Seniors Go Ahead and Die already!!

SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION.
6 (a) MEDICARE.—
7 (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 1861 of the Social
8 Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x) is amended—
9 (A) in subsection (s)(2)—
10 (i) by striking ‘‘and’’ at the end of
11 subparagraph (DD);
12 (ii) by adding ‘‘and’’ at the end of
13 subparagraph (EE); and
14 (iii) by adding at the end the fol15
lowing new subparagraph:
16 ‘‘(FF) advance care planning consultation (as
17 defined in subsection (hhh)(1));’’; and
18 (B) by adding at the end the following new
19 subsection:
20 ‘‘Advance Care Planning Consultation
21 ‘‘(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the
22 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con
23sultation between the individual and a practitioner de
24scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning,
25 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has

1 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such
2 consultation shall include the following:
3 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad4
vance care planning, including key questions and
5 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo6
ple to talk to.
7 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad8
vance directives, including living wills and durable
9 powers of attorney, and their uses.
10 ‘‘(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the
11 role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
12 ‘‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list
13 of national and State-specific resources to assist con
14sumers and their families with advance care plan
15ning, including the national toll-free hotline, the ad
16vance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal
17 service organizations (including those funded
18 through the Older Americans Act of 1965).
19 ‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
20 continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail
21able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene
22 fits for such services and supports that are available
23 under this title.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf

This section of the House bill deals with Advance planning and basically says to Seniors that rather than provide medical care , under the bill those under Medicare are entitled to consultation and other services. , basically just go ahead and die!! It's this sort of thing that is buried deep in the bill that people in their zeal for personal comfort would willingly hand over to the Govt.

I'm afraid that you've been duped. Encouraging living wills, which our government has done for two decades isn't tantamount to telling seniors to die. It's a way of telling them to make sure their WISHES in terms of their medical treatment are followed.

I always advised my clients to have living wills...

And spreading that type of thing is really disingenuous... the people telling you that should be ashamed.
 
What Political Chick finds 'shocking and absurb' is the fact that a Democrat was voted in with 365 electorial votes at the same time as 60 Dem Senators, and 265 Dem Reps. And that they would actually try to do something for the citizens of this nation. Worst yet, instead of borrowing from China, while cutting taxes on the very wealthy, the Democrats might actually adapt the sensible policy of Tax and Spend. After all, if you are going to spend, you are going to have to tax, that is the only income that government has.

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SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION.
6 (a) MEDICARE.—
7 (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 1861 of the Social
8 Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x) is amended—
9 (A) in subsection (s)(2)—
10 (i) by striking ‘‘and’’ at the end of
11 subparagraph (DD);
12 (ii) by adding ‘‘and’’ at the end of
13 subparagraph (EE); and
14 (iii) by adding at the end the fol15
lowing new subparagraph:
16 ‘‘(FF) advance care planning consultation (as
17 defined in subsection (hhh)(1));’’; and
18 (B) by adding at the end the following new
19 subsection:
20 ‘‘Advance Care Planning Consultation
21 ‘‘(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the
22 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con
23sultation between the individual and a practitioner de
24scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning,
25 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has

1 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such
2 consultation shall include the following:
3 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad4
vance care planning, including key questions and
5 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo6
ple to talk to.
7 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad8
vance directives, including living wills and durable
9 powers of attorney, and their uses.
10 ‘‘(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the
11 role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
12 ‘‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list
13 of national and State-specific resources to assist con
14sumers and their families with advance care plan
15ning, including the national toll-free hotline, the ad
16vance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal
17 service organizations (including those funded
18 through the Older Americans Act of 1965).
19 ‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
20 continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail
21able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene
22 fits for such services and supports that are available
23 under this title.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf

This section of the House bill deals with Advance planning and basically says to Seniors that rather than provide medical care , under the bill those under Medicare are entitled to consultation and other services. , basically just go ahead and die!! It's this sort of thing that is buried deep in the bill that people in their zeal for personal comfort would willingly hand over to the Govt.

