Scotland Was Allowed To Vote On Secession. Why Can't The American States?

[bripat9643]

Begs the question: Why are all secession minded people so ignorant of their own history?

Once again, you obviously don't know what it means to "beg the question."

You should quit before the forum becomes aware of the full extent of your stupidity

Quit the forum? How about this instead.....I'm going to start a ignore list and you will be the first only one on that list. Doesn't that make you feel special. It's not as though you ever had anything interesting or intelligent to say and you're too chickenshit to participate in an actual debate.

Is "actual debate" where you do nothing but post links to videos and then call you're opponent names?

 

[bripat9643]

That ignore feature works pretty good.

"Ignore" is the true sign of a coward.

 

[bripat9643]

A state is free to secede if they wish.

They just have to do it Constitutionally, the way they came in.

With the consent of the other states and the Congress.

According to whom? How did the states "come in constitutionally" before the Constitution existed? Which states gave Virginia "consent" to join the union?

 

[Discombobulated]

Wow, liberals are such great humanitarians. They only want what's best for the people, even if they have to kill them.

All traitors must die.

Lincoln was the traitor according to the definition in the Constitution. Allow me to quote:

"Treason against the United State(s), shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."​

Note that it uses the plural "them." So treason shall consist of making war against any of the states in the union. Lincoln and his thug associates are the ones who made war against the states, not the Confederacy.

Are you really this stupid? Once the states had seceded they were no longer entitled to the protections of the US Constitution.

If they were sovereign countries, then Lincoln prosecuted a war of aggression against a peaceful neighbor. The Union had no right to occupy foreign sovereign territory at Fort Sumter. It had no right to send in supply ships to intrude on the territorial waters of South Carolina. In short, if yu acknowledge that the Confederate states where foreign countries, then you acknowledge they had a right to secede and that Lincoln was totally in the wrong when he invaded them.

Talk about stupid.

It's not aggression...the "Confederacy" fired on a U.S. Federal fort without provocation. Then it was on.

The half wit scholars of the Confederacy try to dispute even that much.....which only goes to show how out of touch with reality these fools are.

 

[paperview]

A state is free to secede if they wish.

They just have to do it Constitutionally, the way they came in.

With the consent of the other states and the Congress.

According to whom? How did the states "come in constitutionally" before the Constitution existed? Which states gave Virginia "consent" to join the union?

The First Continental Congress(1774) and the Second Continental Congress (1775) were sort of getting these things going, then that little United States Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776 thingy happened, yanno? Kinda formed a formal pact. Sorta cool, eh?

Virgina was special, though, iffin you want to do some history bookin': Virginia Convention.

But to the point of the rewrite of the Articles of Confederation - and what we know now as our present Constitution, there actually is a provision for allllllllllllllllllll those states that came in after the original 13 you know.

Are you at all familiar with that part of the Constitution, by any chance?

 

[paperview]

All traitors must die.

Lincoln was the traitor according to the definition in the Constitution. Allow me to quote:

"Treason against the United State(s), shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."​

Note that it uses the plural "them." So treason shall consist of making war against any of the states in the union. Lincoln and his thug associates are the ones who made war against the states, not the Confederacy.

Are you really this stupid? Once the states had seceded they were no longer entitled to the protections of the US Constitution.

If they were sovereign countries, then Lincoln prosecuted a war of aggression against a peaceful neighbor. The Union had no right to occupy foreign sovereign territory at Fort Sumter. It had no right to send in supply ships to intrude on the territorial waters of South Carolina. In short, if yu acknowledge that the Confederate states where foreign countries, then you acknowledge they had a right to secede and that Lincoln was totally in the wrong when he invaded them.

Talk about stupid.

It's not aggression...the "Confederacy" fired on a U.S. Federal fort without provocation. Then it was on.

The half wit scholars of the Confederacy try to dispute even that much.....which only goes to show how out of touch with reality these fools are.

Firing some 3,000 cannonballs towards Federal troops -- that tends to bring on a response/ lol

(Not to mention SC ceded all rights to Fort Sumter in 1836 - ALL rights)

And as I've told bripat and the Lost Causers a hundred times now, hostilities had commenced months before Lincoln even stepped into office.

