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It's been fascinating over the last year to see conservatives abandon Lincoln in favor of Jefferson Davis.
The biggest problem with this thread title ... and why I call bullshit on it ...
... by seceding, they are taking the American spirit with them, because our countries here were founded by secession and rebellion, not by conformity and dictatorship.
The country was founded on the principle of national unity. Otherwise the founders would have simply been content to form 13 countries.
It's been fascinating over the last year to see conservatives abandon Lincoln in favor of Jefferson Davis.
Thats because his expansion of the federal government was wrong and it destroyed federalism in a way that it should not have been destroyed. He should have destroyed it with legal action that would have gone through political debate instead of launching a war to end it.
The US is at heart a centrist nation, whatever the partisan hacks may try to tell you. And the pendulum has always swung back and forth between liberal and conservative over time to keep that balance. At any given time, the government is enacting policies that are going to go against the desires of some greater or lesser portion of the people. That's reality no matter who wins an election.It does raise an interesting question though, at what point does out of control spending, power grabs, and expanding Federal Govt. get to the point where it spurs people to action? To the progressive , they would say, great we are finally changing the nation into their vision, to the conservative it is a direction they would say, that direction does not reflect the United States of America rather it reflects a vision of of other well known and less than stellar nations, the former Soviet Union comes to mind. To the Independant, it means that the people in power do not have their best interest at heart and need to be replaced in order secure a future for our children and grandchildren. While we all share a sense of what is good for nation from a moral standpoint well at least most of us, in that we don't wish to see people starving, or dying of disease, or not have any hope. It is in the end how we address those issues that will define us. I have always thought that you can take the best ideas from 2 people and make a house stronger than simply going on your own and demanding everyone like your vision. That is the essesance of what we are SUPPOSED to be about, honest debate, and in that debate to reach a conclusion that best reflects the desires of ALL of US not just some of US.
But you're right about honest debate being necessary. The entire system was set up to encourage just such debate from several angles, before it was hijacked by money and partisan hacks more interested in tactics than policy. I don't care where an idea comes from, I care that it's a good one. Maybe that's because I prefer to focus on solving the problem rather than blaming someone for it. Idoeological purity is fine as a theory on paper, but it doesn't create a job or protect a citizen. Why is that so hard for the extremists to understand?
How is having an opinion make someone an extremist? Most people like peperoni on their pizza but a few "extremist" like anchovis. No one ever tells the guy who likes anchovis that he shouldn't like them because most other people like peperoni so why do "extremist" get told that they can't have their opinion about things because their opinion is outside the realm of mainstream thought.
The biggest problem with this thread title ... and why I call bullshit on it ...
... by seceding, they are taking the American spirit with them, because our countries here were founded by secession and rebellion, not by conformity and dictatorship.
The country was founded on the principle of national unity. Otherwise the founders would have simply been content to form 13 countries.
9/11. How soon we forget.
9/11. How soon we forget.
based on the liberal behavior,, nowadays,, I'd just say their "unity" was all show, they ran like rats when the going got tough..
The biggest problem with this thread title ... and why I call bullshit on it ...
... by seceding, they are taking the American spirit with them, because our countries here were founded by secession and rebellion, not by conformity and dictatorship.
The country was founded on the principle of national unity. Otherwise the founders would have simply been content to form 13 countries.
national unity my azz.. when's the last time you saw any national unity?
9/11. How soon we forget.
based on the liberal behavior,, nowadays,, I'd just say their "unity" was all show, they ran like rats when the going got tough.. consider that today,, they are taking pictures of the CIA and giving them to the terrorists.. whose side do you think they are on?
9/11. How soon we forget.
based on the liberal behavior,, nowadays,, I'd just say their "unity" was all show, they ran like rats when the going got tough..
And you have the guts to complain about a lack of national unity? What have you done to do anything but pit American against American and ratchet up the rhetoric for the benefit of your own "side"?
Not one damn thing.
based on the liberal behavior,, nowadays,, I'd just say their "unity" was all show, they ran like rats when the going got tough..
And you have the guts to complain about a lack of national unity? What have you done to do anything but pit American against American and ratchet up the rhetoric for the benefit of your own "side"?
Not one damn thing.
Hey! I'm not complaining,, I've accepted it as fact. I've sat and watched your elected RAT pit the rich against the poor, black against, white, latino against white, Fox against his media, and now the Insurance companies are villians, I've sat and watched all you Rats villianize anybody who doesn't march lockstep with your regime so don't try to tell me about National Unity.. you can take your brand of unity and shove it right straight up your rattly little butt.
9/11. How soon we forget.
based on the liberal behavior,, nowadays,, I'd just say their "unity" was all show, they ran like rats when the going got tough.. consider that today,, they are taking pictures of the CIA and giving them to the terrorists.. whose side do you think they are on?
The 'going getting tough' was precipitated by George Bush deciding to invade Iraq and in the process make the worst foreign policy decision in recent memory.
And you have the guts to complain about a lack of national unity? What have you done to do anything but pit American against American and ratchet up the rhetoric for the benefit of your own "side"?
Not one damn thing.
Hey! I'm not complaining,, I've accepted it as fact. I've sat and watched your elected RAT pit the rich against the poor, black against, white, latino against white, Fox against his media, and now the Insurance companies are villians, I've sat and watched all you Rats villianize anybody who doesn't march lockstep with your regime so don't try to tell me about National Unity.. you can take your brand of unity and shove it right straight up your rattly little butt.
Nice assumption on your part, but what can one expect from an ass?
could we have a civil war on your hands liberals ???? i do hope so
Hey! I'm not complaining,, I've accepted it as fact. I've sat and watched your elected RAT pit the rich against the poor, black against, white, latino against white, Fox against his media, and now the Insurance companies are villians, I've sat and watched all you Rats villianize anybody who doesn't march lockstep with your regime so don't try to tell me about National Unity.. you can take your brand of unity and shove it right straight up your rattly little butt.
Nice assumption on your part, but what can one expect from an ass?
no assumptions there padner,, it's all fact,, everybody's seen it..
