Salon: Bolt Action Rifles are Military Grade Killing Machines, Ban Them

[danielpalos]

no, it doesn't. there are no individual terms in our Second Amendment. And we should have no security problems in our free States, that is why we have Government.

Yes there is

" The right of the people "

Which applies strictly to individuals

No, it doesn't. The People and the Militia are collective and plural not Individual.

The Supreme Court disagrees with you.

Our Second Amendment is Express not Implied. We have a Ninth Amendment. Any questions?

And you are wrong as the second amendment clearly expresses and the courts have proven.

Our Ninth Amendment is Express not Implied. Any questions?

 

[danielpalos]

So? The intent of the Second Amendment was to put the average citizen on a equal footing with the common soldier. The intent was for citizens to possess military weapons. Whether it be muskets, lever action rifles, bolt action rifles, handguns, full auto, and anything else a foot soldier would carry.

The right wing whines about taxes and tries to cut social services for the Poor not the Richest.

We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.

 

[Pilot1]

The Founders wanted to make government have to think twice about becoming tyrannical, abusive, and oppressive. That is why they wanted citizens to have the ability to be legally armed. Yes, the citizens may lose, but it would make a tyrannical government have to pay a price, and bullies usually don't want to do that.

 

[danielpalos]

The Founders wanted to make government have to think twice about becoming tyrannical, abusive, and oppressive. That is why they wanted citizens to have the ability to be legally armed. Yes, the citizens may lose, but it would make a tyrannical government have to pay a price, and bullies usually don't want to do that.

Our Second Amendment is about the security of our free States.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

“Saturday Night Specials” (cheap handguns) = Bad, must be banned

“Military Style Handguns” (expensive handguns) = Bad, must be banned

“Assault Weapons” (inaccurate, short-range rifles) = Bad, must be banned

“Sniper Rifles” (accurate, long-range rifles) = Bad, must be banned

Anybody who plays along is a fool.

Salon: Now No One Needs Bolt Action Rifles Either - The Truth About Guns

BUT...BUT....

NOBODY WANTS TO BAN ALL GUNS!!!!



I am so fucking sick of that fucking lie.

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[danielpalos]

“Saturday Night Specials” (cheap handguns) = Bad, must be banned

“Military Style Handguns” (expensive handguns) = Bad, must be banned

“Assault Weapons” (inaccurate, short-range rifles) = Bad, must be banned

“Sniper Rifles” (accurate, long-range rifles) = Bad, must be banned

Anybody who plays along is a fool.

Salon: Now No One Needs Bolt Action Rifles Either - The Truth About Guns

BUT...BUT....

NOBODY WANTS TO BAN ALL GUNS!!!!



I am so fucking sick of that fucking lie.

.

We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.

Don't grab guns, grab gun lovers and regulate them well!

 

[Pilot1]

It is unnatural to not procreate. It is a normal human desire to propagate his/her species. To resist and refuse is abnormal.
I am abnormal. However I have chosen for very selfish reasons to not do so. I am a perpetual child who only seeks self gratification. I refuse to sacrifice for the benefit of race or culture. So, I have none.

All State and Local gun laws are Unconstitutional as they are clear INFRINGEMENTS on our natural right as are many Federal Laws. The corrupt, activist courts have upheld them for many decades, and that needs to change.

So you think that a 6 year old should have the legal right to take a gun to school. Good one! Try taking your gun through a metal detector and when you`re stopped give the police your "infringement" lecture. Cops enjoy a good laugh now and then I`m sure.

Retirement systems need population growth to sustains themselves. If populations don't grow, then pensions won't pay out what has been promised. Therefore, people who don't have kids should get less SS.

population growth USA

1940 132 mill

1950 152 mill

1960 180 mill

1970 205 mill

1980 226 mill

1990 250 mill

2000 282 mill

2010 309 mill


I see no problem

That growth is from immigration.

