Shooting at Florida yoga studio leaves 3 dead, including gunman, several injured

[Correll]

Errr, do we republicans need to start posting each and every time a murderer is a democrat?


This site is going to get pretty boring, real fast. And a lot of work for us republicans.

Only when its known. There is a huge problem with white mass male shooters. Most of our crime is home grown.

Most of you assume criminals are all democratic.

1. There is not a huge problem with white male shooters.

2. Most of us, do not assume all criminals are democratic.

3. What is your point with "most of our crime is home grown"?

It’s been pointed out before on this site many times that 3/4 of those dead from terrorist’s attacks in this country are from right wing white terrorists. Those are homegrown.

Liberals lie. It is what they do. No reason for you to be surprised by that.

 

[JoeB131]

thanks JoeB and they ain't Americans or America . My theory is that the gun deaths within the USA are an ACCEPTABLE Cost of having the FREEDOM to Own , Store , Posses and use guns for many different useful purposes . My point is simply that there is a cost to have the FREEDOM to own guns JoeB .

I agree, it is a cost. A cost that is too high and we are all sick of paying it for your fetish.

 

[JoeB131]

and they don't have American Style FREEDOM to own guns like Americans have JoeB .

I think it depends how you define "Freedom". If I'm having to walk past security guards, security doors and cops on every street because our crime is so out of control, we are hardly "free".

 

[JoeB131]

No, you are not 43 times more likely to die from your own gun, you have been shown over and over that the guy who did that study had to change the number to 2.7 when his research was shown to be fake, and even that 2.7 is based on biased data, focusing on criminals, and with no control groups....

Nope, he never said anything of the sort. Tell you what, show me video of Kellerman saying he got it wrong. Those exact fucking words. Not, "Well, if you take out the suicides, it's only 2.7"

Of the gun deaths in this country over 22,000 are suicides, 495 were accidental gun deaths in 2016, and in 2017 there were 10,982 gun murders, of which 70-80% of the victims were criminals, not normal people.....out of a country of over 320 million people.

Again, all of which is WAY too many. Most victims are regular folks... except for the ones who are preschoolers who get shot by a nut.

 

[JoeB131]

Just remember, according to 2TinyGuy, these are what he considers 'Hardened criminals" who it's okay if they were shot.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

these people are feckheads as they worry about being shot . I'm 70 , never been worried ever about being shot and where i am at everyone and his Mother has guns . Yeah , these worriers are feckheads

33,000 gun deaths a year... you should be more worried.

250,000 people a year die from medical mistakes. Why aren’t you concerned about that?

Also, more than 600,000 people die every year from heart disease (which is completely preventable btw.) If you genuinely care about people dying, why aren’t you concerned about that?

How do you know he isn't?

Sounds like deflection to me..

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Just remember, according to 2TinyGuy, these are what he considers 'Hardened criminals" who it's okay if they were shot.

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The guy is disgusting -- but their kind is dying out

 

[pismoe]

and they don't have American Style FREEDOM to own guns like Americans have JoeB .

I think it depends how you define "Freedom". If I'm having to walk past security guards, security doors and cops on every street because our crime is so out of control, we are hardly "free".

------------------------------------------------------ you'll be walking past them for the next couple hundred years and its simply due to security . terrorism and importation of foreign terrorists . You think its interesting now , well just wait until the police state kicks in for real . And you should know but in some Western foreign countries there are soldiers patrolling the streets with machine guns and their subjects were disarmed years and years ago . And i think that France is still under some form of Martial Law JoeB .

 

[2aguy]

and they don't have American Style FREEDOM to own guns like Americans have JoeB .

I think it depends how you define "Freedom". If I'm having to walk past security guards, security doors and cops on every street because our crime is so out of control, we are hardly "free".

as opposed to Britain where they are the most surveilled country in the World.....

Our crime isn't out of control.....the only dangerous places are tiny areas of our inner cities that have been controlled by the democrat party for decades....other than that, our country is safer than most places in Europe.

 

[2aguy]

No, you are not 43 times more likely to die from your own gun, you have been shown over and over that the guy who did that study had to change the number to 2.7 when his research was shown to be fake, and even that 2.7 is based on biased data, focusing on criminals, and with no control groups....

