Sen Joe McCarthy: American Patriot and Hero

[Gadawg73]

I think what's been proven is that the left, for all their whinging and hand-wringing, have not been able to find one person "targeted" incorrectly by Joseph McCarthy. Half the time, they're busy talking about people McCarthy had nothing whatsoever to do with (ie. Lena Horne).

Every one of his "targets" were incorrect.

Idiot knee jerkers never seem to have a fucking clue what you're yammering about.

Name one.

Please give me one name that Joe McCarthy incorrectly identitfied

Lena Horne and Annie Moss are two.
Please print the list he had with all of the names.

 

[Gadawg73]

McCarthy claimed his list had 205 names.
Then it went to 57.
Eisenhower knew a con man when he saw one.
No other man in America during that era had mastered world wide intelligence better than Ike.
He identified McCarthy as a fraud with nothing other than decades old pre-war minor communist associations long gone through mountains of intelligence gathering over 20 years.

So you know nothing about McCarthy.

Mmmmkay

Did you know that Communist spies were feeding information on our Korean troops back to their masters in China and getting US soldiers killed?

Why do you think Korea is "The Forgotten War"?

My uncle was an intelligence officer in WWII and Korea and my father was a Marine Captain WWII and Korea.
Uncle Bill was with and intelligence unit that set up shop in Seoul, Korea in the late 40s. They

Not a forgotten war in my family. We lived in Jacksonville NC where Camp Lejeune is located where Dad came back to in 1954 and I was born in Raleigh 1954.

Most all American communists were has been labor goons that were left overs from the labor movement along with left leaning socialists that aligned themselves with Soviet style communism from the late 30s to the end of WWII.
They WERE in the Roosevelt administration but they had been exposed by the late 40s and had no influence whatsoever in THE EISENHOWER ADMINISTRATION which was the one on in office then.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Every one of his "targets" were incorrect.

Idiot knee jerkers never seem to have a fucking clue what you're yammering about.

Name one.

Please give me one name that Joe McCarthy incorrectly identitfied

Lena Horne and Annie Moss are two.
Please print the list he had with all of the names.

Annie Moss perjured herself before McCarthy's committee and was in fact a Communist

Lena Horne?

Here's three genuine Communist outed by McCarthy: Lauchlin Currie, Owen Lattimore, John Stewart Service

Lena Horne???

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[Gadawg73]

Name one.

Please give me one name that Joe McCarthy incorrectly identitfied

Lena Horne and Annie Moss are two.
Please print the list he had with all of the names.

Annie Moss perjured herself before McCarthy's committee and was in fact a Communist

Lena Horne?

Here's three genuine Communist outed by McCarthy: Lauchlin Currie, Owen Lattimore, John Stewart Service

Lena Horne???

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Show us the evidence she was a communist OTHER than a woman that came in, NEVER IDENTIFIED MOSS PHYSICALLY and the only evidence this supposed "informant" offered was "I saw the name Ann Moss on a communist member list"

Now come on Frank! Is that all the evidence YOU need?
If so then you are seriously lacking in any judgment on how to tell if a witness is credible or not..

How many people were named Ann Moss in the US at that time Frank?
Jesus, unbelievable you would go with that evidence only Frank.

SHOW US SOME EVIDENCE MOSS WAS A COMMUNIST FRANK!

Something, anything, somewhere, ANYWHERE.

McCarthy was the laughing stock of the entire hearings when Moss testified.

WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE FRANK????

 

[Vandalshandle]

Among many others, McCarthey smeared the good name of patriots George Marshall and Dean Acheson, and even said that President Truman was a tool of the communists.

McCarthy was about as evil as an American polititian could possibly get.

Modern History Sourcebook: Senator Josephy McCarthy: The History of George Catlett Marshall, 1951

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Lena Horne and Annie Moss are two.
Please print the list he had with all of the names.

Annie Moss perjured herself before McCarthy's committee and was in fact a Communist

Lena Horne?

Here's three genuine Communist outed by McCarthy: Lauchlin Currie, Owen Lattimore, John Stewart Service

Lena Horne???

