Joseph McCarthy Was Right in Most Cases

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    mikegriffith1 Mike Griffith

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    When you decide to do serious research on Senator Joseph McCarthy, you soon discover that McCarthy was right in most cases. Far from being the reckless muckraker that most of our history books have long claimed he was, if anything, we now know that McCarthy somewhat understated the severity of Communist penetration into the U.S. government.

    When the Venona decrypts were released in 1995, we discovered that they identified at least 349 people who cooperated in various ways with Soviet intelligence agencies. For example, the Venona files reveal that the Senate Civil Liberties Subcommittee, chaired by former Senator Robert LaFollette, whom McCarthy defeated in 1946, had at least four staff members working on behalf of the KGB. John Abt, the Chief Counsel of the Committee; Charles Kramer, who served on three other Congressional Committees; Allen Rosenberg, who also served on the National Labor Relations Board, Board of Economic Warfare (BEW), the Foreign Economic Administration (FEA), and later argued cases before the United States Supreme Court; and Charles Flato, who served on the BEW and FEA, were all members of the Communist Party USA and were associated with the Soviet-run Comintern.

    No credible scholar now denies that Soviet agents and sympathizers penetrated into the highest levels of the U.S. government in the 1930s and 1940s, including the White House and the State Department. It has long been known that the Soviets were able to place agents into the top levels of the Manhattan Project, and that one of them, Klaus Fuchs, even attended the first nuke test in New Mexico and then sent a detailed report about it to Joseph Stalin. It has also been known for a long time that FDR's Secretary of the Treasury, Harry Dexter White, was a Soviet spy, and that one of the members of the team that FDR took to Yalta, Alger Hiss, was also a Soviet Spy. In 1944, Hiss became director of the State Department's Office of Special Political Affairs. We have also known for some time now that some American officials in China and/or who worked on China affairs were Communist agents or sympathizers, such as John Stewart Service, Solomon Adler, Owen Lattimore, and Lauchlin Currie--these men played an important role in feeding false information about the state of affairs in China back to Washington.

    Time does not allow me to address all the myths and distortions that liberals have spun about Senator McCarthy, so I will deal with one of the main ones, an issue that is hammered on in every anti-McCarthy book and article: the number of names that McCarthy claimed to have of Communist agents and sympathizers/security risks.

    Liberals have claimed that McCarthy couldn't even decide how many names he had of Communists and pro-Communists/security risks. Historian James Drummond explains the matter:

    Q. Wasn't it reported that McCarthy used the number 205 in his Wheeling speech, lowered it to 57 later, and then raised it again to 81?​

    A. Yes, this was reported, and here is the explanation: In the Wheeling speech, McCarthy referred to a letter that Secretary of State James Byrnes sent to Congressman Adolph Sabath in 1946. In that letter, Byrnes said that State Department security investigators had declared 284 persons unfit to hold jobs in the department because of Communist connections and other reasons, but that only 79 had been discharged, leaving 205 still on the State Department's payroll. McCarthy told his Wheeling audience that while he did not have the names of the 205 mentioned in the Byrnes letter, he did have the names of 57 who were either members of or loyal to the Communist Party. On February 20, 1950, McCarthy gave the Senate information about 81 individuals -- the 57 referred to at Wheeling and 24 others of less importance and about whom the evidence was less conclusive.​

    The enemies of McCarthy have juggled these numbers around to make the Senator appear to be erratic and to distract attention from the paramount question: Were there still Alger Hisses in the State Department betraying this nation? McCarthy was not being inconsistent in his use of the numbers; the 57 and 81 were part of the 205 mentioned in the Byrnes letter. (The New American - McCarthyism - Forty questions and answers about Senator Joseph McCarthy - May 11, 1987)​

    Sources for further study:

    M. Stanton Evans' seminal book Blacklisted By History: The Untold Story of Senator Joseph McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies

    M. Stanton Evans' Response to Ronald Radosh

    Two Defenses of McCarthy by Two 1950s Conservatives

    Conservapedia Article on Joseph McCarthy

    Summary of Arthur Herman's Book on Joseph McCarthy

    40 Questions and Answers About Senator McCarthy

    Owen Lattiimore

    Solomon Adler

     
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    Yes our government was infiltrated by Soviet communists, during FDR’s and Dirty Harry’s time.

