Salon: Bolt Action Rifles are Military Grade Killing Machines, Ban Them

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Your average pump shotgun used for hunting holds around 3 shells before needing to be reloaded. If you have a riot shotgun, they can have 6 to 10 shells before needing to be reloaded. There is also the fact that shot doesn't travel near as far as a rifle bullet.

Sorry, but reloading after a max of 10 shots is a lot less harmful than having 30 shots before reloading.

I carried an Ithaca 37 8-shot trench gun in Vietnam.....9 .00 (.32 caliber) pellets in each shell...times 8 slam fired with a duck-bill....That's 72 rounds by comparison in less than 4 seconds....show me a full-auto M-16 that can keep up with my Ithaca.

Is that gun you carried in Vietnam legal for civilians to use?


Yes....it is a shotgun....and used against helpless children it would be as bad as the rifle used by the Sandy Hook shooter....it isn't the gun, it is the victim, and the time they are allowed to kill in the gun free zone...
 
Your average pump shotgun used for hunting holds around 3 shells before needing to be reloaded. If you have a riot shotgun, they can have 6 to 10 shells before needing to be reloaded. There is also the fact that shot doesn't travel near as far as a rifle bullet.

Sorry, but reloading after a max of 10 shots is a lot less harmful than having 30 shots before reloading.

I carried an Ithaca 37 8-shot trench gun in Vietnam.....9 .00 (.32 caliber) pellets in each shell...times 8 slam fired with a duck-bill....That's 72 rounds by comparison in less than 4 seconds....show me a full-auto M-16 that can keep up with my Ithaca.

Is that gun you carried in Vietnam legal for civilians to use?


Yes....it is a shotgun....and used against helpless children it would be as bad as the rifle used by the Sandy Hook shooter....it isn't the gun, it is the victim, and the time they are allowed to kill in the gun free zone...

Interestingly enough, when I went and looked up the Ithica, there are many different variants. The one you specified was a specific military contract model. Was that particular model, with the duck bill that could be slam fired legal for civilian use? The things I've been able to find says that variant was used strictly by the military and SEALs.
 
we have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.
Wrong.

No amendment or law can eliminate security problems.

The only way to eliminate security problems is too disarm the people and commence genocide as all those socialist states do.
Not into the martial Arts? We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems from the unorganized militia.
Once again no law eliminates security problems.

The second applies to individual citizens not militia.
no, it doesn't. there are no individual terms in our Second Amendment. And we should have no security problems in our free States, that is why we have Government.
Yes there is

" The right of the people "

Which applies strictly to individuals
No, it doesn't. The People and the Militia are collective and plural not Individual.
 
Wrong.

No amendment or law can eliminate security problems.

The only way to eliminate security problems is too disarm the people and commence genocide as all those socialist states do.
Not into the martial Arts? We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems from the unorganized militia.
Once again no law eliminates security problems.

The second applies to individual citizens not militia.
no, it doesn't. there are no individual terms in our Second Amendment. And we should have no security problems in our free States, that is why we have Government.
Yes there is

" The right of the people "

Which applies strictly to individuals
No, it doesn't. The People and the Militia are collective and plural not Individual.
Wrong

Only individuals have rights just like in other amendments.
 
They do argue from ignorance but no matter....gun grabbing is exceptionally unpopular in recent years and especially since Sandy Hook. Since then, they cant keep guns on the shelves and Congress could not possibly be any less interested!:2up:
Why didn't The Obama and His Dem controlled Congress ban 'assault weapons'?
They knew they'd lose the next election.
 
Got a link to a shotgun that has 40 rounds? All the ones that I've been able to find carried anywhere from 3 to 10 rounds, with 10 being the max.
Gladly.
14+1 rounds
Shotguns | KSG Tactical Shotgun | Downward Shell Ejection | KelTec
14+2 rounds, double-barrel, pump action
DP-12 - Page 1 - Standard Mfg. Co. LLC
24+1 standard rounds, 40+1 mini-shells
Shotguns | KSG Tactical Shotgun | Downward Shell Ejection | KelTec
Mini-shell
Shotshell | Aguila Ammunition

All of these are pump-action shotguns.
 
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Wrong.

No amendment or law can eliminate security problems.

The only way to eliminate security problems is too disarm the people and commence genocide as all those socialist states do.
Not into the martial Arts? We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems from the unorganized militia.
Once again no law eliminates security problems.