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Show us the evidence she was a communist OTHER than a woman that came in, NEVER IDENTIFIED MOSS PHYSICALLY and the only evidence this supposed "informant" offered was "I saw the name Ann Moss on a communist member list"

Now come on Frank! Is that all the evidence YOU need?
If so then you are seriously lacking in any judgment on how to tell if a witness is credible or not..

How many people were named Ann Moss in the US at that time Frank?
Jesus, unbelievable you would go with that evidence only Frank.

SHOW US SOME EVIDENCE MOSS WAS A COMMUNIST FRANK!

Something, anything, somewhere, ANYWHERE.

McCarthy was the laughing stock of the entire hearings when Moss testified.

WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE FRANK????

Her address matched the address of the Annie Moss that was listed as a party member and subscriber of the daily worker

She lied when she testified

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[regent]

McCarthy claimed his list had 205 names.
Then it went to 57.
Eisenhower knew a con man when he saw one.
No other man in America during that era had mastered world wide intelligence better than Ike.
He identified McCarthy as a fraud with nothing other than decades old pre-war minor communist associations long gone through mountains of intelligence gathering over 20 years.

So you know nothing about McCarthy.

Mmmmkay

Did you know that Communist spies were feeding information on our Korean troops back to their masters in China and getting US soldiers killed?

Why do you think Korea is "The Forgotten War"?

So why is Korea the forgotten war?

 

[regent]

The unknown about the anticommunism period in America is did the fear somewhat force politicians to make wrong decisions? Did Truman go into Korea because of the anticommunism frenzy? Suppose America had seen the future and realized that many people wanted a better life; that the European powers could not hold onto their Asian colonies and would have to let them go. Would the Vietnamese revolutionists have followed America instead of the communists had we offered to help them gain their independence when they asked us for help?
Seems strange that America, born of revolution to throw off Britain, so often took the side of the Europeans to retain their colonies. America had the better product but the communists seem to win in the propaganda war. Did communism create such fear we could not make good decisions about the future or had we become another European power committed to the past?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

McCarthy claimed his list had 205 names.
Then it went to 57.
Eisenhower knew a con man when he saw one.
No other man in America during that era had mastered world wide intelligence better than Ike.
He identified McCarthy as a fraud with nothing other than decades old pre-war minor communist associations long gone through mountains of intelligence gathering over 20 years.

So you know nothing about McCarthy.

Mmmmkay

Did you know that Communist spies were feeding information on our Korean troops back to their masters in China and getting US soldiers killed?

Why do you think Korea is "The Forgotten War"?

So why is Korea the forgotten war?

A few reasons: it knocks the props out from under the "Red Scare" scenario. The USSR tried to start WWIII a year before with the Berlin Blockade and the North Koreans with a greenlight from Mao started killing US Soldiers in Korea. Second, it might be, um, embarrassing, if it were to come out that prominent Democrats in the WH and State were actually spies relaying back information on our strategy and troop movements to their masters

 

[numan]

At the end of the McCarthy hearings having been made fools all over the country with their factless allegations, another Senator involved with McCarthy in this witch hunt started to wear down as their circus of lies was unfolding. Senator Stuart Symington was then interested in the secret files that McCArthy had been claiming he had, yet no one ever saw them. Symington, like Joe, was out of ammunition so he next accused McCarthy's own staff of having communists on them! He offered to take the stand in the hearings to reveal their names in exchange for another investigation into staff members of McCarthy.

Amazing anyone with any brains would have fallen for this circus.

Well, of course no one with any brains would have fallen for it -- but that's beside the point, isn't it? We're talking about the majority of the American people here!

No one who didn't live through the 50's has any idea of the crudity of the propaganda of the sinister fledgling National Security State of that sorry period of American totalitarianism.

Of course, the propaganda today is as pervasive or more pervasive than when a satanic commie lurked under every bed -- satanic "terrorists" have replaced the commies, a pretty pale second best, but it's enough to maintain the Military-Industrial Conspiracy and keep the war profiteers happy.

However, modern American totalitarianism is much more snazzy and sophisticated -- the CIA and the advertisers have made great progress in the science of brainwashing. That, I think, is the reason why the TV programs of the 50's are so seldom seen today. Modern sheeple may be more comatose and zombified than people in the past, but they are used to much more sophisticated mind control. The crudity of the older techniques make the mental manipulation all too clear and obvious, and if people became aware that their minds were being programmed back then, they might begin to wonder if it's happening today -- and then, who knows where such unsettling thought might lead? Carefully contrived conditioning might be damaged or destroyed -- it could wreck our entire internal economy!
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[CrusaderFrank]

So how long will you ignore Owen Lattimore, Lauchlin Currie and John Stewart Service and that's just for starters?