    Now our government is infiltrated by transnational capitalists, that do the bidding of the billionaires. Our mainstream media is compromised too.
     
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    A lot of innocent lives were ruined by the McCarthy witch hunt.

    The difference between then and now is that the government wasn't encouraging communist intervention then as it does now. Can you imagine our President's rage if today's government produced a McCarthy now while he tries so hard to please Vlad?
     
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    It is difficult to say that an open society with guaranteed free speech is 'infiltrated' by people who exercise it. The holding of heterodoxical views is part of the freedom (or, danger, if you will).
    That people with these views worked in government is a reality. The reality is also that those with other views be alert and active as well. In the end, there were also people on the "other" side who had views dissenting from those of a government much more repressive than America's. They contributed immensely to the fall of the Soviet Union (see especially the Farewell case (Farewell Dossier - Wikipedia).
    McCarthy was merely another political hack with no originality who profited from pure fear mongering. His excesses caused much pain and served very little if anything to America; in fact, quite the contrary.
     
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    Name one.

    What "witch hunt"? He mostly followed up on leads provided by the FBI, the War Department, and State Department security personnel. He had nothing to do with investigating Hollywood communists.

    Huh? Trump has been the most anti-Putin/anti-Russian president since Reagan. Trump has sold weapons to Georgia, something that Obama refused to do. Trump has slapped tariffs on Russian steel. Trump has publicly outed NATO nations for failing to spend their treaty-obligated amount on defense, which is hardly comforting to Russia. Trump has based the German-Russian natural gas pipeline. Trump has expelled dozens of Russian diplomats. Trump has continued to impose sanctions on Russia. Etc., etc., etc.

    By the way, if anyone cares to know, Senator McCarthy was pro-civil rights and very pro-Israel. He was also not as staunch in his opposition to New Deal programs as most other Republicans were.
     
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    I will not, because it was the father of a person I went to high school with. He was cleared, but it ruined him...and my friend. They found out who their friends were real fast. It was High Noon for them. He lost his job and they had to leave town. I have no idea what happened to them, but McCarthy AND his Roy Cohn (the corrupt SOB) never bothered to know the destruction they caused with their scatter-gun tactics.
    The contempt I feel for Barr is simply a renewed disgust of Cohn.

    "Trump has been the most anti-Putin/anti-Russian president since Reagan."

    What planet are you from? Who dropped the sanctions and ouster of diplomats kicked out for election tampering? Who accepts Putin's lies (ala Helsinki) and disses American intel? Who endorses Putin's diversion plans, such as blaming election hacking on Ukraine? Sheesh!
     
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    McCarthy was not only wrong, he was both dangerously insane and a national embarrassment.
     
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    I don't believe you. You know nothing of what McCarthy did and did not do. He had no law enforcement authority, other than subpoena power, and he was careful to protect identities until there was sufficient evidence. Did you read a single one of the articles that I provide in the OP? I'm guess no.

    What planet do YOU live on? I notice you didn't deal with any of the anti-Russian actions that Trump has taken that I cited. Not one.

    "Sheesh" is right. Again, WHAT planet do YOU live on? Trump has imposed sanctions on Russia, as I pointed out. How can you not know this? What about Trump's selling of weapons to Georgia, which Obama was too chicken to do and which Putin bitterly condemned? How about the dozens of Russian diplomats that Trump has expelled? How about the tariffs that Trump has slapped on Russian steel? How about Trump's push to get NATO nations to spend more on defense, which of course Russia opposes?

    Undo your brainwashing and deal with reality.
     
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    They were communist spies, you fucking dumbass, and they were in sensitive government positions.
     
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    Wrong and wrong. He saved this country from communism.
     
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