Nope, he never said anything of the sort. Tell you what, show me video of Kellerman saying he got it wrong. Those exact fucking words. Not, "Well, if you take out the suicides, it's only 2.7"

Of the gun deaths in this country over 22,000 are suicides, 495 were accidental gun deaths in 2016, and in 2017 there were 10,982 gun murders, of which 70-80% of the victims were criminals, not normal people.....out of a country of over 320 million people.

Again, all of which is WAY too many. Most victims are regular folks... except for the ones who are preschoolers who get shot by a nut.

Moron, I have shown you the study where he changed his number......

Here ...again...

The very first link is the study he did to correct his incorrect 43 number.....then, the following links explain how he refuses to actually do a proper study on guns in the home....you have seen this over and over...

NEJM - Error

After controlling for these characteristics, we found that keeping a gun in the home was strongly and independently associated with an increased risk of homicide (adjusted odds ratio, 2.7;

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Nine Myths Of Gun Control

Myth #6 "A homeowner is 43 times as likely to be killed or kill a family member as an intruder"

To suggest that science has proven that defending oneself or one's family with a gun is dangerous, gun prohibitionists repeat Dr. Kellermann's long discredited claim: "a gun owner is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder." [17] This fallacy , fabricated using tax dollars, is one of the most misused slogans of the anti-self-defense lobby.

The honest measure of the protective benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved, and the property protected not Kellermann's burglar or rapist body count.

Only 0.1% (1 in a thousand) of the defensive uses of guns results in the death of the predator. [3]

Any study, such as Kellermann' "43 times" fallacy, that only counts bodies will expectedly underestimate the benefits of gun a thousand fold.

Think for a minute. Would anyone suggest that the only measure of the benefit of law enforcement is the number of people killed by police? Of course not. The honest measure of the benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved by deaths and injuries averted, and the property protected. 65 lives protected by guns for every life lost to a gun. [2]

Kellermann recently downgraded his estimate to "2.7 times," [18] but he persisted in discredited methodology. He used a method that cannot distinguish between "cause" and "effect." His method would be like finding more diet drinks in the refrigerators of fat people and then concluding that diet drinks "cause" obesity.


Also, he studied groups with high rates of violent criminality, alcoholism, drug addiction, abject poverty, and domestic abuse .


From such a poor and violent study group he attempted to generalize his findings to normal homes

Interestingly, when Dr. Kellermann was interviewed he stated that, if his wife were attacked, he would want her to have a gun for protection.[19] Apparently, Dr. Kellermann doesn't even believe his own studies.


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Public Health and Gun Control: A Review



Since at least the mid-1980s, Dr. Kellermann (and associates), whose work had been heavily-funded by the CDC, published a series of studies purporting to show that persons who keep guns in the home are more likely to be victims of homicide than those who don¹t.

In a 1986 NEJM paper, Dr. Kellermann and associates, for example, claimed their "scientific research" proved that defending oneself or one¹s family with a firearm in the home is dangerous and counter productive, claiming "a gun owner is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder."8

In a critical review and now classic article published in the March 1994 issue of the Journal of the Medical Association of Georgia (JMAG), Dr. Edgar Suter, Chairman of Doctors for Integrity in Policy Research (DIPR), found evidence of "methodologic and conceptual errors," such as prejudicially truncated data and the listing of "the correct methodology which was described but never used by the authors."5

Moreover, the gun control researchers failed to consider and underestimated the protective benefits of guns.

Dr. Suter writes: "The true measure of the protective benefits of guns are the lives and medical costs saved, the injuries prevented, and the property protected ‹ not the burglar or rapist body count.

Since only 0.1 - 0.2 percent of defensive uses of guns involve the death of the criminal, any study, such as this, that counts criminal deaths as the only measure of the protective benefits of guns will expectedly underestimate the benefits of firearms by a factor of 500 to 1,000."5

In 1993, in his landmark and much cited NEJM article (and the research, again, heavily funded by the CDC), Dr. Kellermann attempted to show again that guns in the home are a greater risk to the victims than to the assailants.4 Despite valid criticisms by reputable scholars of his previous works (including the 1986 study), Dr. Kellermann ignored the criticisms and again used the same methodology.

He also used study populations with disproportionately high rates of serious psychosocial dysfunction from three selected state counties, known to be unrepresentative of the general U.S. population.

For example,

53 percent of the case subjects had a history of a household member being arrested,

31 percent had a household history of illicit drug use, 32 percent had a household member hit or hurt in a family fight, and

17 percent had a family member hurt so seriously in a domestic altercation that prompt medical attention was required.
Moreover, both the case studies and control groups in this analysis had a very high incidence of financial instability.

