Seniors Go Ahead and Die already!!

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    SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION.
    6 (a) MEDICARE.—
    7 (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 1861 of the Social
    8 Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x) is amended—
    9 (A) in subsection (s)(2)—
    10 (i) by striking ‘‘and’’ at the end of
    11 subparagraph (DD);
    12 (ii) by adding ‘‘and’’ at the end of
    13 subparagraph (EE); and
    14 (iii) by adding at the end the fol15
    lowing new subparagraph:
    16 ‘‘(FF) advance care planning consultation (as
    17 defined in subsection (hhh)(1));’’; and
    18 (B) by adding at the end the following new
    19 subsection:
    20 ‘‘Advance Care Planning Consultation
    21 ‘‘(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the
    22 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con
    23sultation between the individual and a practitioner de
    24scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning,
    25 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has

    1 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such
    2 consultation shall include the following:
    3 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad4
    vance care planning, including key questions and
    5 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo6
    ple to talk to.
    7 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad8
    vance directives, including living wills and durable
    9 powers of attorney, and their uses.
    10 ‘‘(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the
    11 role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
    12 ‘‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list
    13 of national and State-specific resources to assist con
    14sumers and their families with advance care plan
    15ning, including the national toll-free hotline, the ad
    16vance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal
    17 service organizations (including those funded
    18 through the Older Americans Act of 1965).
    19 ‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
    20 continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail
    21able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene
    22 fits for such services and supports that are available
    23 under this title.
    http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf

    This section of the House bill deals with Advance planning and basically says to Seniors that rather than provide medical care , under the bill those under Medicare are entitled to consultation and other services. , basically just go ahead and die!! It's this sort of thing that is buried deep in the bill that people in their zeal for personal comfort would willingly hand over to the Govt.
     
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    Interesting intreptation of it.

    I thought it was saying that one should encourage people to have advance care planning (one presumes one might want to do that just in case you end up a vegetable).

    I didn't see the "go ahead and die" part.

    Would you kind enough to point out what you read there that you're interpeting as meaning "go ahead and die", please?

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    No, it says that Medicare will reimburse a provider if they have an advanced care consultation with their client (and sets out the guidelines of what constitutes said consultation). There is no obligation for the provider to do so, it's not mandatory, and Medicare will not pay for this more often than once every 5 years (except in certain circumstances).

    Much ado about nothing.
     
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    The propaganda mills have been working hot and heavy on this one.
     
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    but how will we leave the old people on ice floes to die alone when global warming is melting them faster than people are aging?

    Now i know why Obama is so hot to stop climate change.
     
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    On page 425 it says in black and white that by amending the SSA Act, there is a requirement for advance planning directive counseling every 5 years. These sessions which while on the surface may appear harmless in nature they single out Seniors and make no such requirement of everyone else that is on the so called "public option" Thus the reason the message is quite clear, by cutting Medicare which we all know that is mostly a vehicle used for Seniors and taking that in conjunction with this section of the House bill its very clear what the intentions are and thats to offer advice through counsolers on the best ways to end your life rather to offer the best ways to provide care which is more of a money saving feature rather than a healthcare issue. So you wanted to know there you have it. While others may see this as some innocent and well meaning passage that just offers services to Seniors, it clearly does not and by amending the SSA it does as my orginal statment says. In fact in order for the bill to become law it has within it so many instances where existing laws are amended that its unlikely that a public option will ever withstand a constitutional challenge.
     
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    Yep.
     
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    To the Conspiracy Theories this thread should go.
     
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    These sessions which while on the surface may appear harmless in nature they single out Seniors and make no such requirement of everyone else that is on the so called "public option" Thus the reason the message is quite clear, by cutting Medicare which we all know that is mostly a vehicle used for Seniors and taking that in conjunction with this section of the House bill its very clear what the intentions are and thats to offer advice through counsolers on the best ways to end your life rather to offer the best ways to provide care which is more of a money saving feature rather than a healthcare issue.

    Exactly. It's about getting seniors in there so they can be bullied into opting out of life.
     
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    No it doesn't. The only thing required is that Medicare pay for it if billed by the provider, and they won't do that but once every 5 years. The doc can discuss this with their patient every week if they want to... but they aren't going to get paid for the consultation but every 5 years.
     

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