The fact is, if we actually ended immigration, we would be in the same situation as Japan, with a dramatically falling population.

what would be wrong with that??

nothing says we have to increase all the time let alone decrease,,,

Collectivism, and socialist programs can’t survive population stagnation; much less a decreasing tax base...

Public education is a socialist program.

The Founders wanted to make government have to think twice about becoming tyrannical, abusive, and oppressive. That is why they wanted citizens to have the ability to be legally armed. Yes, the citizens may lose, but it would make a tyrannical government have to pay a price, and bullies usually don't want to do that.

Our Second Amendment is about the security of our free States.

Yes, and that FREEDOM requires that citizens have the ability to hold their government accountable, and be able to protect themselves from government over reach, and abuse from governments both foreign and domestic.

 

[anynameyouwish]

It is unnatural to not procreate. It is a normal human desire to propagate his/her species. To resist and refuse is abnormal.
I am abnormal. However I have chosen for very selfish reasons to not do so. I am a perpetual child who only seeks self gratification. I refuse to sacrifice for the benefit of race or culture. So, I have none.

All State and Local gun laws are Unconstitutional as they are clear INFRINGEMENTS on our natural right as are many Federal Laws. The corrupt, activist courts have upheld them for many decades, and that needs to change.

So you think that a 6 year old should have the legal right to take a gun to school. Good one! Try taking your gun through a metal detector and when you`re stopped give the police your "infringement" lecture. Cops enjoy a good laugh now and then I`m sure.

population growth USA

1940 132 mill

1950 152 mill

1960 180 mill

1970 205 mill

1980 226 mill

1990 250 mill

2000 282 mill

2010 309 mill


I see no problem

That growth is from immigration.

The fact is, if we actually ended immigration, we would be in the same situation as Japan, with a dramatically falling population.

what would be wrong with that??

nothing says we have to increase all the time let alone decrease,,,

Collectivism, and socialist programs can’t survive population stagnation; much less a decreasing tax base...

Public education is a socialist program.

The Founders wanted to make government have to think twice about becoming tyrannical, abusive, and oppressive. That is why they wanted citizens to have the ability to be legally armed. Yes, the citizens may lose, but it would make a tyrannical government have to pay a price, and bullies usually don't want to do that.

Our Second Amendment is about the security of our free States.

Yes, and that FREEDOM requires that citizens have the ability to hold their government accountable, and be able to protect themselves from government over reach, and abuse from governments both foreign and domestic.

"Yes, and that FREEDOM requires that citizens have the ability to hold their government accountable, and be able to protect themselves from government over reach, and abuse from governments both foreign and domestic."

agreed.

and that includes accountablity for over reaches from the LEFT OR THE RIGHT!

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I have absolutely zero problem with a person owning a bolt action rifle.

Not only are they more accurate than semi automatics, but it takes a lot longer than 30 seconds to throw 30 rounds downrange. If we had only bolt action rifles, mass shootings would be a thing of the past.

I wouldn't go that far, if all semi-autos were banned, the crazies would switch to pump-action shot-guns.

I have absolutely zero problem with a person owning a bolt action rifle.

Not only are they more accurate than semi automatics, but it takes a lot longer than 30 seconds to throw 30 rounds downrange. If we had only bolt action rifles, mass shootings would be a thing of the past.

Wrong...

Cumbria....Britain......13 dead, pump action shotgun and bolt action rifle...it is the gun free zone target that allows for the killing, not the gun.

Cumbria shootings - Wikipedia

I have absolutely zero problem with a person owning a bolt action rifle.

Not only are they more accurate than semi automatics, but it takes a lot longer than 30 seconds to throw 30 rounds downrange. If we had only bolt action rifles, mass shootings would be a thing of the past.

Texas shooting....10 dead, pump action shotgun, revolver...

Texas school shooter used shotgun, pistol in deadly assault

used two firearms: a shotgun and .38 caliber revolver, both of which he got from his father. Ten were left dead, mostly students.

I have absolutely zero problem with a person owning a bolt action rifle.