In fact, in this study, gun ownership, the supposedly high risk factor for homicide was not one of the most strongly associated factors for being murdered.

Drinking, illicit drugs, living alone, history of family violence, living in a rented home were all greater individual risk factors for being murdered than a gun in the home. One must conclude there is no basis to apply the conclusions of this study to the general population.

All of these are factors that, as Dr. Suter pointed out, "would expectedly be associated with higher rates of violence and homicide."5

It goes without saying, the results of such a study on gun homicides, selecting this sort of unrepresentative population sample, nullify the authors' generalizations, and their preordained, conclusions can not be extrapolated to the general population.

Moreover, although the 1993 New England Journal of Medicine study purported to show that the homicide victims were killed with a gun ordinarily kept in the home, the fact is that as Kates and associates point out 71.1 percent of the victims were killed by assailants who did not live in the victims¹ household using guns presumably not kept in that home.6

 

[2aguy]

No, you are not 43 times more likely to die from your own gun, you have been shown over and over that the guy who did that study had to change the number to 2.7 when his research was shown to be fake, and even that 2.7 is based on biased data, focusing on criminals, and with no control groups....

Nope, he never said anything of the sort. Tell you what, show me video of Kellerman saying he got it wrong. Those exact fucking words. Not, "Well, if you take out the suicides, it's only 2.7"

Of the gun deaths in this country over 22,000 are suicides, 495 were accidental gun deaths in 2016, and in 2017 there were 10,982 gun murders, of which 70-80% of the victims were criminals, not normal people.....out of a country of over 320 million people.

Again, all of which is WAY too many. Most victims are regular folks... except for the ones who are preschoolers who get shot by a nut.

No, most victims are not "regular folks." That is something you keep pulling out of your ass that has no basis in facts or reality. 70-80% of gun murder victims are criminals, of the remaining victims you have a large number of friends and family caught in the crossfire of criminals shooting each other.

If you aren't a criminal, living in a democrat party controlled area, you are as safe as living in Europe...but you can defend yourself with a gun and stop criminals from raping, robbing and murdering you...unlike Britain or Europe...

 

[2aguy]

Just remember, according to 2TinyGuy, these are what he considers 'Hardened criminals" who it's okay if they were shot.

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And now for the truth......just some of the research into gun murder victims...

2017 homicide data provide insight into Baltimore's gun wars, police say



About 86 percent of the victims and 85 percent of the 118 suspects identified by police had prior criminal records. And about 46 percent of victims and 44 percent of suspects had previously been arrested for gun crimes, the data show.
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The average homicide victim in Baltimore in 2017 had 11 previous arrests on his record. About 73 percent had drug arrests, and nearly 50 percent had been arrested for a violent crime. About 30 percent were on parole or probation at the time they were killed, and more than 6 percent were on parole or probation for a gun crime.

Twenty percent of the victims were known members of a gang or drug crew, according to the data.

The average homicide suspect, meanwhile, had 9 previous arrests on his record. About 70 percent had drug arrests, and nearly half had been arrested for a violent crime. Nearly 36 percent were on parole or probation, and 6 percent were on parole or probation for a gun crime, the data show.

Eighteen percent of the suspects were known members of a gang or drug crew, according to the data.

Police did not know the motive behind nearly half of the killings, but at least 20 were related to retaliation, according to the data.


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Chicago..


Actual report on shootings in chicago...http://urbanlabs.uchicago.edu/attac...cagoCrimeLab+Gun+Violence+in+Chicago+2016.pdf


1/19/17 Shooters in Chicago criminal record research from U of C






Nearly 40 percent of victims had more than 10 prior arrests, while the share with more than 20 prior arrests rose from 14 to 18 percent in 2016.

The share of victims with a current or prior gang affiliation as recorded by CPD was about the same in both years (53 and 54 percent).

And now the shooters . . .

Individuals arrested for a homicide or shooting in Chicago in 2016 and 2015 had similar prior criminal records: around 90 percent had at least one prior arrest, approximately 50 percent had a prior arrest for a violent crime specifically, and almost 40 percent had a prior gun arrest.



The average person arrested for a homicide or shooting in both years had nearly 12 prior arrests, with almost 45 percent having had more than 10 prior arrests, and almost 20 percent having had more than 20 prior arrests.