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[Cecilie1200]

Annie Moss perjured herself before McCarthy's committee and was in fact a Communist

Lena Horne?

Here's three genuine Communist outed by McCarthy: Lauchlin Currie, Owen Lattimore, John Stewart Service

Lena Horne???

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Show us the evidence she was a communist OTHER than a woman that came in, NEVER IDENTIFIED MOSS PHYSICALLY and the only evidence this supposed "informant" offered was "I saw the name Ann Moss on a communist member list"

Now come on Frank! Is that all the evidence YOU need?
If so then you are seriously lacking in any judgment on how to tell if a witness is credible or not..

How many people were named Ann Moss in the US at that time Frank?
Jesus, unbelievable you would go with that evidence only Frank.

SHOW US SOME EVIDENCE MOSS WAS A COMMUNIST FRANK!

Something, anything, somewhere, ANYWHERE.

McCarthy was the laughing stock of the entire hearings when Moss testified.

WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE FRANK????

Her address matched the address of the Annie Moss that was listed as a party member and subscriber of the daily worker

She lied when she testified

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Oh, and the FBI secretly briefed the Democrats on the committee to the effect that she was a Communist.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Among many others, McCarthey smeared the good name of patriots George Marshall and Dean Acheson, and even said that President Truman was a tool of the communists.

McCarthy was about as evil as an American polititian could possibly get.

Modern History Sourcebook: Senator Josephy McCarthy: The History of George Catlett Marshall, 1951

George Marshall and Dean Acheson, patriots?! DEAN ACHESON?!

At first, I thought you were stupid. Now I think you're insane.

 

[regent]

So how long will you ignore Owen Lattimore, Lauchlin Currie and John Stewart Service and that's just for starters?

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Let us take Owen Lattimore, for as McCarthy said he would stake his whole case on Lattimore being a communist.
So what happened with Lattimore were the McCarthy charges true that he was a communist or not. Can you cite the case or investigation where Lattimore was found to be a communist? Was Lattimore tried in a federal or state court or was it just an investigation? What was the evidence that finally proved Lattimore was a communist?
McCarthy also was reported to have told a reporter that Lattimore had received instructions from four soviet agents landed by a soviet submarine, was this also true and confirmed in the investigation? Was Budenz the only witness against Lattimore and was Budenz's testimony under oath and did it convince anyone that Lattimore was an agent? What other evidence was used to prove Lattimore was an agent or even a communist?

 

[Vandalshandle]

Among many others, McCarthey smeared the good name of patriots George Marshall and Dean Acheson, and even said that President Truman was a tool of the communists.

McCarthy was about as evil as an American polititian could possibly get.

Modern History Sourcebook: Senator Josephy McCarthy: The History of George Catlett Marshall, 1951

George Marshall and Dean Acheson, patriots?! DEAN ACHESON?!

At first, I thought you were stupid. Now I think you're insane.

Yes, You read it correctly. "...patriots, such as Dean Acheson". In your case, this would be history that you need to study. In my case, I do not need to, because I lived it:

Dean Acheson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Cecilie1200]

So how long will you ignore Owen Lattimore, Lauchlin Currie and John Stewart Service and that's just for starters?

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Let us take Owen Lattimore, for as McCarthy said he would stake his whole case on Lattimore being a communist.
So what happened with Lattimore were the McCarthy charges true that he was a communist or not. Can you cite the case or investigation where Lattimore was found to be a communist? Was Lattimore tried in a federal or state court or was it just an investigation? What was the evidence that finally proved Lattimore was a communist?
McCarthy also was reported to have told a reporter that Lattimore had received instructions from four soviet agents landed by a soviet submarine, was this also true and confirmed in the investigation? Was Budenz the only witness against Lattimore and was Budenz's testimony under oath and did it convince anyone that Lattimore was an agent? What other evidence was used to prove Lattimore was an agent or even a communist?

