Sanders lead Trump by 21% in new CNN poll

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Sanders lead Trump by 21% in new CNN poll"

Neither Sanders nor Trump will be their respective party's nominee.

 

[Kondor3]

CNN has long-since morphed into a Leftist media outlet (Anderson, Cuomo, et al).

They are about as reliable on such matters as a condemned man's opinion on the subject of capital punishment.

I do not trust them to provide objective data in any Left-vs-Right beauty contest.

Go back and find and serve-up some objective data along those lines, and maybe I (and a great many others) will give the findings a little more credence.

The CNN polls are conducted by ORC, which is independent.

CNN has a pretty darned solid polling record. It is considerably better than Rasmussen, Pulse or Gravis. Also decidedly better than Mason-Dixon or Insider Advantage.

I stand corrected, regarding the source of the poll, and retract what I said about its reliability.

I stand by my remarks, perceiving CNN of having morphed into a Leftist media outlet.

A little give, a little take.

 

[Statistikhengst]

The three big CNN end polls from 2012:

CO, Obama +2, Obama won by +5.4, CNN picked the winner, but was off to the RIGHT by 3.4 points.
FL, Romney +1, Obama won by +1, CNN missed the call in FL and was off by 2 points to the RIGHT.
OH, Obama +3, Obama won by +3, bullseye.

Statistikhengst s ELECTORAL POLITICS - 2015 and beyond End Polling Table - USA - alphabetical by pollster

Sometimes, the hourglass form helps to visualize this all better:

Statistikhengst s ELECTORAL POLITICS - 2015 and beyond End Polling Table - USA - hourglass form

 

[NYcarbineer]

YAWN
at least three different republicans beat hillary in 3 different electoral-vote rich states in head to head match-ups

lol, but they can't beat Trump. dumbass.

 

[NYcarbineer]

CNN has long-since morphed into a Leftist media outlet (Anderson, Cuomo, et al).

They are about as reliable on such matters as a condemned man's opinion on the subject of capital punishment.

I do not trust them to provide objective data in any Left-vs-Right beauty contest, such as Trump vs. Sanders.

Go back and find and serve-up some objective data along those lines, and maybe I (and a great many others) will give the findings a little more credence.

lol, show us where and how the poll is biased.

 

[LoneLaugher]

CNN has long-since morphed into a Leftist media outlet (Anderson, Cuomo, et al).

They are about as reliable on such matters as a condemned man's opinion on the subject of capital punishment.

I do not trust them to provide objective data in any Left-vs-Right beauty contest.

Go back and find and serve-up some objective data along those lines, and maybe I (and a great many others) will give the findings a little more credence.

The CNN polls are conducted by ORC, which is independent.

CNN has a pretty darned solid polling record. It is considerably better than Rasmussen, Pulse or Gravis. Also decidedly better than Mason-Dixon or Insider Advantage.

I stand corrected, regarding the source of the poll, and retract what I said about its reliability.

I stand by my remarks, perceiving CNN of having morphed into a Leftist media outlet.

A little give, a little take.

Have you ever watched Cuomo?

 

[PredFan]

Hillary Clinton likewise kicks Trump's ass by a smaller yet still huge 16%.

this may be an indication that leading the party of crazies is much easier than leading in a general election.
2016 -- Conducted July 22-25 2016

You just aren't capable of thought are you?

 

[hortysir]

The three big CNN end polls from 2012:

CO, Obama +2, Obama won by +5.4, CNN picked the winner, but was off to the RIGHT by 3.4 points.
FL, Romney +1, Obama won by +1, CNN missed the call in FL and was off by 2 points to the RIGHT.
OH, Obama +3, Obama won by +3, bullseye.

Statistikhengst s ELECTORAL POLITICS - 2015 and beyond End Polling Table - USA - alphabetical by pollster name

But you're talking the same year as the election
We're 16 months out
16 months out in the 08 election it was Hillary verses Rudy

 

[Statistikhengst]

Hillary Clinton likewise kicks Trump's ass by a smaller yet still huge 16%.

this may be an indication that leading the party of crazies is much easier than leading in a general election.
2016 -- Conducted July 22-25 2016

You just aren't capable of thought are you?

Do you claim that this data does not exist?

 

[bedowin62]

YAWN
at least three different republicans beat hillary in 3 different electoral-vote rich states in head to head match-ups

lol, but they can't beat Trump. dumbass.

more than a year to go..........................DUMBASS

 

[Statistikhengst]

The three big CNN end polls from 2012:

CO, Obama +2, Obama won by +5.4, CNN picked the winner, but was off to the RIGHT by 3.4 points.
FL, Romney +1, Obama won by +1, CNN missed the call in FL and was off by 2 points to the RIGHT.
OH, Obama +3, Obama won by +3, bullseye.

Statistikhengst s ELECTORAL POLITICS - 2015 and beyond End Polling Table - USA - alphabetical by pollster name

But you're talking the same year as the election
We're 16 months out
16 months out in the 08 election it was Hillary verses Rudy

True, but in 2011 going into 2012, Obama's numbers were amazingly consistent, just as Hillary's numbers have been for the last 2.5 years.

And it's not as if CNN changes it's method right before a GE. It's numbers, as I have already indicated, are pretty darned good. Not as good as PPP or SUSA, but pretty good.

 

[tinydancer]

Has anyone else pulled up the poll? Because I did and maybe it's not loading right for me but I don't get the OP's contention that Sanders is leading Trump.

Not at all.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Yes, I have already read the entire poll.

 

[tinydancer]

Hillary Clinton likewise kicks Trump's ass by a smaller yet still huge 16%.

this may be an indication that leading the party of crazies is much easier than leading in a general election.
2016 -- Conducted July 22-25 2016

Put up the methodology for the poll. All I can find is that they interviewed 898 registered voters.

That's not good enough. I want to know how many interviewed were D's, R's and Indy's.

Otherwise the poll means nothing.

 

[tinydancer]

Yes, I have already read the entire poll.

What's the methodology Stats? I can't get it to load past page 3.

 

[Statistikhengst]

tinydancer

 

[tinydancer]

Page 3 is showing Trump's favorability at 33% and Bernie's at 23%.

 

[tinydancer]

tinydancer

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TY!

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Honestly, I'm kind of resigned to the fact that a democrat will win. Unfortunately, this country will find out how bad it is going to get.

Wasn't it gonna get horrible if Obama won?

You mean it's been good ?

Wow.....