Rebels were seizing forts and arsenals all over the South, Shooting and firing on two Union ships, seizing them -- and in the case of Union ship Star of the West, converting it to a Man of War. They effectively started the war in January of 1861.


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[Discombobulated]

But historically accurate details like that fly in the face of secessionist rhetoric......we simply can't have that.

 

[Discombobulated]

A state is free to secede if they wish.

They just have to do it Constitutionally, the way they came in.

With the consent of the other states and the Congress.

According to whom? How did the states "come in constitutionally" before the Constitution existed? Which states gave Virginia "consent" to join the union?

The First Continental Congress(1774) and the Second Continental Congress (1775) were sort of getting these things going, then that little United States Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776 thingy happened, yanno? Kinda formed a formal pact. Sorta cool, eh?

Virgina was special, though, iffin you want to do some history bookin': Virginia Convention.

But to the point of the rewrite of the Articles of Confederation - and what we know now as our present Constitution, there actually is a provision for allllllllllllllllllll those states that came in after the original 13 you know.

Are you at all familiar with that part of the Constitution, by any chance?

Amazing what people can learn when they read books.

 

[bripat9643]

A state is free to secede if they wish.

They just have to do it Constitutionally, the way they came in.

With the consent of the other states and the Congress.

According to whom? How did the states "come in constitutionally" before the Constitution existed? Which states gave Virginia "consent" to join the union?

The First Continental Congress(1774) and the Second Continental Congress (1775) were sort of getting these things going, then that little United States Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776 thingy happened, yanno? Kinda formed a formal pact. Sorta cool, eh?

Virgina was special, though, iffin you want to do some history bookin': Virginia Convention.

But to the point of the rewrite of the Articles of Confederation - and what we know now as our present Constitution, there actually is a provision for allllllllllllllllllll those states that came in after the original 13 you know.

Are you at all familiar with that part of the Constitution, by any chance?

So you're saying the original 13 colonies can secede without anyone's permission, but the rest of the states can't?

 

[bripat9643]

A state is free to secede if they wish.

They just have to do it Constitutionally, the way they came in.

With the consent of the other states and the Congress.

According to whom? How did the states "come in constitutionally" before the Constitution existed? Which states gave Virginia "consent" to join the union?

The First Continental Congress(1774) and the Second Continental Congress (1775) were sort of getting these things going, then that little United States Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776 thingy happened, yanno? Kinda formed a formal pact. Sorta cool, eh?

Virgina was special, though, iffin you want to do some history bookin': Virginia Convention.

But to the point of the rewrite of the Articles of Confederation - and what we know now as our present Constitution, there actually is a provision for allllllllllllllllllll those states that came in after the original 13 you know.

Are you at all familiar with that part of the Constitution, by any chance?

Amazing what people can learn when they read books.

Are you trying to say you don't read books?

 

[Asclepias]

A state is free to secede if they wish.

They just have to do it Constitutionally, the way they came in.

With the consent of the other states and the Congress.

According to whom? How did the states "come in constitutionally" before the Constitution existed? Which states gave Virginia "consent" to join the union?

The First Continental Congress(1774) and the Second Continental Congress (1775) were sort of getting these things going, then that little United States Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776 thingy happened, yanno? Kinda formed a formal pact. Sorta cool, eh?

Virgina was special, though, iffin you want to do some history bookin': Virginia Convention.

But to the point of the rewrite of the Articles of Confederation - and what we know now as our present Constitution, there actually is a provision for allllllllllllllllllll those states that came in after the original 13 you know.

Are you at all familiar with that part of the Constitution, by any chance?

So you're saying the original 13 colonies can secede without anyone's permission, but the rest of the states can't?

Thats right. The south had to learn that lesson the hardway.

 

[Asclepias]

A state is free to secede if they wish.

They just have to do it Constitutionally, the way they came in.

With the consent of the other states and the Congress.

According to whom? How did the states "come in constitutionally" before the Constitution existed? Which states gave Virginia "consent" to join the union?