Not only are they more accurate than semi automatics, but it takes a lot longer than 30 seconds to throw 30 rounds downrange. If we had only bolt action rifles, mass shootings would be a thing of the past.

You sure Charles Whitman shot and killed 16 people and wounded 31 others using primarly a bolt action rifle someone who knows how to shoot can be just as deadly with a bolt action rifle as anyone with an AR-15 or similar type rifle.

Okay, so according to you guys, if semi automatic rifles are banned, the crazies are just gonna shift to pump action shotguns and lever action rifles? Well, considering that shotguns have a much shorter range than rifles, as well as the fact that they don't carry that many rounds, you might still have a few people killed, but the body count would be much less than if it was an AR-15 with a 30 round mag.

As far as using a lever action rifle? Again, they don't hold nearly as many rounds, and while a person who practices quite a bit with one MIGHT become proficient enough to do a mass shooting, your average person wouldn't. To get good enough to throw a lot of rounds down range in a short amount of time requires a lot of practice. Yes..................I've seen some of the YouTube videos showing professionals who are very good at what they do, but I can assure you.......they didn't just pick up the weapon and start throwing high amounts of lead down range. There was a lot of practice that came first.

Pffft....I could nail you with a slug at 150 yards.

 

[August West]

The Founders wanted to make government have to think twice about becoming tyrannical, abusive, and oppressive. That is why they wanted citizens to have the ability to be legally armed. Yes, the citizens may lose, but it would make a tyrannical government have to pay a price, and bullies usually don't want to do that.

The Founders wanted us to be able to shoot our elected officials if we think they`re tyrannical etc.? That`s incredibly stupid. I have a Senator from 2 different political parties but how do I know which one I`m supposed to murder. Should I kill them both? Who is it that`s feeding you morons this kind of shit?

 

[Pilot1]

I have absolutely zero problem with a person owning a bolt action rifle.

Not only are they more accurate than semi automatics, but it takes a lot longer than 30 seconds to throw 30 rounds downrange. If we had only bolt action rifles, mass shootings would be a thing of the past.

I wouldn't go that far, if all semi-autos were banned, the crazies would switch to pump-action shot-guns.

I have absolutely zero problem with a person owning a bolt action rifle.

Not only are they more accurate than semi automatics, but it takes a lot longer than 30 seconds to throw 30 rounds downrange. If we had only bolt action rifles, mass shootings would be a thing of the past.

Wrong...

Cumbria....Britain......13 dead, pump action shotgun and bolt action rifle...it is the gun free zone target that allows for the killing, not the gun.

Cumbria shootings - Wikipedia

I have absolutely zero problem with a person owning a bolt action rifle.

Not only are they more accurate than semi automatics, but it takes a lot longer than 30 seconds to throw 30 rounds downrange. If we had only bolt action rifles, mass shootings would be a thing of the past.

Texas shooting....10 dead, pump action shotgun, revolver...

Texas school shooter used shotgun, pistol in deadly assault

used two firearms: a shotgun and .38 caliber revolver, both of which he got from his father. Ten were left dead, mostly students.

I have absolutely zero problem with a person owning a bolt action rifle.

Not only are they more accurate than semi automatics, but it takes a lot longer than 30 seconds to throw 30 rounds downrange. If we had only bolt action rifles, mass shootings would be a thing of the past.

You sure Charles Whitman shot and killed 16 people and wounded 31 others using primarly a bolt action rifle someone who knows how to shoot can be just as deadly with a bolt action rifle as anyone with an AR-15 or similar type rifle.

Okay, so according to you guys, if semi automatic rifles are banned, the crazies are just gonna shift to pump action shotguns and lever action rifles? Well, considering that shotguns have a much shorter range than rifles, as well as the fact that they don't carry that many rounds, you might still have a few people killed, but the body count would be much less than if it was an AR-15 with a 30 round mag.

