Santorum, on Personal Liberty (he doesn't like it!)

[Soggy in NOLA]

I hear Santorum hates kitty cats too.

 

[Stephanie]

why?....Sullivan's words are the typical hysterical hyperbole of the Left....

what Santorum basically said (if he said that) is that people cannot just go alone in society....to do whatever they want to do.....we live among other people....cultural issues affect the whole culture....conservatives know that RADICAL individualism will lead to anarchy (the libertarian view)....to be a working cohesive society we need rules....

sounds like Santorum is speaking like a conservative....

Sullivan is Rightwing. You just hate him because he's a queer.


True story!



And I've showed where Ricky said it.

Sullivan is a so-called "rightwinger" from England....who endorsed Obama......need i say more...?

and how funny he is the right-winger guy the left just LOVES...

 

[CaughtInTheMid]

As a firm believer in individual liberty and freedom, I can cast my vote for only ONE candidate, Ron Paul.

NO other candidate represents the ideals espoused in our Constitution.

This is why he is marginalized by Democrats and Republicans alike.

No offense, but.... Ron Paul is dangerously naive on foreign policy and international relations. That is why he is marginalized by Democrats and Republicans.

i think that paul is correct on his foreign policy. had we used our military the way he wants (only go to war when attacked or when absolutely necessary) we wouldn't be in the mess were in (regarding so many people/countries wanting payback) that we're in now. the problem is that most americans can't accept that.

 

[GuyPinestra]

As a firm believer in individual liberty and freedom, I can cast my vote for only ONE candidate, Ron Paul.

NO other candidate represents the ideals espoused in our Constitution.

This is why he is marginalized by Democrats and Republicans alike.

No offense, but.... Ron Paul is dangerously naive on foreign policy and international relations. That is why he is marginalized by Democrats and Republicans.

I still love ya, but I think you're dead wrong on that.

 

[rdean]

This is the problem with right wingers. Because liberals insist their rights should be left alone, right wingers seem to think those rights involve all kinds of weird things.
If you take contraceptives, that means you want to run out and have orgies everywhere.
If you believe in gay rights, that means men will have sex with dogs.
If you believe women should make personal decisions over their own bodies, that means you will have an abortion every eight months.
Listen to Santorum. If drugs are legal, everyone will be strung out every day every where.
He, along with the right wing, feels only they are responsible, they must be responsible for everyone.

What an ass.

 

[Stephanie]

This is the problem with right wingers. Because liberals insist their rights should be left alone, right wingers seem to think those rights involve all kinds of weird things.
If you take contraceptives, that means you want to run out and have orgies everywhere.
If you believe in gay rights, that means men will have sex with dogs.
If you believe women should make personal decisions over their own bodies, that means you will have an abortion every eight months.
Listen to Santorum. If drugs are legal, everyone will be strung out every day every where.
He, along with the right wing, feels only they are responsible, they must be responsible for everyone.

What an ass.

oh boy..rdean spewing about how Republicans feels and SEES things again.
(sighs)

 

[whitehall]

Lefties have a peculiar idea of liberty. They wouldn't tolerate such behavior if the victims were horses or dolphins but they seem content to think that freedom extends to hiring a killer to snuff the life out of an unborn human. Why shouldn't states be allowed to outlaw such a practice if that's what the people want?

 

[Late2TheParty]

I believe Santorum is one of the most dangerous domestic (but nonviolent) enemies of the Constitution that we have.

He has the big spending of Bush/Obama and yet wants even more government.

 

[g5000]

They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues.

Anyone who believes the government belongs in your bedroom is someone to be feared.

 

[Toro]

Interesting that I've only posted Rick Santorum's actual words, yet his sychopants are attacking me and Andrew Sullivan!

Why is that?

Link and prove they are Santorums words. Otherwise, shut up.

People who can't follow links end up looking like assholes.


Rick Santorum v. Limited Government | Cato @ Liberty

And thank you for making me dig, so that I could also find this:


Santorum had already dismissed limited government in theory. Promoting his book, he told NPR in 2006:

One of the criticisms I make is to what I refer to as more of a libertarianish right. You know, the left has gone so far left and the right in some respects has gone so far right that they touch each other. They come around in the circle. This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don’t think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. You know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone. That there is no such society that I am aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture.
​

He declared himself against individualism, against libertarianism, against “this whole idea of personal autonomy, . . . this idea that people should be left alone.” And in [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03zFTTqHScI"]this 2005 TV interview[/ame], you can hear these classic hits: “This is the mantra of the left: I have a right to do what I want to do” and “We have a whole culture that is focused on immediate gratification and the pursuit of happiness . . . and it is harming America.”





Fool.

