Santorum Accuses Obama Of 'Snobbery' For Wanting All U.S. Kids To Attend College

[Cecilie1200]

Rubbish!

The fact is indisputable. Name one thing it does that isn't based on force.

Trade negotiations?

You clearly know nothing about trade negotiations.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Has Obama said that?

Uh, yeah, Einstein. That would be what "everyone should go to college" means: that only college is valid and worthwhile.

Just how obtuse and illiterate are you willing to make yourself appear in service to Obama, anyway?

It's perhaps revealing that you use Einstein as an insult in a thread about education.

Did he say

everyone should go to college

?

What it just revealed is that you don't recognize sarcasm when it drops on your head like a cartoon anvil.

 

[idb]

Uh, yeah, Einstein. That would be what "everyone should go to college" means: that only college is valid and worthwhile.

Just how obtuse and illiterate are you willing to make yourself appear in service to Obama, anyway?

It's perhaps revealing that you use Einstein as an insult in a thread about education.

Did he say

everyone should go to college

?

What it just revealed is that you don't recognize sarcasm when it drops on your head like a cartoon anvil.

Same back at ya Wile E.

 

[idb]

The fact is indisputable. Name one thing it does that isn't based on force.

Trade negotiations?

You clearly know nothing about trade negotiations.

Please, enlighten me.

 

[Cecilie1200]

In my experience, a person with a PhD is extremely well-educated . . . in one narrow field. And they tend to be unable to wipe their own asses without a diagram and instructions from Houston Control otherwise. There's a reason why universities employ slews of secretaries and assistants: so they can bring the PhDs in out of the rain so they don't drown.

You are about as naive and gullible as they come if you believe that.
My father earned his PHD after he was a Captain USMC in WWII. He landed at Tinnian and Saipan, took those islands and his troop carrier was hit by a kamikazee offloading his troops at Okinawa.
He received his PHD in education at Cornell in 1948 and was called back for active duty for Korea as he was in the reserves. He taught college many years and worked for the College Etrance Examination Board. One of the things he did was go into high schools in Alabama and Tennessee and make sure blacks were allowed to take the SAT as they were banned from it. He and Ben Cameron and Ben Gibson. Look it up. Those dudes were scared of NO ONE.
Dad lettered in 4 sports in 1939-42 at Guilford College before he went to the Pacific.
He and most of other folks that I know that have a PHD do and have done the ass kicking and take names doing it.
You have it ass backerds on this one.
You listen to Rush and Sean too much. Hint: THEY LIE FOR RATINGS.

Cecilie's suggestion that educated people are unable to operate on a practical level is often raised as a self-defence mechanism to compensate for their own feelings of inadequacy.
I've seen it many times.

Her use of 'Einstein' as a pejorative just confirms it.

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that, Illiteracy Lad. Whatever keeps the gun barrel out of your mouth.

 

[bodecea]

You are about as naive and gullible as they come if you believe that.
My father earned his PHD after he was a Captain USMC in WWII. He landed at Tinnian and Saipan, took those islands and his troop carrier was hit by a kamikazee offloading his troops at Okinawa.
He received his PHD in education at Cornell in 1948 and was called back for active duty for Korea as he was in the reserves. He taught college many years and worked for the College Etrance Examination Board. One of the things he did was go into high schools in Alabama and Tennessee and make sure blacks were allowed to take the SAT as they were banned from it. He and Ben Cameron and Ben Gibson. Look it up. Those dudes were scared of NO ONE.
Dad lettered in 4 sports in 1939-42 at Guilford College before he went to the Pacific.
He and most of other folks that I know that have a PHD do and have done the ass kicking and take names doing it.
You have it ass backerds on this one.
You listen to Rush and Sean too much. Hint: THEY LIE FOR RATINGS.

Cecilie's suggestion that educated people are unable to operate on a practical level is often raised as a self-defence mechanism to compensate for their own feelings of inadequacy.
I've seen it many times.

Her use of 'Einstein' as a pejorative just confirms it.

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that, Illiteracy Lad. Whatever keeps the gun barrel out of your mouth.

Mega-Irony!