As far as using a lever action rifle? Again, they don't hold nearly as many rounds, and while a person who practices quite a bit with one MIGHT become proficient enough to do a mass shooting, your average person wouldn't. To get good enough to throw a lot of rounds down range in a short amount of time requires a lot of practice. Yes..................I've seen some of the YouTube videos showing professionals who are very good at what they do, but I can assure you.......they didn't just pick up the weapon and start throwing high amounts of lead down range. There was a lot of practice that came first.

Pffft....I could nail you with a slug at 150 yards.

150 yards is pistol distance for a lot of shooters that have some skill and practice.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The Founders wanted to make government have to think twice about becoming tyrannical, abusive, and oppressive. That is why they wanted citizens to have the ability to be legally armed. Yes, the citizens may lose, but it would make a tyrannical government have to pay a price, and bullies usually don't want to do that.

The Founders wanted us to be able to shoot our elected officials if we think they`re tyrannical etc.? That`s incredibly stupid.

Funny, given that the people who wrote the constitution spent 8 years doing just that.

 

[Pilot1]

I have absolutely zero problem with a person owning a bolt action rifle.

Not only are they more accurate than semi automatics, but it takes a lot longer than 30 seconds to throw 30 rounds downrange. If we had only bolt action rifles, mass shootings would be a thing of the past.

I wouldn't go that far, if all semi-autos were banned, the crazies would switch to pump-action shot-guns.

I have absolutely zero problem with a person owning a bolt action rifle.

Not only are they more accurate than semi automatics, but it takes a lot longer than 30 seconds to throw 30 rounds downrange. If we had only bolt action rifles, mass shootings would be a thing of the past.

Wrong...

Cumbria....Britain......13 dead, pump action shotgun and bolt action rifle...it is the gun free zone target that allows for the killing, not the gun.

Cumbria shootings - Wikipedia

I have absolutely zero problem with a person owning a bolt action rifle.

Not only are they more accurate than semi automatics, but it takes a lot longer than 30 seconds to throw 30 rounds downrange. If we had only bolt action rifles, mass shootings would be a thing of the past.

Texas shooting....10 dead, pump action shotgun, revolver...

Texas school shooter used shotgun, pistol in deadly assault

used two firearms: a shotgun and .38 caliber revolver, both of which he got from his father. Ten were left dead, mostly students.

I have absolutely zero problem with a person owning a bolt action rifle.

Not only are they more accurate than semi automatics, but it takes a lot longer than 30 seconds to throw 30 rounds downrange. If we had only bolt action rifles, mass shootings would be a thing of the past.

You sure Charles Whitman shot and killed 16 people and wounded 31 others using primarly a bolt action rifle someone who knows how to shoot can be just as deadly with a bolt action rifle as anyone with an AR-15 or similar type rifle.

Okay, so according to you guys, if semi automatic rifles are banned, the crazies are just gonna shift to pump action shotguns and lever action rifles? Well, considering that shotguns have a much shorter range than rifles, as well as the fact that they don't carry that many rounds, you might still have a few people killed, but the body count would be much less than if it was an AR-15 with a 30 round mag.

As far as using a lever action rifle? Again, they don't hold nearly as many rounds, and while a person who practices quite a bit with one MIGHT become proficient enough to do a mass shooting, your average person wouldn't. To get good enough to throw a lot of rounds down range in a short amount of time requires a lot of practice. Yes..................I've seen some of the YouTube videos showing professionals who are very good at what they do, but I can assure you.......they didn't just pick up the weapon and start throwing high amounts of lead down range. There was a lot of practice that came first.

Pffft....I could nail you with a slug at 150 yards.

The Founders wanted to make government have to think twice about becoming tyrannical, abusive, and oppressive. That is why they wanted citizens to have the ability to be legally armed. Yes, the citizens may lose, but it would make a tyrannical government have to pay a price, and bullies usually don't want to do that.

The Founders wanted us to be able to shoot our elected officials if we think they`re tyrannical etc.? That`s incredibly stupid.

Funny, given that the people who wrote the constitution spent 8 years doing just that.