I'm afraid that you've been duped. Encouraging living wills, which our government has done for two decades isn't tantamount to telling seniors to die. It's a way of telling them to make sure their WISHES in terms of their medical treatment are followed.

I always advised my clients to have living wills...

And spreading that type of thing is really disingenuous... the people telling you that should be ashamed.

FORCING old people to be "counseled" or risk losing their coverage is what is shameful.
 
SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION.
6 (a) MEDICARE.—
7 (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 1861 of the Social
8 Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x) is amended—
9 (A) in subsection (s)(2)—
10 (i) by striking ‘‘and’’ at the end of
11 subparagraph (DD);
12 (ii) by adding ‘‘and’’ at the end of
13 subparagraph (EE); and
14 (iii) by adding at the end the fol15
lowing new subparagraph:
16 ‘‘(FF) advance care planning consultation (as
17 defined in subsection (hhh)(1));’’; and
18 (B) by adding at the end the following new
19 subsection:
20 ‘‘Advance Care Planning Consultation
21 ‘‘(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the
22 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con
23sultation between the individual and a practitioner de
24scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning,
25 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has

1 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such
2 consultation shall include the following:
3 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad4
vance care planning, including key questions and
5 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo6
ple to talk to.
7 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad8
vance directives, including living wills and durable
9 powers of attorney, and their uses.
10 ‘‘(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the
11 role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
12 ‘‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list
13 of national and State-specific resources to assist con
14sumers and their families with advance care plan
15ning, including the national toll-free hotline, the ad
16vance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal
17 service organizations (including those funded
18 through the Older Americans Act of 1965).
19 ‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
20 continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail
21able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene
22 fits for such services and supports that are available
23 under this title.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf

This section of the House bill deals with Advance planning and basically says to Seniors that rather than provide medical care , under the bill those under Medicare are entitled to consultation and other services. , basically just go ahead and die!! It's this sort of thing that is buried deep in the bill that people in their zeal for personal comfort would willingly hand over to the Govt.

I'm afraid that you've been duped. Encouraging living wills, which our government has done for two decades isn't tantamount to telling seniors to die. It's a way of telling them to make sure their WISHES in terms of their medical treatment are followed.

I always advised my clients to have living wills...

And spreading that type of thing is really disingenuous... the people telling you that should be ashamed.

FORCING old people to be "counseled" or risk losing their coverage is what is shameful.

Show me where their insurance coverage is contingent on them discussing living wills. Cuz I don't see it.
 
FORCING old people to be "counseled" or risk losing their coverage is what is shameful.

The proposed healthcare bill does not force old people to be counseled. This section is amending the current law to allow for Medicare reimbursement for advance care planning IF it occurs... but will only pay for it once every 5 years (except in certain circumstances).
 
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SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION.
6 (a) MEDICARE.—
7 (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 1861 of the Social
8 Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x) is amended—
9 (A) in subsection (s)(2)—
10 (i) by striking ‘‘and’’ at the end of
11 subparagraph (DD);
12 (ii) by adding ‘‘and’’ at the end of
13 subparagraph (EE); and
14 (iii) by adding at the end the fol15
lowing new subparagraph:
16 ‘‘(FF) advance care planning consultation (as
17 defined in subsection (hhh)(1));’’; and
18 (B) by adding at the end the following new
19 subsection:
20 ‘‘Advance Care Planning Consultation
21 ‘‘(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the
22 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con
23sultation between the individual and a practitioner de
24scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning,
25 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has

1 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such
2 consultation shall include the following:
3 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad4
vance care planning, including key questions and
5 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo6
ple to talk to.
7 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad8
vance directives, including living wills and durable
9 powers of attorney, and their uses.
10 ‘‘(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the
11 role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
12 ‘‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list
13 of national and State-specific resources to assist con
14sumers and their families with advance care plan
15ning, including the national toll-free hotline, the ad
16vance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal
17 service organizations (including those funded
18 through the Older Americans Act of 1965).
19 ‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
20 continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail
21able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene
22 fits for such services and supports that are available
23 under this title.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf

This section of the House bill deals with Advance planning and basically says to Seniors that rather than provide medical care , under the bill those under Medicare are entitled to consultation and other services. , basically just go ahead and die!! It's this sort of thing that is buried deep in the bill that people in their zeal for personal comfort would willingly hand over to the Govt.