Why is anyone in Chicago (or elsewhere) talking about gun control? Clearly, Chicago’s revolving door justice system is a failure that allows dangerous killers to roam the city streets.
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12/27/16 Gang shootings in Chicago over christmas..90% gang affiliated


Gang Killers In Chicago Used Christmas Gatherings To Target Their Victims

Gang killers, knowing their targets would be home for Christmas, launched a bloody weekend of shootings in Chicago that left 11 dead and another 37 wounded.

"We now know that the majority of these shootings and homicides were targeted attacks by gangs against potential rivals who were at holiday gatherings. This was followed by several acts of retaliatory gun violence," police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said in a statement Monday.

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The violence primarily occurred in areas with historical gang conflicts on the South and West Side of Chicago."


And this is what we keep telling you anti gunners and you refuse to believe it....

"Ninety percent of those fatally wounded had gang affiliations, criminal histories and were pre-identified by the department's strategic subject algorithm as being a potential suspect or victim of gun violence," Guglielmi said.
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12/3/16


5/10/16 Chicago gun murder victims...criminals...


Chicago police boss calls weekend gun violence 'completely unacceptable'

At an unrelated news conference Monday on the city's Southwest Side, Johnson brought up the Mother's Day weekend violence himself in his prepared remarks. He focused his remarks on how much of the bloodshed is being driven by about 1,300 individuals on the Police Department's "strategic subject list" — those believed to be most prone to violence as a victim or offender.

About 78 percent of the homicide victims and about 84 percent of the nonfatal shooting victims this weekend were on the list, he said.

"That means essentially we know who they are," he told reporters at 50th Street and South Karlov Avenue, where a Chicago police officer fatally shot a bank robbery suspect on Monday. "Oftentimes, they have gang affiliations, and many have had previous arrests and convictions."
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He then ticked off nearly 10 examples of how many arrests these victims had on their records, ranging from 20 each all the way up to 41.




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5/1/16


As Gun-Related Deaths Increase, Prior Criminal Records Is Common Link Among Shooters, Victims | Wisconsin Public Radio

Almost two-thirds of the fatal shootings in the state have taken place in Milwaukee. The others are scattered around 15 different cities and towns. In almost all cases, however, both victims and alleged perpetrators have criminal records.

Mallory O'Brien, of the Milwaukee Homicide Review Commission, tracks those numbers for the city of Milwaukee.

"(About) 94 percent of our victims have an arrest history and 93 percent of our suspects have an arrest history," O'Brien said.

O'Brien said the same percentage is true for non-fatal shooting incidents. There's been an increase in those numbers as well. By the end of June of last year, there were 204 cases and the count at the six-month mark this year, there have been 248 incidents -- a 21-percent increase. She said there' also been an increase in the number of shooting incidents with multiple victims.

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4/28/16

breakdown of the 90% of murderers have records..really good...

The Criminology of Firearms

In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.

While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."

Throughout this essay I highlight dramatic recantations by criminologists who previously endorsed stringent gun control. For example, Professor David Mustard has stated in an article [PDF] for the University of Pennsylvania Law Review:

When I started my research on guns [at the University of Chicago] in 1995, I passionately disliked firearms and fully accepted the conventional wisdom that increasing the gun-ownership rate would necessarily raise violent crime and accidental deaths. My views on this subject were formed primarily by media accounts of firearms, which unknowingly to me systematically emphasized the costs of firearms while virtually ignoring their benefits. I thought it obvious that passing laws that permitted law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons would create many problems. It is now over six years since I became convinced otherwise and concluded that shall issue laws — laws that require [gun carry permits] to be granted unless the applicant has a criminal record or a history of significant mental illness — reduce violent crime and have no impact on accidental deaths.Actual research results — as opposed to unsupported opinions — pose a question embarrassed gun prohibitionists invariably try to evade: why ban guns to ordinary owners, i.e., people who never commit gun crimes? (This query does not at all impugn our laws against previously convicted felons having guns).