The CATO Institute? Those liberal assholes?

 

[Synthaholic]

why?....Sullivan's words are the typical hysterical hyperbole of the Left....

what Santorum basically said (if he said that) is that people cannot just go alone in society....to do whatever they want to do.....we live among other people....cultural issues affect the whole culture....conservatives know that RADICAL individualism will lead to anarchy (the libertarian view)....to be a working cohesive society we need rules....

sounds like Santorum is speaking like a conservative....

Sullivan is Rightwing. You just hate him because he's a queer.


True story!

And I've showed where Ricky said it.

Sullivan is a so-called "rightwinger" from England....who endorsed Obama......need i say more...?

Over McBush and the Bimbo. That was just common sense to not want to continue those failed policies - and that's exactly what McSame promised to do.

Last month, Sullivan endorsed Ron Paul - I even started a thread about it.

You are now 0-for-2 in this thread.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

This is the problem with right wingers. Because liberals insist their rights should be left alone, right wingers seem to think those rights involve all kinds of weird things.
If you take contraceptives, that means you want to run out and have orgies everywhere.
If you believe in gay rights, that means men will have sex with dogs.
If you believe women should make personal decisions over their own bodies, that means you will have an abortion every eight months.
Listen to Santorum. If drugs are legal, everyone will be strung out every day every where.
He, along with the right wing, feels only they are responsible, they must be responsible for everyone.

What an ass.

Of all of these clowns, Sanatorium is the worst. All of them want to take rights away from us, all of them want to pass lots and lots of laws to control our personal lives, all of them want higher and higher taxes for the poorest and the working class. They all want our money and our autonomy but -

But, Rick is the slimiest of them all with his "family values" out one side of his mouth and his sex and hush money scandal out the other side.

He's against contraception, against abortion and wants to charge states and individual women for their pregnancies. Any way you look at it, that means - no sex for anyone.

If he could, that pervert would drag us back to the 13th century.

Its not just that we should fight against being dragged back to the Dark Ages, we also cannot afford any more LIES from the Tax And Spend Repubs.

In contrast, Nooten Mittens would take only as far back as about the 18th or 19th century.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Rick Santorum, Christianist Frontrunner? - The Dish | By Andrew Sullivan - The Daily Beast



He is easily the politician most hostile to individual liberty on the right. He believes states have every right to ban contraception, all abortion, and any legal protections for gay couples. He disavows any secular, Enlightenent view of America's founding. For him, freedom only counts if you adhere to the current fundamentalist rigidity of the Benedict XVI church. I've cited this before, but here he is on freedom:

This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don’t think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. You know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone. That there is no such society that I am aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture.
​

Notice he explicitly cites the bedroom as the place where big government can intervene. If you are not reproducing as the Vatican demands, legal penalties are in principle possible. There is no public-private distinction. His mentor, Robbie George, takes the view that in principle, the state also has the right to penalize masturbation with criminal penalties, a position flushed out of him in the Prop 2 trial in Colorado. The only reason the two would not actively prosecute gay couples for having sex or straight couples for using condoms is for prudential reasons: it's not practical. But in theory, they'd have the Catholic church's most reactionary elements dictating your freedoms.


If you believe in individual freedom, this country has no greater opponent than Rick Santorum. And for three years, the GOP has tried to tell us that the Tea Party was about extending freedom and ending debt rather than extending the power of Christianist Big Government. We know better now.

And, thanks for this link.

 

[Peach]

Rick Santorum, Christianist Frontrunner? - The Dish | By Andrew Sullivan - The Daily Beast



He is easily the politician most hostile to individual liberty on the right. He believes states have every right to ban contraception, all abortion, and any legal protections for gay couples. He disavows any secular, Enlightenent view of America's founding. For him, freedom only counts if you adhere to the current fundamentalist rigidity of the Benedict XVI church. I've cited this before, but here he is on freedom:

This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don’t think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. You know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone. That there is no such society that I am aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture.
​

Notice he explicitly cites the bedroom as the place where big government can intervene. If you are not reproducing as the Vatican demands, legal penalties are in principle possible. There is no public-private distinction. His mentor, Robbie George, takes the view that in principle, the state also has the right to penalize masturbation with criminal penalties, a position flushed out of him in the Prop 2 trial in Colorado. The only reason the two would not actively prosecute gay couples for having sex or straight couples for using condoms is for prudential reasons: it's not practical. But in theory, they'd have the Catholic church's most reactionary elements dictating your freedoms.


If you believe in individual freedom, this country has no greater opponent than Rick Santorum. And for three years, the GOP has tried to tell us that the Tea Party was about extending freedom and ending debt rather than extending the power of Christianist Big Government. We know better now.