 

[idb]

You are about as naive and gullible as they come if you believe that.
My father earned his PHD after he was a Captain USMC in WWII. He landed at Tinnian and Saipan, took those islands and his troop carrier was hit by a kamikazee offloading his troops at Okinawa.
He received his PHD in education at Cornell in 1948 and was called back for active duty for Korea as he was in the reserves. He taught college many years and worked for the College Etrance Examination Board. One of the things he did was go into high schools in Alabama and Tennessee and make sure blacks were allowed to take the SAT as they were banned from it. He and Ben Cameron and Ben Gibson. Look it up. Those dudes were scared of NO ONE.
Dad lettered in 4 sports in 1939-42 at Guilford College before he went to the Pacific.
He and most of other folks that I know that have a PHD do and have done the ass kicking and take names doing it.
You have it ass backerds on this one.
You listen to Rush and Sean too much. Hint: THEY LIE FOR RATINGS.

Cecilie's suggestion that educated people are unable to operate on a practical level is often raised as a self-defence mechanism to compensate for their own feelings of inadequacy.
I've seen it many times.

Her use of 'Einstein' as a pejorative just confirms it.

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that, Illiteracy Lad. Whatever keeps the gun barrel out of your mouth.

I don't need to keep telling myself that...I don't care about your low level of self-esteem.
In fact I doubt that I'll give it another thought.

 

[chanel]

Santorum is planning ahead to a future where we need uneducated Americans to work for less than minimum wage in order to keep the 1% comfy.

Obama is wanting to compete on the world stage. He's remembering a time when parents wanted their children to have a better life than hey had and he wants to see that USA strong again. He wants to go from 22% of our students graduating from college to something more like the figure that Norway and North Korea enjoy. President Obama must be stopped from this horrid future of education and intelligence he has for us.

Santorum is right. We'll always be able to work for Norwegians or North Koreans. And, heck, for those who aren't lucky enough to get those cushy jobs, they can always work as greeters at WalMart or burger flippers at McDonald's. No doubt about it, Santorum is just trying to make sure we all have jobs in the future.

Norway and North Korea? That's the system the President would like to see? Are you calling the President a Marxist? Tsk, tsk.

It's interesting to see the Obamabots rebuttals here. It's either "College for All" is a terrific idea, and anyone who disagrees is a stupid, racist, nutjob. Or: Obama does not want that, and anyone who says so is a stupid, racist, nutjob.

Or: We need to be more like North Korea.

USMB can be so entertaining.

 

[KSigMason]

Does 100% of the population need to attend college?

No, college is a place of higher education and you should prove that you deserve to be there. Liberals just want to hand everything to everyone. IMO, there are far too many unqualified people attending college.

Good grief, this couintry is in deep trouble.

Yes, due to the leftists education policies.

 

[chanel]

Yes and there isn't a country on earth who has better "access" to higher ed. than the U.S. College may be free in socialist states, but you need to be awfully smart to get in. In fact, you need to be awfully smart to get into an academic high school.

In China, government assistance is based on test scores. It is not "free". Under that system, a poor kid from a shitty school in the ghetto would have to pay more - if they are even accepted.

Perhaps that's the system the Marxists would like to see here? After all, we are competing with China.

 

[Ravi]

Santorum is planning ahead to a future where we need uneducated Americans to work for less than minimum wage in order to keep the 1% comfy.

Obama is wanting to compete on the world stage. He's remembering a time when parents wanted their children to have a better life than hey had and he wants to see that USA strong again. He wants to go from 22% of our students graduating from college to something more like the figure that Norway and North Korea enjoy. President Obama must be stopped from this horrid future of education and intelligence he has for us.

Santorum is right. We'll always be able to work for Norwegians or North Koreans. And, heck, for those who aren't lucky enough to get those cushy jobs, they can always work as greeters at WalMart or burger flippers at McDonald's. No doubt about it, Santorum is just trying to make sure we all have jobs in the future.

Norway and North Korea? That's the system the President would like to see? Are you calling the President a Marxist? Tsk, tsk.

It's interesting to see the Obamabots rebuttals here. It's either "College for All" is a terrific idea, and anyone who disagrees is a stupid, racist, nutjob. Or: Obama does not want that, and anyone who says so is a stupid, racist, nutjob.

Or: We need to be more like North Korea.

USMB can be so entertaining.

The point is not college for all. The point is the OPPORTUNITY to attend college should be available to anyone.