The second applies to individual citizens not militia.
no, it doesn't. there are no individual terms in our Second Amendment. And we should have no security problems in our free States, that is why we have Government.
Yes there is

" The right of the people "

Which applies strictly to individuals
No, it doesn't. The People and the Militia are collective and plural not Individual.
The Supreme Court disagrees with you.
 
if they could save one child they'd ban every gun
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now ask him about illegal aliens murdering Americans.

the left has zero morals ...none of any kind. all they want is for you to be disarmed and helpless

got ammo

civil-wars-happen-when-the-victimized-are-armed-genocide-happens-5936016.png
 
Not into the martial Arts? We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems from the unorganized militia.
Once again no law eliminates security problems.

The second applies to individual citizens not militia.
no, it doesn't. there are no individual terms in our Second Amendment. And we should have no security problems in our free States, that is why we have Government.
Yes there is

" The right of the people "

Which applies strictly to individuals
No, it doesn't. The People and the Militia are collective and plural not Individual.
Wrong

Only individuals have rights just like in other amendments.
The unorganized militia may be infringed in the keeping and bearing Arms when not for their State or the Union.
 
Not into the martial Arts? We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems from the unorganized militia.
Once again no law eliminates security problems.

The second applies to individual citizens not militia.
no, it doesn't. there are no individual terms in our Second Amendment. And we should have no security problems in our free States, that is why we have Government.
Yes there is

" The right of the people "

Which applies strictly to individuals
No, it doesn't. The People and the Militia are collective and plural not Individual.
The Supreme Court disagrees with you.
Our Second Amendment is Express not Implied. We have a Ninth Amendment. Any questions?
 
if they could save one child they'd ban every gun
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now ask him about illegal aliens murdering Americans.

the left has zero morals ...none of any kind. all they want is for you to be disarmed and helpless

got ammo

civil-wars-happen-when-the-victimized-are-armed-genocide-happens-5936016.png
There is no immigration clause in our Constitution. Why whine about less fortunate illegals?

I was whining about less fortunate Americans who were murdered by criminal illegal aliens.
try and get it straight before flipping the victim
thank you
 
I have absolutely zero problem with a person owning a bolt action rifle.

Not only are they more accurate than semi automatics, but it takes a lot longer than 30 seconds to throw 30 rounds downrange. If we had only bolt action rifles, mass shootings would be a thing of the past.

I wouldn't go that far, if all semi-autos were banned, the crazies would switch to pump-action shot-guns.

I have absolutely zero problem with a person owning a bolt action rifle.

Not only are they more accurate than semi automatics, but it takes a lot longer than 30 seconds to throw 30 rounds downrange. If we had only bolt action rifles, mass shootings would be a thing of the past.


Wrong...

Cumbria....Britain......13 dead, pump action shotgun and bolt action rifle...it is the gun free zone target that allows for the killing, not the gun.

Cumbria shootings - Wikipedia

I have absolutely zero problem with a person owning a bolt action rifle.

Not only are they more accurate than semi automatics, but it takes a lot longer than 30 seconds to throw 30 rounds downrange. If we had only bolt action rifles, mass shootings would be a thing of the past.


Texas shooting....10 dead, pump action shotgun, revolver...

Texas school shooter used shotgun, pistol in deadly assault

used two firearms: a shotgun and .38 caliber revolver, both of which he got from his father. Ten were left dead, mostly students.

I have absolutely zero problem with a person owning a bolt action rifle.

Not only are they more accurate than semi automatics, but it takes a lot longer than 30 seconds to throw 30 rounds downrange. If we had only bolt action rifles, mass shootings would be a thing of the past.
You sure Charles Whitman shot and killed 16 people and wounded 31 others using primarly a bolt action rifle someone who knows how to shoot can be just as deadly with a bolt action rifle as anyone with an AR-15 or similar type rifle.

Okay, so according to you guys, if semi automatic rifles are banned, the crazies are just gonna shift to pump action shotguns and lever action rifles? Well, considering that shotguns have a much shorter range than rifles, as well as the fact that they don't carry that many rounds, you might still have a few people killed, but the body count would be much less than if it was an AR-15 with a 30 round mag.

As far as using a lever action rifle? Again, they don't hold nearly as many rounds, and while a person who practices quite a bit with one MIGHT become proficient enough to do a mass shooting, your average person wouldn't. To get good enough to throw a lot of rounds down range in a short amount of time requires a lot of practice. Yes..................I've seen some of the YouTube videos showing professionals who are very good at what they do, but I can assure you.......they didn't just pick up the weapon and start throwing high amounts of lead down range. There was a lot of practice that came first.


