8] Lefebvre had been excommunicated from the Catholic Church on July 2, 1988. Similar attacks against theatres included graffiti, setting off tear-gas canisters and stink bombs, and assaulting filmgoers.[8] At least nine people believed to be members of the Catholic fundamentalist group were arrested.[8] Rene Remond, a historian, said of the Catholic far-right, "It is the toughest component of the National Front and it is motivated more by religion than by politics. It has a coherent political philosophy that has not changed for 200 years: it is the rejection of the revolution, of the republic and of modernism."[8]

[...] Although Last Temptation was released on VHS and Laserdisc, many video rental stores, including the then-dominant Blockbuster Video, declined to carry it for rental as a result of the film's controversial reception.[14] In 1997, the Criterion Collection issued a special edition of Last Temptation on Laserdisc, which Criterion re-issued on DVD in 2000 and on Blu-ray disc in Region A in March 2012.

Deja Vu, 1988: Protesters Throw Bombs Over Religious Film

 

[editec]

Let 'em rage.

That's what FREE SPEECH is for, after all.

 

[mudwhistle]

Is that where they offered Christ a ham sandwich on the cross?

A lot of Jews protested it saying it would make people hate Jews.

Odd you don't recall this:

On October 22, 1988, a French Christian fundamentalist group launched Molotov cocktails inside the Parisian Saint Michel movie theater while it was showing the film. This attack injured thirteen people, four of whom were severely burned.[8][9] The Saint Michel theater was heavily damaged,[9] and reopened 3 years later after restoration. Following the attack, a representative of the film's distributor, United International Pictures, said, "The opponents of the film have largely won. They have massacred the film's success, and they have scared the public." Jack Lang, France's Minister of Culture, went to the St.-Michel theater after the fire, and said, "Freedom of speech is threatened, and we must not be intimidated by such acts."[9] The Archbishop of Paris, Jean-Marie Cardinal Lustiger, said "One doesn't have the right to shock the sensibilities of millions of people for whom Jesus is more important than their father or mother."[9] After the fire he condemned the attack, saying, "You don't behave as Christians but as enemies of Christ. From the Christian point of view, one doesn't defend Christ with arms. Christ himself forbade it."[9] The leader of Christian Solidarity, a Roman Catholic group that had promised to stop the film from being shown, said, "We will not hesitate to go to prison if it is necessary."[9]

The attack was subsequently blamed on a Christian fundamentalist group linked to Bernard Antony, a representative of the far-right National Front to the European Parliament in Strasbourg, and the excommunicated followers of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.[8] Lefebvre had been excommunicated from the Catholic Church on July 2, 1988. Similar attacks against theatres included graffiti, setting off tear-gas canisters and stink bombs, and assaulting filmgoers.[8] At least nine people believed to be members of the Catholic fundamentalist group were arrested.[8] Rene Remond, a historian, said of the Catholic far-right, "It is the toughest component of the National Front and it is motivated more by religion than by politics. It has a coherent political philosophy that has not changed for 200 years: it is the rejection of the revolution, of the republic and of modernism."[8]

[...] Although Last Temptation was released on VHS and Laserdisc, many video rental stores, including the then-dominant Blockbuster Video, declined to carry it for rental as a result of the film's controversial reception.[14] In 1997, the Criterion Collection issued a special edition of Last Temptation on Laserdisc, which Criterion re-issued on DVD in 2000 and on Blu-ray disc in Region A in March 2012.

Deja Vu, 1988: Protesters Throw Bombs Over Religious Film

I'm more concerned about what's happening now, not decades ago.

Besides, Muslims would hang you in the streets for being gay. Why do you support them? I don't know of any Christians hanging homosexuals.

 

[Zoom-boing]

I thought this thread was about the vid that Youtube was ordered to take down.

A U.S. appeals court ordered YouTube on Wednesday to take down an anti-Muslim film that sparked violent riots in parts of the Middle East and death threats to the actors.

The decision by a divided three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco reinstated a lawsuit filed against YouTube by an actress who appeared briefly in the 2012 video that led to rioting and deaths because of its negative portrayal of the Prophet Muhammad.

YouTube resisted calls by President Barack Obama and other world leaders to take down the video, arguing that to do so amounted to unwarranted government censorship and would violate the Google-owned company's free speech protections. Besides, the company argued that the filmmakers and not the actors of "Innocence of Muslims" owned the copyright and only they could remove it from YouTube.

YouTube Ordered to Take Down Anti-Muslim Film - ABC News

 

[Kondor3]

Here is the thing, a majority of Muslims NEVER will realize that not everyone believes in their ideas. There are to many extremist and strict branches that string off Islam for these complaints to be stopped. I would say that over 20% of Muslims believe that anyone who doesn't follow Islam isn't human as a result. Try to think about that for a second. This is one of those religions that just generally showcases sheer arrogance.

That is why many perceive - rightly or wrongly - that Islam is ultimately incompatible with The West.

Incompatible with Western ideas and culture and philosophy and modes of governance and separation of Church and State.

Rather like trying to time-teleport the dogma-driven European church-secular mindset of the Dark Ages or Middle Ages into the light of the Modern Age, and hoping-against-hope that it can adapt.

Not a snowball's chance in Hell.

Personally, I agree with the 'incompatibility' theory... but that's just me.

 

[Zoom-boing]

So no one has a problem that the US ordered Youtube to take down a video that insults muslims?

 

[Kondor3]

You talking about that low-budget movie connected with the Islamist scum attack on the US Consulate compound in Benghazi, Libya; the movie that the bullshit artists on the Left were trying to pawn-off on the rest of us as the primary underlying cause of the attack?