The First Continental Congress(1774) and the Second Continental Congress (1775) were sort of getting these things going, then that little United States Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776 thingy happened, yanno? Kinda formed a formal pact. Sorta cool, eh?

Virgina was special, though, iffin you want to do some history bookin': Virginia Convention.

But to the point of the rewrite of the Articles of Confederation - and what we know now as our present Constitution, there actually is a provision for allllllllllllllllllll those states that came in after the original 13 you know.

Are you at all familiar with that part of the Constitution, by any chance?

Amazing what people can learn when they read books.

Are you trying to say you don't read books?

No. Hes saying you have to actually read instead of looking at comic books all the time.

 

[bripat9643]

Lincoln was the traitor according to the definition in the Constitution. Allow me to quote:

"Treason against the United State(s), shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."​

Note that it uses the plural "them." So treason shall consist of making war against any of the states in the union. Lincoln and his thug associates are the ones who made war against the states, not the Confederacy.

Are you really this stupid? Once the states had seceded they were no longer entitled to the protections of the US Constitution.

If they were sovereign countries, then Lincoln prosecuted a war of aggression against a peaceful neighbor. The Union had no right to occupy foreign sovereign territory at Fort Sumter. It had no right to send in supply ships to intrude on the territorial waters of South Carolina. In short, if yu acknowledge that the Confederate states where foreign countries, then you acknowledge they had a right to secede and that Lincoln was totally in the wrong when he invaded them.

Talk about stupid.

It's not aggression...the "Confederacy" fired on a U.S. Federal fort without provocation. Then it was on.

The half wit scholars of the Confederacy try to dispute even that much.....which only goes to show how out of touch with reality these fools are.

Firing some 3,000 cannonballs towards Federal troops -- that tends to bring on a response/ lol

(Not to mention SC ceded all rights to Fort Sumter in 1836 - ALL rights)

And as I've told bripat and the Lost Causers a hundred times now, hostilities had commenced months before Lincoln even stepped into office.

Rebels were seizing forts and arsenals all over the South, Shooting and firing on two Union ships, seizing them -- and in the case of Union ship Star of the West, converting it to a Man of War. They effectively started the war in January of 1861.


co

They were seizing confederate property. All you Lincoln worshipers, including discombobulated, claim the hostilities commenced at Ft. Sumter, so you'll have to take issue with them.

Star of the West was fired on when it attempted to resupply Ft Sumter, which I have already explained is an act of war. Effectively the War started when Lincoln attempted to invade Virginia at the First Battle of Bull Run.

 

[bripat9643]

A state is free to secede if they wish.

They just have to do it Constitutionally, the way they came in.

With the consent of the other states and the Congress.

According to whom? How did the states "come in constitutionally" before the Constitution existed? Which states gave Virginia "consent" to join the union?

The First Continental Congress(1774) and the Second Continental Congress (1775) were sort of getting these things going, then that little United States Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776 thingy happened, yanno? Kinda formed a formal pact. Sorta cool, eh?

Virgina was special, though, iffin you want to do some history bookin': Virginia Convention.

But to the point of the rewrite of the Articles of Confederation - and what we know now as our present Constitution, there actually is a provision for allllllllllllllllllll those states that came in after the original 13 you know.

Are you at all familiar with that part of the Constitution, by any chance?

So you're saying the original 13 colonies can secede without anyone's permission, but the rest of the states can't?

Thats right. The south had to learn that lesson the hardway.

You mean the same way uppity ******* should learn not to use "whites only" drinking fountains?

I just love the way so-called liberals are so fond of dishing out punishment to people simply for wanting to go their own way.

 

[bripat9643]

A state is free to secede if they wish.

They just have to do it Constitutionally, the way they came in.

With the consent of the other states and the Congress.

According to whom? How did the states "come in constitutionally" before the Constitution existed? Which states gave Virginia "consent" to join the union?

The First Continental Congress(1774) and the Second Continental Congress (1775) were sort of getting these things going, then that little United States Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776 thingy happened, yanno? Kinda formed a formal pact. Sorta cool, eh?

Virgina was special, though, iffin you want to do some history bookin': Virginia Convention.