Nice attempt at a strawman, but since being a Communist was not and still isn't a crime, demanding to know about a trial for it is disingenuous.

As to evidence, Louis Budenz, a member of the Communist Party USA Politburo testified that Lattimore was handpicked by Comintern (and if you ask me what that is, you will earn yourself an automatic ignore as a dumbfuck who has no business discussing this topic) to engage in propaganda on behalf of the Soviet Union. Soviet diplomats identified Lattimore to the FBI as an agent of the Soviet Union. The McCarran Committee called him a "conscious articulate instrument of the Soviet conspiracy" after investigating him, and Lattimore was indicted for perjury over his testimony before that committee. Lattimore was instrumental in getting people jobs in government service who were later found to be Soviet operatives.

Basically, if Owen Lattimore wasn't an operative of the Soviet Union, then he was an idiot for working for them for free instead of getting paid.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Among many others, McCarthey smeared the good name of patriots George Marshall and Dean Acheson, and even said that President Truman was a tool of the communists.

McCarthy was about as evil as an American polititian could possibly get.

Modern History Sourcebook: Senator Josephy McCarthy: The History of George Catlett Marshall, 1951

George Marshall and Dean Acheson, patriots?! DEAN ACHESON?!

At first, I thought you were stupid. Now I think you're insane.

Yes, You read it correctly. "...patriots, such as Dean Acheson". In your case, this would be history that you need to study. In my case, I do not need to, because I lived it:

Dean Acheson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

First of all, I didn't think I read it incorrectly. I just can't believe anyone would be so fucking nuts as to say such a thing.

Second of all, Wikipedia? Bitch, please.

 

[Toronado3800]

So how long will you ignore Owen Lattimore, Lauchlin Currie and John Stewart Service and that's just for starters?

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Frank, Cecilie1200 had no ability to answer and got mean, but what counts as a "good" McCarthy accusation?

I am trying to guess from posts. For sure if someone was ever a member of the Communist Party that seems to make them a good target for the purposes of this thread.

This is not my area of expertise. What is the Dean Acheson talk?

I was aware McCarthy seemed annoyed by Marshall, the man who came up with the Marshall plan against the spread of communism oddly enough. But that was a short term thing if I recall.

Did McCarthy really even "go after" Marshall or Acheson enough for this to be an issue? To me it seems like a modern rant on talk radio type of mud slinging he did.

 

[Toronado3800]

Dean Acheson - Conservapedia

Conservapedia, the place where I once read a back page discussion on how to soften wording on McCarthy's alcoholism, is pretty low key on the whole Acheson thing. Were McCarthy's attacks that big of a thing or just random talk radio type stuff blaming anyone and everyone for somehow not keeping China from going Communist.

 

[Cecilie1200]

So how long will you ignore Owen Lattimore, Lauchlin Currie and John Stewart Service and that's just for starters?

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Frank, Cecilie1200 had no ability to answer and got mean, but what counts as a "good" McCarthy accusation?

I am trying to guess from posts. For sure if someone was ever a member of the Communist Party that seems to make them a good target for the purposes of this thread.

This is not my area of expertise. What is the Dean Acheson talk?

I was aware McCarthy seemed annoyed by Marshall, the man who came up with the Marshall plan against the spread of communism oddly enough. But that was a short term thing if I recall.

Did McCarthy really even "go after" Marshall or Acheson enough for this to be an issue? To me it seems like a modern rant on talk radio type of mud slinging he did.

I answer just fine, but you get so stuck on "You weren't nice to me!" that your reading comprehension goes out the window. Not my problem.

Marshall was an incompetent, which is why a lot of people in government didn't like him, including McCarthy. And the Marshall Plan as he proposed it, despite what has been taught in school for years, was actually a prime example of what an incompetent he was.

McCarthy disliked Acheson greatly on a personal level, and thought he was incompetent as well. As with Marshall, McCarthy wasn't alone in thinking this.

As rude as McCarthy was about these men - and no one has ever denied that McCarthy was quite rude and blunt - these personal conflicts were not really any different from a member of Congress making derogatory remarks about administration members today, except that most politicians tend to be more polite and circumspect in their word choices. They were largely separate from McCarthy's interest in pursuing security risks in the government (although McCarthy did think, with some justification, that their incompetence at their jobs was helpful to America's interests).