I'm afraid that you've been duped. Encouraging living wills, which our government has done for two decades isn't tantamount to telling seniors to die. It's a way of telling them to make sure their WISHES in terms of their medical treatment are followed.

I always advised my clients to have living wills...

And spreading that type of thing is really disingenuous... the people telling you that should be ashamed.

FORCING old people to be "counseled" or risk losing their coverage is what is shameful.
They're not being forced. it's made available to them if they want it.
 
How sad. I doubt we'll ever get any kind of affordable health care when the right offers no solutions and simply makes things up to frighten people.
 
The author of this thread read something and interpreted it in a way that really makles ZERO sense.
 
SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION.
6 (a) MEDICARE.—
7 (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 1861 of the Social
8 Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x) is amended—
9 (A) in subsection (s)(2)—
10 (i) by striking ‘‘and’’ at the end of
11 subparagraph (DD);
12 (ii) by adding ‘‘and’’ at the end of
13 subparagraph (EE); and
14 (iii) by adding at the end the fol15
lowing new subparagraph:
16 ‘‘(FF) advance care planning consultation (as
17 defined in subsection (hhh)(1));’’; and
18 (B) by adding at the end the following new
19 subsection:
20 ‘‘Advance Care Planning Consultation
21 ‘‘(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the
22 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con
23sultation between the individual and a practitioner de
24scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning,
25 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has

1 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such
2 consultation shall include the following:
3 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad4
vance care planning, including key questions and
5 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo6
ple to talk to.
7 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad8
vance directives, including living wills and durable
9 powers of attorney, and their uses.
10 ‘‘(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the
11 role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
12 ‘‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list
13 of national and State-specific resources to assist con
14sumers and their families with advance care plan
15ning, including the national toll-free hotline, the ad
16vance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal
17 service organizations (including those funded
18 through the Older Americans Act of 1965).
19 ‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
20 continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail
21able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene
22 fits for such services and supports that are available
23 under this title.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf

This section of the House bill deals with Advance planning and basically says to Seniors that rather than provide medical care , under the bill those under Medicare are entitled to consultation and other services. , basically just go ahead and die!! It's this sort of thing that is buried deep in the bill that people in their zeal for personal comfort would willingly hand over to the Govt.

I'm afraid that you've been duped. Encouraging living wills, which our government has done for two decades isn't tantamount to telling seniors to die. It's a way of telling them to make sure their WISHES in terms of their medical treatment are followed.

I always advised my clients to have living wills...

And spreading that type of thing is really disingenuous... the people telling you that should be ashamed.

I will repeat not , NOT back off my original claim that this section of the bill encourages Seniors and Terminally ill through methods of end of life consultations and with continuing language such as "an explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice," and allows Medicare to pay for such consultations every five years" While we all agree that allowing people to die with dignity is a good thing, in the end that is a matter of choice that belongs in their own hands and that of their families and not some Govt. agency or law that would require them to seek the advice out someone no matter how well meaning on methods of ending life. While many of you see this as scare tactic it is in short just what I posted a cost cutting method , one of many the Federal Govt. can use to reduce costs in order to realize the goal of coverage for all americans. The difference here is I'm not willing to sacrifice human beings all in the name of saving money in order to realize a personal comfort especially when I know that end of life planning, hospice, and other issues are very private issues that are between an individual, Doctor, and whatever higher entity you happen to believe in.
 

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