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Zimring has nevertheless remained a firm advocate of gun bans. But actual research has produced an unbroken record of recantations by criminologists who once agreed with Zimring. In the late 1970's the US Department of Justice (DOJ) funded and tasked the University of Massachusetts' Social and Demographic Research Institute to review and evaluate the entire extant literature on gun control in the US and elsewhere. The Institute's resulting report observed: "It is commonly hypothesized that much criminal violence, especially homicide, occurs simply because the means of lethal violence (firearms) are readily at hand, and, thus, that much homicide would not occur were firearms generally less available. There is no persuasive evidence that supports this view." (emphasis added)


That evaluation's authors — Professors James Wright, Peter Rossi and Kathleen Daly — subsequently published a commercial version of their report to which they added their personal recantation:

The progressive's indictment of American firearms policy is well known and is one that both the senior authors of this study once shared. This indictment includes the following particulars: (1) Guns are involved in an astonishing number of crimes in this country. (2) In other countries with stricter firearms laws and fewer guns in private hands, gun crime is rare ... (4) Many families acquire a gun because they feel the need to protect themselves; eventually, they end up shooting one another. (5) If there were fewer guns around, there would obviously be less crime ... The more deeply we explored the empirical implications of this indictment, the less plausible it has become. (emphasis, parentheses added)
3/23/16

David Kennedy...

Roy Exum: How We Stop The Bullets

David Kennedy, a renowned criminal justice professor and co-chair of the National Network for Safe Communities, believes that places like the 1500 block of East 50th Street where Deontrey was killed, or Central Avenue where two other Chattanoogans were shot around the same time, aren’t necessarily bad areas. Good people live in those areas, just as the overwhelming numbers of those who live in our inner city are decent and law-abiding citizens.
No, our new focus isn’t on neighborhoods like Alton Park or East Chattanooga but instead on “hot” places” and “hot” people. In an article entitled, “The Story Behind the Nation’s Falling Body Count,” Kennedy writes, “Research on hot spots shows violence to be concentrated in ‘micro’ places, rather than ‘dangerous neighborhoods,’ as the popular idea goes. Blocks, corners, and buildings representing just five or six percent of an entire city will drive half of its serious crime.”


The same is true about people. “We now know that homicide and gun violence are overwhelmingly concentrated among serious offenders operating in groups: gangs, drug crews, and the like representing under half of one percent of a city's population who commit half to three-quarters of all murders.”
Read it once more: “ … under half of one percent … commit half to three-quarters of all murders.”


It is vitally important for us to realize the recent “worst of the worst” roundup had very little to do with race, yet to the uninformed it clearly appeared that only blacks were targeted.
Try to forget that all were black and focus instead on the far greater fact – there is ample evidence that each is alleged to be a serious criminal.
Kennedy writes, “We also know some reliable predictors of risk: individuals who have a history of violence or a close connection with prior victims are far more likely to be involved in violence themselves.


Hot groups and people are so hot that when their offending is statistically abstracted, their neighborhoods cease to be dangerous. Their communities aren't dangerous; (these criminals) are.”

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part 2 of a review of gun control issues.....includes who actually commits murder...great info.....

Public Health and Gun Control --- A Review (Part II: Gun Violence and Constitutional Issues) | Hacienda Publishing

Another favorite view of the gun control, public health establishment is the myth propounded by Dr. Mark Rosenberg, former head of the NCIPC of the CDC, who has written: "Most of the perpetrators of violence are not criminals by trade or profession. Indeed, in the area of domestic violence, most of the perpetrators are never accused of any crime. The victims and perpetrators are ourselves --- ordinary citizens, students, professionals, and even public health workers."(6)

That statement is contradicted by available data, government data. The fact is that the typical murderer has had a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests in his record before he finally commits murder.


(17) The FBI statistics reveal that 75 percent of all violent crimes for any locality are committed by six percent of hardened criminals and repeat offenders.(18)


Less than 2 percent of crimes committed with firearms are carried out by licensed (e.g., concealed carry permit holders) law-abiding citizens.(11)

Violent crimes continue to be a problem in the inner cities with gangs involved in the drug trade. Crimes in rural areas for both blacks and whites, despite the preponderance of guns in this setting, remain low.(11,19)



Gun availability does not cause crime. Prohibitionist government policies and gun control (rather than crime control) exacerbates the problem by making it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves, their families, and their property. In fact, there was a modest increase in both homicide and suicide after prohibition and passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968.(20)





85 percent of shooting suspects and victims in Milwaukee have

Non-fatal shootings:

In non-fatal shootings in 2011, 97 percent of the 177 suspects and 86 percent of the 473 victims had at least one prior arrest. The report doesn’t say how many.

However, O’Brien said a closer analysis of non-fatal shootings during a six-week period in July and August 2011, when non-fatal shootings increased, found that suspects had an average of 7.5 prior arrests and victims had an average of about six.