And it should be. This is America after all.

 

[chanel]

And it is.

Hey Ravi - suppose two students with similar scores are accepted to the same school. Student "A" is from a poor family with no assets. Student "B" is from an upper middle class family but they refuse to pay for college. Who is in the better position? Equal "opportunity" or "educational equity"?

There is no such thing as absolute fairness. And the only way to completely level the playing field is to make it free. Is that what you and the president support?

 

[idb]

Santorum is planning ahead to a future where we need uneducated Americans to work for less than minimum wage in order to keep the 1% comfy.

Obama is wanting to compete on the world stage. He's remembering a time when parents wanted their children to have a better life than hey had and he wants to see that USA strong again. He wants to go from 22% of our students graduating from college to something more like the figure that Norway and North Korea enjoy. President Obama must be stopped from this horrid future of education and intelligence he has for us.

Santorum is right. We'll always be able to work for Norwegians or North Koreans. And, heck, for those who aren't lucky enough to get those cushy jobs, they can always work as greeters at WalMart or burger flippers at McDonald's. No doubt about it, Santorum is just trying to make sure we all have jobs in the future.

Norway and North Korea? That's the system the President would like to see? Are you calling the President a Marxist? Tsk, tsk.

It's interesting to see the Obamabots rebuttals here. It's either "College for All" is a terrific idea, and anyone who disagrees is a stupid, racist, nutjob. Or: Obama does not want that, and anyone who says so is a stupid, racist, nutjob.

Or: We need to be more like North Korea.

USMB can be so entertaining.

No, on the evidence to date, I'd say that anyone that says the president is calling for college for everyone is a stupid nutjob.
Ill take it back if someone can show me a quote otherwise.

 

[Ravi]

I don't support making it free. I've no idea if Obama does or not.

 

[bripat9643]

I can see this discussion going around in circles.
I can't be bothered getting into it any further.

Translation: you know you lost.

Your general contention is that governments are at best inept and at worst malevolent.

How depressing.

What's "depressing" about it?

Consider an analogy. Tigers are dangerous animals. There's nothing depressing about that. it's just a fact that you have to consider whenever you have any dealings with tigers. The same goes for government. Of course, those who want to keep tigers as house pets and those who want to use government to solve every social problem find the facts "depressing."

 

[chanel]

Santorum is planning ahead to a future where we need uneducated Americans to work for less than minimum wage in order to keep the 1% comfy.

Obama is wanting to compete on the world stage. He's remembering a time when parents wanted their children to have a better life than hey had and he wants to see that USA strong again. He wants to go from 22% of our students graduating from college to something more like the figure that Norway and North Korea enjoy. President Obama must be stopped from this horrid future of education and intelligence he has for us.

Santorum is right. We'll always be able to work for Norwegians or North Koreans. And, heck, for those who aren't lucky enough to get those cushy jobs, they can always work as greeters at WalMart or burger flippers at McDonald's. No doubt about it, Santorum is just trying to make sure we all have jobs in the future.

Norway and North Korea? That's the system the President would like to see? Are you calling the President a Marxist? Tsk, tsk.

It's interesting to see the Obamabots rebuttals here. It's either "College for All" is a terrific idea, and anyone who disagrees is a stupid, racist, nutjob. Or: Obama does not want that, and anyone who says so is a stupid, racist, nutjob.

Or: We need to be more like North Korea.

USMB can be so entertaining.

No, on the evidence to date, I'd say that anyone that says the president is calling for college for everyone is a stupid nutjob.
Ill take it back if someone can show me a quote otherwise.

You are quite the stubborn one. Here is an article from Inside Higher Ed.

President Obama issued a powerful challenge to his own administration and to individual citizens Tuesday night, calling on every American to "commit" to attending at least one year of college so that the country can reclaim its mantle as the best educated nation in the world.

"[W]e will provide the support necessary for you to complete college and meet a new goal: by 2020, America will once again have the highest proportion of college graduates in the world," the president said in his first speech to a joint session of Congress.

"But whatever the training may be, every American will need to get more than a high school diploma," he continued.

The other part of the equation is impressing on individual citizens the importance of getting an education and making clear that going to college is not only possible, but necessary.