And, thanks for this link.

Santorum supports both foreign aid AND education. Also, many other programs that help the poor and afflicted; THAT could kill him with Republicans today:

In a CNN interview the day before his opponent's success in Iowa, Rep. Ron Paul went so far as to categorize Santorum as "very liberal." When asked to explain further, Paul's son, U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, responded, "He voted to double the size of the Department of Education. He voted to expand Medicare and add free drugs for senior citizens and he has voted for foreign aid." Paul's website warns that "Rick Santorum is a lifelong big-government Republican."

Let us leave aside the issues of education and Medicare. Both are arguably important to our area, given our large number of assistance-eligible citizens, the recent budget cuts to the Erie School District, and the many new teachers certified each year at the Edinboro University of Pennsylvania. As pertinent as these concerns are, however, it is Santorum's support of foreign aid that should win him the vote of Erie's Republicans.

Support of foreign aid is a political smoke screen used by opponents and the media to paint a candidate as a careless spender who is not prioritizing American interests. However, this assumption is based on widespread misconceptions perpetuated by politicians for self-serving ends.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Interesting that I've only posted Rick Santorum's actual words, yet his sychopants are attacking me and Andrew Sullivan!

Why is that?

Oh, I agree with you. Santorum is anti-liberty on many issues and he won't be getting my vote. However, I also agree with the others here who called you a hypocrite because you are just as anti-liberty as Santorum, just on different issues.

 

[whitehall]

Don't try that Alinsky stuff John Wayne Gacy, you ain't smart enough.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Sullivan is Rightwing. You just hate him because he's a queer.


True story!

And I've showed where Ricky said it.

Sullivan is a so-called "rightwinger" from England....who endorsed Obama......need i say more...?

Over McBush and the Bimbo. That was just common sense to not want to continue those failed policies - and that's exactly what McSame promised to do.

Last month, Sullivan endorsed Ron Paul - I even started a thread about it.

You are now 0-for-2 in this thread.

dream on....

even though one couldn't stand McPain (i sure didn't)......a real conservative would not vote for an anti-American marxist muslim if they have half a brain....but Sullivan is half RINO and.... with all due respect to Paul....endorsing him just shows Sullivan to be another typical fruitcake.....

 

[Synthaholic]

Interesting that I've only posted Rick Santorum's actual words, yet his sychopants are attacking me and Andrew Sullivan!

Why is that?

Oh, I agree with you. Santorum is anti-liberty on many issues and he won't be getting my vote. However, I also agree with the others here who called you a hypocrite because you are just as anti-liberty as Santorum, just on different issues.

Really? Which ones?

 

[Synthaholic]

Don't try that Alinsky stuff John Wayne Gacy, you ain't smart enough.

If you had half a brain you'd be dangerous.

 

[oreo]

Rick Santorum, Christianist Frontrunner? - The Dish | By Andrew Sullivan - The Daily Beast



He is easily the politician most hostile to individual liberty on the right. He believes states have every right to ban contraception, all abortion, and any legal protections for gay couples. He disavows any secular, Enlightenent view of America's founding. For him, freedom only counts if you adhere to the current fundamentalist rigidity of the Benedict XVI church. I've cited this before, but here he is on freedom:

This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don’t think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. You know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone. That there is no such society that I am aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture.
​

Notice he explicitly cites the bedroom as the place where big government can intervene. If you are not reproducing as the Vatican demands, legal penalties are in principle possible. There is no public-private distinction. His mentor, Robbie George, takes the view that in principle, the state also has the right to penalize masturbation with criminal penalties, a position flushed out of him in the Prop 2 trial in Colorado. The only reason the two would not actively prosecute gay couples for having sex or straight couples for using condoms is for prudential reasons: it's not practical. But in theory, they'd have the Catholic church's most reactionary elements dictating your freedoms.


If you believe in individual freedom, this country has no greater opponent than Rick Santorum. And for three years, the GOP has tried to tell us that the Tea Party was about extending freedom and ending debt rather than extending the power of Christianist Big Government. We know better now.

Santorum says states should be able to BAN contraceptives?? Well I guess if men no longer wanted sex that would happen--

But hey, I am a FISCAL conservative & agree with the opt on this. Santorum is one social freak NUT-CASE--that would be certain to lose to Barack Obama. In fact that's the ONLY thing he is actually a conservative on.

Santorums EARMARK record is horrible--using it for pay to play--aka you make a large campaign donation to me & I'll make certain you get an earmark for a project. His voting record says BIG SPENDER--& Paul outed him as one of the top ten that took more from Washington D. C. Lobbyists than anyone.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/16/u...-donations-flowed-in.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

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