Pump action shotguns.....would kill just as many people, they would simply change targets ......

And we don't base our Rights on wether or not a few people will abuse them.....11 people committed mass public shootings in 2017, 117 people were killed....rifles were used to kill 403 people in total that year.......there are close to 600 million guns in private hands..... close to 8 million AR-15 rifles........cars kill 38,000 people in 2017, yet you don't call for a ban on those...

Knives kill more people each and every year than all rifles do, not just AR-15 rifles....why won't you ban those?

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


Rifles...still kill fewer people each year than knives... 403

Knives.....1,591

Hands and feet......696

Clubs.....467

You have no logic to back your call for banning these rifles and magazines.....you make no sense.

Your average pump shotgun used for hunting holds around 3 shells before needing to be reloaded. If you have a riot shotgun, they can have 6 to 10 shells before needing to be reloaded. There is also the fact that shot doesn't travel near as far as a rifle bullet.

Sorry, but reloading after a max of 10 shots is a lot less harmful than having 30 shots before reloading.

Why are you such a dumbass?

If your target is 10 feet away, who fucking cares how far the bullet or shot will travel?

I swear you must have sexual talents by lasting in the Navy until retirement, because you probably couldn't be counted on to do anything else as much as you fuck up on this message board.
 
“Saturday Night Specials” (cheap handguns) = Bad, must be banned

“Military Style Handguns” (expensive handguns) = Bad, must be banned

“Assault Weapons” (inaccurate, short-range rifles) = Bad, must be banned

“Sniper Rifles” (accurate, long-range rifles) = Bad, must be banned

Anybody who plays along is a fool.

Salon: Now No One Needs Bolt Action Rifles Either - The Truth About Guns

Salon Who? You going to bring up every crackpot who ever lived and use him as an example? Please. He amounts to less than zero.
 
Once again no law eliminates security problems.

The second applies to individual citizens not militia.
no, it doesn't. there are no individual terms in our Second Amendment. And we should have no security problems in our free States, that is why we have Government.
Yes there is

" The right of the people "

Which applies strictly to individuals
No, it doesn't. The People and the Militia are collective and plural not Individual.
Wrong

Only individuals have rights just like in other amendments.
The unorganized militia may be infringed in the keeping and bearing Arms when not for their State or the Union.
Wrong.

Individuals have the right to keep and bear arms whether in the militia or not.

That is precisely what the second says and means .

Learn English.
 
Once again no law eliminates security problems.

The second applies to individual citizens not militia.
no, it doesn't. there are no individual terms in our Second Amendment. And we should have no security problems in our free States, that is why we have Government.
Yes there is

" The right of the people "

Which applies strictly to individuals
No, it doesn't. The People and the Militia are collective and plural not Individual.
The Supreme Court disagrees with you.
Our Second Amendment is Express not Implied. We have a Ninth Amendment. Any questions?
And you are wrong as the second amendment clearly expresses and the courts have proven.
 
So? The intent of the Second Amendment was to put the average citizen on a equal footing with the common soldier. The intent was for citizens to possess military weapons. Whether it be muskets, lever action rifles, bolt action rifles, handguns, full auto, and anything else a foot soldier would carry.
 
if they could save one child they'd ban every gun
View attachment 252447
now ask him about illegal aliens murdering Americans.

the left has zero morals ...none of any kind. all they want is for you to be disarmed and helpless

got ammo

civil-wars-happen-when-the-victimized-are-armed-genocide-happens-5936016.png
There is no immigration clause in our Constitution. Why whine about less fortunate illegals?

I was whining about less fortunate Americans who were murdered by criminal illegal aliens.
try and get it straight before flipping the victim
thank you
There is no express and delegated Power over immigration in our federal Constitution. It is Your right wing bigotry that gets them killed.
 
no, it doesn't. there are no individual terms in our Second Amendment. And we should have no security problems in our free States, that is why we have Government.
Yes there is

" The right of the people "

Which applies strictly to individuals
No, it doesn't. The People and the Militia are collective and plural not Individual.
Wrong

Only individuals have rights just like in other amendments.
The unorganized militia may be infringed in the keeping and bearing Arms when not for their State or the Union.
Wrong.

Individuals have the right to keep and bear arms whether in the militia or not.

That is precisely what the second says and means .

Learn English.
I have always understood English better than You.

Subject to the Police power of a State, you have a natural right to defense of self and property with Arms.
 
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