But to the point of the rewrite of the Articles of Confederation - and what we know now as our present Constitution, there actually is a provision for allllllllllllllllllll those states that came in after the original 13 you know.

Are you at all familiar with that part of the Constitution, by any chance?

Amazing what people can learn when they read books.

Are you trying to say you don't read books?

No. Hes saying you have to actually read instead of looking at comic books all the time.

Is there anything else you'd like to add to the pile of evidence that you're nothing but a jackass?

 

[bripat9643]

But historically accurate details like that fly in the face of secessionist rhetoric......we simply can't have that.

Historically accurate but totally irrelevant.

 

[bripat9643]

Wow, liberals are such great humanitarians. They only want what's best for the people, even if they have to kill them.

All traitors must die.

Lincoln was the traitor according to the definition in the Constitution. Allow me to quote:

"Treason against the United State(s), shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."​

Note that it uses the plural "them." So treason shall consist of making war against any of the states in the union. Lincoln and his thug associates are the ones who made war against the states, not the Confederacy.

Are you really this stupid? Once the states had seceded they were no longer entitled to the protections of the US Constitution.

If they were sovereign countries, then Lincoln prosecuted a war of aggression against a peaceful neighbor. The Union had no right to occupy foreign sovereign territory at Fort Sumter. It had no right to send in supply ships to intrude on the territorial waters of South Carolina. In short, if yu acknowledge that the Confederate states where foreign countries, then you acknowledge they had a right to secede and that Lincoln was totally in the wrong when he invaded them.

Talk about stupid.

It's not aggression...the "Confederacy" fired on a U.S. Federal fort without provocation. Then it was on.

I've already explained with this argument is horseshit at least 1000 times.

 

[bripat9643]

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It's the people who start the shooting who are the aggressors, not the other way around.

So if you wake up to find an intruder in your house and you shoot him - then YOU are the aggressor?

That's the argument of the Lincoln cult.

Sad, isn't it? Hitler used the same argument to justify his invasion of Poland.

 

[Asclepias]

A state is free to secede if they wish.

They just have to do it Constitutionally, the way they came in.

With the consent of the other states and the Congress.

According to whom? How did the states "come in constitutionally" before the Constitution existed? Which states gave Virginia "consent" to join the union?

The First Continental Congress(1774) and the Second Continental Congress (1775) were sort of getting these things going, then that little United States Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776 thingy happened, yanno? Kinda formed a formal pact. Sorta cool, eh?

Virgina was special, though, iffin you want to do some history bookin': Virginia Convention.

But to the point of the rewrite of the Articles of Confederation - and what we know now as our present Constitution, there actually is a provision for allllllllllllllllllll those states that came in after the original 13 you know.

Are you at all familiar with that part of the Constitution, by any chance?

So you're saying the original 13 colonies can secede without anyone's permission, but the rest of the states can't?

Thats right. The south had to learn that lesson the hardway.

You mean the same way uppity ******* should learn not to use "whites only" drinking fountains?

I just love the way so-called liberals are so fond of dishing out punishment to people simply for wanting to go their own way.

No the difference is the south got beat to a pulp and will never rise. Black people get to use your fountains and your women to this day.

 

[Asclepias]

According to whom? How did the states "come in constitutionally" before the Constitution existed? Which states gave Virginia "consent" to join the union?

The First Continental Congress(1774) and the Second Continental Congress (1775) were sort of getting these things going, then that little United States Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776 thingy happened, yanno? Kinda formed a formal pact. Sorta cool, eh?

Virgina was special, though, iffin you want to do some history bookin': Virginia Convention.

But to the point of the rewrite of the Articles of Confederation - and what we know now as our present Constitution, there actually is a provision for allllllllllllllllllll those states that came in after the original 13 you know.

Are you at all familiar with that part of the Constitution, by any chance?

Amazing what people can learn when they read books.

Are you trying to say you don't read books?

No. Hes saying you have to actually read instead of looking at comic books all the time.

Is there anything else you'd like to add to the pile of evidence that you're nothing but a jackass?

One more thing. Cave chimps like you have a hard time reading. How was that?