And on that score, Hartle said, "it's hard to imagine a more forceful argument" than Obama made Tuesday.

Read more: College for All | Inside Higher Ed
Inside Higher Ed

 

[chanel]

Santorum is planning ahead to a future where we need uneducated Americans to work for less than minimum wage in order to keep the 1% comfy.

Obama is wanting to compete on the world stage. He's remembering a time when parents wanted their children to have a better life than hey had and he wants to see that USA strong again. He wants to go from 22% of our students graduating from college to something more like the figure that Norway and North Korea enjoy. President Obama must be stopped from this horrid future of education and intelligence he has for us.

Santorum is right. We'll always be able to work for Norwegians or North Koreans. And, heck, for those who aren't lucky enough to get those cushy jobs, they can always work as greeters at WalMart or burger flippers at McDonald's. No doubt about it, Santorum is just trying to make sure we all have jobs in the future.

Norway and North Korea? That's the system the President would like to see? Are you calling the President a Marxist? Tsk, tsk.

It's interesting to see the Obamabots rebuttals here. It's either "College for All" is a terrific idea, and anyone who disagrees is a stupid, racist, nutjob. Or: Obama does not want that, and anyone who says so is a stupid, racist, nutjob.

Or: We need to be more like North Korea.

USMB can be so entertaining.

No, on the evidence to date, I'd say that anyone that says the president is calling for college for everyone is a stupid nutjob.
Ill take it back if someone can show me a quote otherwise.

"Oh no he didn't"

Redirect Notice

 

[idb]

Norway and North Korea? That's the system the President would like to see? Are you calling the President a Marxist? Tsk, tsk.

It's interesting to see the Obamabots rebuttals here. It's either "College for All" is a terrific idea, and anyone who disagrees is a stupid, racist, nutjob. Or: Obama does not want that, and anyone who says so is a stupid, racist, nutjob.

Or: We need to be more like North Korea.

USMB can be so entertaining.

No, on the evidence to date, I'd say that anyone that says the president is calling for college for everyone is a stupid nutjob.
Ill take it back if someone can show me a quote otherwise.

You are quite the stubborn one. Here is an article from Inside Higher Ed.

President Obama issued a powerful challenge to his own administration and to individual citizens Tuesday night, calling on every American to "commit" to attending at least one year of college so that the country can reclaim its mantle as the best educated nation in the world.

"[W]e will provide the support necessary for you to complete college and meet a new goal: by 2020, America will once again have the highest proportion of college graduates in the world," the president said in his first speech to a joint session of Congress.

"But whatever the training may be, every American will need to get more than a high school diploma," he continued.

The other part of the equation is impressing on individual citizens the importance of getting an education and making clear that going to college is not only possible, but necessary.

And on that score, Hartle said, "it's hard to imagine a more forceful argument" than Obama made Tuesday.

Read more: College for All | Inside Higher Ed
Inside Higher Ed

Thank you Chanel.

 

[idb]

I can see this discussion going around in circles.
I can't be bothered getting into it any further.

Translation: you know you lost.

Your general contention is that governments are at best inept and at worst malevolent.

How depressing.

What's "depressing" about it?

Consider an analogy. Tigers are dangerous animals. There's nothing depressing about that. it's just a fact that you have to consider whenever you have any dealings with tigers. The same goes for government. Of course, those who want to keep tigers as house pets and those who want to use government to solve every social problem find the facts "depressing."

Translate it however you like, it's pointless arguing your contention when your starting point is that it's an immutable fact.

 

[bripat9643]

I can see this discussion going around in circles.
I can't be bothered getting into it any further.

Translation: you know you lost.

Your general contention is that governments are at best inept and at worst malevolent.

How depressing.

What's "depressing" about it?

Consider an analogy. Tigers are dangerous animals. There's nothing depressing about that. it's just a fact that you have to consider whenever you have any dealings with tigers. The same goes for government. Of course, those who want to keep tigers as house pets and those who want to use government to solve every social problem find the facts "depressing."

Translate it however you like, it's pointless arguing your contention when your starting point is that it's an immutable fact.

It's far from pointless. Just show it's not a fact. Provide some example of government doing something that doesn't require the use of force.

Apparently you are concede my claim that everything government does is based on compulsion. You just find it "depressing."