O’Brien said that based on her past studies, she would expect that the rest of the suspects and victims in the non-fatal shootings in 2011 had a similar number of prior arrests.

So, more than 85 percent of the people involved in non-fatal shootings had at least one prior arrest. And there’s a strong indication, though not complete numbers, that most people involved in the non-fatal shootings had at least several prior arrests.

 

[JoeB131]

you'll be walking past them for the next couple hundred years and its simply due to security . terrorism and importation of foreign terrorists . You think its interesting now , well just wait until the police state kicks in for real . And you should know but in some Western foreign countries there are soldiers patrolling the streets with machine guns and their subjects were disarmed years and years ago . And i think that France is still under some form of Martial Law JoeB .

Dude, I doubt you even have a passport, so you probably think France is Mordor...

And, no, the main reason why most companies and much of the country is an armed camp is not because they are afraid of "Terrorists", they are afraid that Bob down in shipping who got downsized last week isn't going to come back and look for the HR Manager with his "Compensator"

 

[JoeB131]

And now for the truth......just some of the research into gun murder victims...

Except he did no such thing. He just specified that HOMICIDES were 2.7 of them compared to 39 suicides to get to his number.

Suicides are still a bad thing.

Some other clips.

"Virtually all of this risk involved homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance."

Yup, it's not the scary crook you have to worry about, it's the person you live with.

Rather than confer protection, guns kept in the home are associated with an increase in the risk of homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance.

So in conclusion, Kellerman never, ever said his initial study, the one that got the National Rampage Association SOOOOOO upset they marched right down to Congress and told them never, ever to study this ever again, was wrong.

Done, buddy.

 

[JoeB131]

No, most victims are not "regular folks." That is something you keep pulling out of your ass that has no basis in facts or reality. 70-80% of gun murder victims are criminals, of the remaining victims you have a large number of friends and family caught in the crossfire of criminals shooting each other.

And if I lived in a safe room with armed guards, I'd be a lot safer, what the fuck is your point.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Another mass shooting last night in California. 12 dead plus the combatant. Crazy.

 

[JoeB131]

Another mass shooting last night in California. 12 dead plus the combatant. Crazy.

And three things will happen

1) We'll find out Everyone in his life knew he was crazy.
2) He was able to legally get a gun with very little trouble.
3) 2TinyGuy will be back here flooding the board with his NRA Spooge

 

[pismoe]

you'll be walking past them for the next couple hundred years and its simply due to security . terrorism and importation of foreign terrorists . You think its interesting now , well just wait until the police state kicks in for real . And you should know but in some Western foreign countries there are soldiers patrolling the streets with machine guns and their subjects were disarmed years and years ago . And i think that France is still under some form of Martial Law JoeB .

Dude, I doubt you even have a passport, so you probably think France is Mordor...

And, no, the main reason why most companies and much of the country is an armed camp is not because they are afraid of "Terrorists", they are afraid that Bob down in shipping who got downsized last week isn't going to come back and look for the HR Manager with his "Compensator"

------------------------------------- course i have a PASSPORT as i understand its a good piece of ID , might even be the ultimate ID . Plus i don't care what private business does to protect itself as thats their business . As i said , police and soldiers in western foreign countries patrol the street and i think that France is one of them and i think that they still have some kind of martial law because of an imported muslim done massacre done a year or so ago JoeB .

 

[2aguy]

Another mass shooting last night in California. 12 dead plus the combatant. Crazy.

And three things will happen

1) We'll find out Everyone in his life knew he was crazy.
2) He was able to legally get a gun with very little trouble.
3) 2TinyGuy will be back here flooding the board with his NRA Spooge

Tell us how the CDC, the FBI, are spelled NRA.......

 

[JoeB131]

course i have a PASSPORT as i understand its a good piece of ID , might even be the ultimate ID . Plus i don't care what private business does to protect itself as thats their business . As i said , police and soldiers in western foreign countries patrol the street and i think that France is one of them and i think that they still have some kind of martial law because of an imported muslim done massacre done a year or so ago JoeB .

So essentially, what you think France is like isn't what France is actually like. Got it. You don't really know.

And, yeah, I do worry about the fact that we have cameras, prisons, check points, etc. because we live in a defacto security state because too many nuts with guns might shoot something up... not that it does much good, yesterday's incident had a cop and a security guard among the dead.