Exactly. The intent was to give citizens the ability to fight back against tyranny, and yes against OUR OWN POLITICIANS.

 

[Claudette]

LMAO I'm sure my deceased Dad would just love to know his bolt action 30.06 deer rifle is a military weapon.

He was a vet so I'm sure he would know exactly what a military rifle looks like and that 30.06 ain't it. LOL

 

[August West]

The Founders wanted to make government have to think twice about becoming tyrannical, abusive, and oppressive. That is why they wanted citizens to have the ability to be legally armed. Yes, the citizens may lose, but it would make a tyrannical government have to pay a price, and bullies usually don't want to do that.

The Founders wanted us to be able to shoot our elected officials if we think they`re tyrannical etc.? That`s incredibly stupid.

Funny, given that the people who wrote the constitution spent 8 years doing just that.

The people who wrote the Constitution weren`t shooting at THEIR elected officials. Have you heard about that taxation without representation business?

 

[M14 Shooter]

The Founders wanted to make government have to think twice about becoming tyrannical, abusive, and oppressive. That is why they wanted citizens to have the ability to be legally armed. Yes, the citizens may lose, but it would make a tyrannical government have to pay a price, and bullies usually don't want to do that.

The Founders wanted us to be able to shoot our elected officials if we think they`re tyrannical etc.? That`s incredibly stupid.

Funny, given that the people who wrote the constitution spent 8 years doing just that.

The people who wrote the Constitution weren`t shooting at THEIR elected officials. Have you heard about that taxation without representation business?

You missed the point.
Hint: It revolves around "tyranny", not 'elected officials".

 

[Pilot1]

The Founders wanted to make government have to think twice about becoming tyrannical, abusive, and oppressive. That is why they wanted citizens to have the ability to be legally armed. Yes, the citizens may lose, but it would make a tyrannical government have to pay a price, and bullies usually don't want to do that.

The Founders wanted us to be able to shoot our elected officials if we think they`re tyrannical etc.? That`s incredibly stupid.

Funny, given that the people who wrote the constitution spent 8 years doing just that.

The people who wrote the Constitution weren`t shooting at THEIR elected officials. Have you heard about that taxation without representation business?

They, however, had the vision to realize elected officials, politicians, bureaucrats, etc could act like royalty, and become tyrannical. The Second Amendment was supposed to be a DETERRENT to that. Yet, we now have CAREER politicians that act more, and more like Royalty. Go figure. You need to go back and do some reading of history, starting with the Federalist Papers.

 

[Chuz Life]

I have absolutely zero problem with a person owning a bolt action rifle.

Not only are they more accurate than semi automatics, but it takes a lot longer than 30 seconds to throw 30 rounds downrange. If we had only bolt action rifles, mass shootings would be a thing of the past.

What kind of rifle dud Timothy McVeigh use?

 

[August West]

The Founders wanted to make government have to think twice about becoming tyrannical, abusive, and oppressive. That is why they wanted citizens to have the ability to be legally armed. Yes, the citizens may lose, but it would make a tyrannical government have to pay a price, and bullies usually don't want to do that.

The Founders wanted us to be able to shoot our elected officials if we think they`re tyrannical etc.? That`s incredibly stupid.

Funny, given that the people who wrote the constitution spent 8 years doing just that.

The people who wrote the Constitution weren`t shooting at THEIR elected officials. Have you heard about that taxation without representation business?

They, however, had the vision to realize elected officials, politicians, bureaucrats, etc could act like royalty, and become tyrannical. The Second Amendment was supposed to be a DETERRENT to that. Yet, we now have CAREER politicians that act more, and more like Royalty. Go figure. You need to go back and do some reading of history, starting with the Federalist Papers.

The 2nd amendment is what it says it is unless you know of a new one. The Federalist Papers don`t call for murdering our politicians for acting like Royalty whatever that`s supposed to mean. Do you think they should be murdered for being wealthy?

 

[danielpalos]

Why is this even an issue? We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.