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damn right when i start getting my senior discount..this comes along
do you want to live forever...some chick in some really bad conan movie...i am sure one of the guys knows
This section of the House bill deals with Advance planning and basically says to Seniors that rather than provide medical care , under the bill those under Medicare are entitled to consultation and other services. , basically just go ahead and die!! It's this sort of thing that is buried deep in the bill that people in their zeal for personal comfort would willingly hand over to the Govt.
Actually, it does not say this at all.
It is a clause that encourages seniors to take their head out of the sand, and have a conversation with their doctor about end of life issues.
It might surprise you, but we all are going to die someday. And some people don't want to be stuffed with tubes and attached to machines when that time comes.
*laughs* you social engineers make me laugh sometimes really and I find your debates if anything entertaining. However, the epic fail part because the head of some National Hospice group says its not what it is? Well I guess you told me huh? If you had bothered to read the whole thing Robert you would have seen that its about amending the SSA to make those requirements and thus leading Seniors into those sessions rather than letting them make whatever decisions they want to make on their own. At the risk of not repeating myself for all you who have no clue on the constitution, I will simply point you to the page in the legislation where the language is contained. If you choose to see that as an innocent then by all means be my guest.
Well I guess you told me huh?
Sec. 1861. [42 U.S.C. 1395x] For purposes of this title—
Spell of Illness
(a) The term “spell of illness” with respect to any individual means a period of consecutive days—
(1) beginning with the first day (not included in a previous spell of illness) (A) on which such individual is furnished inpatient hospital services, inpatient critical access hospital services or extended care services, and (B) which occurs in a month for which he is entitled to benefits under part A, and
(2) ending with the close of the first period of 60 consecutive days thereafter on each of which he is neither an inpatient of a hospital or critical access hospital nor an inpatient of a facility described in section 1819(a)(1) or subsection (y)(1).
Social Security Act §1861
thank you very much!This section of the House bill deals with Advance planning and basically says to Seniors that rather than provide medical care , under the bill those under Medicare are entitled to consultation and other services. , basically just go ahead and die!! It's this sort of thing that is buried deep in the bill that people in their zeal for personal comfort would willingly hand over to the Govt.
Actually, it does not say this at all.
It is a clause that encourages seniors to take their head out of the sand, and have a conversation with their doctor about end of life issues.
It might surprise you, but we all are going to die someday. And some people don't want to be stuffed with tubes and attached to machines when that time comes.
This section of the House bill deals with Advance planning and basically says to Seniors that rather than provide medical care , under the bill those under Medicare are entitled to consultation and other services. , basically just go ahead and die!! It's this sort of thing that is buried deep in the bill that people in their zeal for personal comfort would willingly hand over to the Govt.
Actually, it does not say this at all.
It is a clause that encourages seniors to take their head out of the sand, and have a conversation with their doctor about end of life issues.
It might surprise you, but we all are going to die someday. And some people don't want to be stuffed with tubes and attached to machines when that time comes.
It depends on how one looks at it, and while I'm not one to see Govt. intrusions and class seperations as showhow encouraging Seniors to do much of anything I do see the need for end of life planning but as a family matter and NOT a Govt. matter.
I completely agree that some people wish to die with diginity and as such should have available to them the resources to do so, however that is an individual issue and not an issue that the Govt. should have anything remotly to do with. While some may see this differently than I then so be it. I tend to think that this sort of legislation scares many Seniors into accepting their fate when they might have other avenues availble to them. Let me give you and example, My own father had cancer and was told by one Doctor that he had 6 months to live , now had he been subject to such a bill he would have of course been subject to some well meaning person that wanted to tell him how to die with diginity. However in hiw own stubborn way my father would not accept that as good enough and finally found a Doctor that would take him and as of today he is 92 and cancer free. So not everyone fits into a box or a balance sheet somewhere. I'd even submit that if these hospice organizations need funding then they should seek that out through the various states in which they reside and not amend the SSA under national healthcare reform in order to get that funding.
people also don't understand that there are different levels of DNR, one could want limited life saving care but still be DNR.Some people fail to understand that advance care planning doesn't necessarily equate to making a person a DNR. An advance directive can also instruct providers to perform life-sustaining measures, or specific treatments and procedures (such as tube feedings, for example). It doesn't have to include a 'living will' portion at all. That's why it's called a directive.
Some people fail to understand that advance care planning doesn't necessarily equate to making a person a DNR. An advance directive can also instruct providers to perform life-sustaining measures, or specific treatments and procedures (such as tube feedings, for example). It doesn't have to include a 'living will' portion at all. That's why it's called a directive.
Some people fail to understand that advance care planning doesn't necessarily equate to making a person a DNR. An advance directive can also instruct providers to perform life-sustaining measures, or specific treatments and procedures (such as tube feedings, for example). It doesn't have to include a 'living will' portion at all. That's why it's called a directive.
Exactly.
Because the default is for medical personnel do to absolutely everything.
Which sometimes works against the will of God, as He attempts to bring the patient up to Heaven to be seated at his right hand.
I don't like fucking with God's will.
people also don't understand that there are different levels of DNR, one could want limited life saving care but still be DNR.Some people fail to understand that advance care planning doesn't necessarily equate to making a person a DNR. An advance directive can also instruct providers to perform life-sustaining measures, or specific treatments and procedures (such as tube feedings, for example). It doesn't have to include a 'living will' portion at all. That's why it's called a directive.
I think better planning for end of life care is very important right now with baby boomers already starting to develope different forms of dementia. Their families need to be better informed of what will happen near the end along with the people who have the disease. Here is one article that talks about the cost and the people who are taking care of family members with the disease unpaid probably do to the high cost of taking care of someone with dementia.
18% of all boomers expected to develop Alzheimer's - USATODAY.com
isn't that what I said in the first sentence?people also don't understand that there are different levels of DNR, one could want limited life saving care but still be DNR.Some people fail to understand that advance care planning doesn't necessarily equate to making a person a DNR. An advance directive can also instruct providers to perform life-sustaining measures, or specific treatments and procedures (such as tube feedings, for example). It doesn't have to include a 'living will' portion at all. That's why it's called a directive.
I think better planning for end of life care is very important right now with baby boomers already starting to develope different forms of dementia. Their families need to be better informed of what will happen near the end along with the people who have the disease. Here is one article that talks about the cost and the people who are taking care of family members with the disease unpaid probably do to the high cost of taking care of someone with dementia.
18% of all boomers expected to develop Alzheimer's - USATODAY.com
Do not resuscitate does not mean do not treat.
Some people fail to understand that advance care planning doesn't necessarily equate to making a person a DNR. An advance directive can also instruct providers to perform life-sustaining measures, or specific treatments and procedures (such as tube feedings, for example). It doesn't have to include a 'living will' portion at all. That's why it's called a directive.
Exactly.
Because the default is for medical personnel do to absolutely everything.
Which sometimes works against the will of God, as He attempts to bring the patient up to Heaven to be seated at his right hand.
I don't like fucking with God's will.
Codes are horrible, almost violent in a way. Nothing of course like portrayed on TV, another pet peeve. They aren't crazy and disorderly but methodical and relatively quiet. (that's not dramatic enough, I suppose... and don't get me started on them shocking asystole...)
Just curious, what do you think of the trend of allowing families to view the code in progress?
but how will we leave the old people on ice floes to die alone when global warming is melting them faster than people are aging?
Now i know why Obama is so hot to stop climate change.
Exactly.
Because the default is for medical personnel do to absolutely everything.
Which sometimes works against the will of God, as He attempts to bring the patient up to Heaven to be seated at his right hand.
I don't like fucking with God's will.
Codes are horrible, almost violent in a way. Nothing of course like portrayed on TV, another pet peeve. They aren't crazy and disorderly but methodical and relatively quiet. (that's not dramatic enough, I suppose... and don't get me started on them shocking asystole...)
Just curious, what do you think of the trend of allowing families to view the code in progress?
I once coded a woman in her thirties with metastatic breast cancer that had spread throughout her body. Because she was young, the meds we were giving her were kick starting her heart and it would beat for a while until the med wore off, then the code would start again.
During the intubation, the vomited and the vomit ran down over her face and into her eyes, which were open (she was unconscious this entire time).
After coding her about 5 times through the night, the family had finally decided to stop the coding and let her go (the metastatic breast cancer was terminal - she had no chance of cure).
When everything was done, and we were cleaning her up, I looked at her eye that was still open...
The acidic vomit from the intubation had eaten a hole right into her eyeball.
