'S.C. Republican: Aid like feeding strays'

[Ravi]

What conclusion can one come to after reading this?

"Bauer, who's running for the Republican nomination for governor, made his remarks during a town hall meeting in Fountain Inn that included state lawmakers and about 115 residents, according to a Greenville News account written by Nathaniel Cary.

“My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed. You're facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply."

S.C. Republican: Aid like feeding strays - CharlotteObserver.com

Joe Bageant: One party has no heart, the other no spine

The same article says this:

Bauer later told The Greenville News on Friday that he wasn't saying people on government assistance “were animals or anything else.”

In his speech to the group, Bauer said people have to become more engaged with government.

“You see, for the first time in the history of this country, we've got more people voting for a living than we do working for a living,” he said.

Later in his speech, he said, “I can show you a bar graph where free and reduced lunch has the worst test scores in the state of South Carolina,” adding, “You show me the school that has the highest free and reduced lunch, and I'll show you the worst test scores, folks. It's there, period. So how do you fix it? Well, you say, ‘Look, if you receive goods or services from the government, then you owe something back.'”

Maybe he realized he said something stupid and backtracked, maybe he deliberately said that to pander to those who do see that way...

Or maybe he didn't take into consideration that starving them would result in even lower test scores.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Have you guys ever even read the studies on nutrition and learning?

Isn't that a question you ought to be asking the parents who aren't providing for their children?

The "poor" in the US: (seems like we have taught them to be poor)


The following are facts about persons defined as "poor" by the Census Bureau, taken from various gov ernment reports:

Forty-three percent of all poor households actu ally own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.

Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.

Only 6 percent of poor households are over crowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.

The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)

Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.

Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.

Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.

Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.

 

[Ravi]

Ravi....a question....were do you draw the line?....when we used to deliver Welfare checks and food stamps,i delivered them to a young single woman who had 2-3 kids.....5 years later she had 5 kids and still getting them.....all in all she ended up with 7-8 kids and still getting them......when do you say enough?.....

You can't.

You cannot punish children, people who do not enjoy the rights the rest of us do because WE say they don't, because their parents are assholes.

I also doubt that there are that many people that fit your description.

so people like this women get to fuck the system and us, because she always has kids?.....must be nice....

IMO, "people like this woman" are few and far between.

But what about you? Do you honestly think we should punish children because their parents might be assholes or might take advantage of the system?

I don't.

 

[Neotrotsky]

What conclusion can one come to after reading this?

"Bauer, who's running for the Republican nomination for governor, made his remarks during a town hall meeting in Fountain Inn that included state lawmakers and about 115 residents, according to a Greenville News account written by Nathaniel Cary.

“My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed. You're facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply."

S.C. Republican: Aid like feeding strays - CharlotteObserver.com

Joe Bageant: One party has no heart, the other no spine

The same article says this:

Bauer later told The Greenville News on Friday that he wasn't saying people on government assistance “were animals or anything else.”

In his speech to the group, Bauer said people have to become more engaged with government.

“You see, for the first time in the history of this country, we've got more people voting for a living than we do working for a living,” he said.

Later in his speech, he said, “I can show you a bar graph where free and reduced lunch has the worst test scores in the state of South Carolina,” adding, “You show me the school that has the highest free and reduced lunch, and I'll show you the worst test scores, folks. It's there, period. So how do you fix it? Well, you say, ‘Look, if you receive goods or services from the government, then you owe something back.'”

Maybe he realized he said something stupid and backtracked, maybe he deliberately said that to pander to those who do see that way...

Or maybe he didn't take into consideration that starving them would result in even lower test scores.

Why would they starve?

What about all the money and food stamps they get?
Is it too much to ask Parents to even make a meal for their children?

 

[Sidestreamer]

What conclusion can one come to after reading this?

"Bauer, who's running for the Republican nomination for governor, made his remarks during a town hall meeting in Fountain Inn that included state lawmakers and about 115 residents, according to a Greenville News account written by Nathaniel Cary.

“My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed. You're facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply."

S.C. Republican: Aid like feeding strays - CharlotteObserver.com

Joe Bageant: One party has no heart, the other no spine

The same article says this:

Bauer later told The Greenville News on Friday that he wasn't saying people on government assistance “were animals or anything else.”

In his speech to the group, Bauer said people have to become more engaged with government.

“You see, for the first time in the history of this country, we've got more people voting for a living than we do working for a living,” he said.

Later in his speech, he said, “I can show you a bar graph where free and reduced lunch has the worst test scores in the state of South Carolina,” adding, “You show me the school that has the highest free and reduced lunch, and I'll show you the worst test scores, folks. It's there, period. So how do you fix it? Well, you say, ‘Look, if you receive goods or services from the government, then you owe something back.'”

Maybe he realized he said something stupid and backtracked, maybe he deliberately said that to pander to those who do see that way...

Or maybe he didn't take into consideration that starving them would result in even lower test scores.

Good point, but the cynic in me thinks he is thinking most of those parents don't vote.

 

[Sidestreamer]

The same article says this:

Maybe he realized he said something stupid and backtracked, maybe he deliberately said that to pander to those who do see that way...

Or maybe he didn't take into consideration that starving them would result in even lower test scores.

Why would they starve?

What about all the money and food stamps they get?
Is it too much to ask Parents to even make a meal for their children?

Assuming you're totally unemployed and are on welfare, the food stamps and money you get is not nearly enough to get you above the poverty level (and unless you're disabled, it shouldn't in my opinion). I don't see why giving the children one reduced or free meal from school every day they're there is something you want to stop.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Or maybe he didn't take into consideration that starving them would result in even lower test scores.

Why would they starve?

What about all the money and food stamps they get?
Is it too much to ask Parents to even make a meal for their children?

Assuming you're totally unemployed and are on welfare, the food stamps and money you get is not nearly enough to get you above the poverty level (and unless you're disabled, it shouldn't in my opinion). I don't see why giving the children one reduced or free meal from school every day they're there is something you want to stop.

They do not have to be stopped for the "poor" but they should have to compensate in some manner ( no matter how small from their checks or food stamps)

This would probably "teach" something as well

Here in NY a family of four with annual income of $40,793 can get a reduced lunch program - they can' t afford the lunch programs at school which are subsidized to begin with and only cost around $1.50/ day.

 

[Xenophon]

I think no matter what you mean it will turn out bad if you question aide.

 

[Harry Dresden]

You can't.

You cannot punish children, people who do not enjoy the rights the rest of us do because WE say they don't, because their parents are assholes.

I also doubt that there are that many people that fit your description.

so people like this women get to fuck the system and us, because she always has kids?.....must be nice....

IMO, "people like this woman" are few and far between.

But what about you? Do you honestly think we should punish children because their parents might be assholes or might take advantage of the system?

I don't.

i would be all for saying to this "mom" have all the kids you want.....no more aid...it stops were you are at right now,not one penny more,this is all you are getting.....but this lady was getting more with each kid.....you have to draw the line Ravi at some point,kids or not....its not fair to those who play by the rules,and dont burden their existing problems by having more kids,just to get more money....and its especially not fair to the people paying for it.....THE TAX PAYER....

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Where is his evidence?

If he's talking about the elderly population we have there may be a point...but those people worked for a living for years and years and years.

I just posted a quote saying he said it.
It does appear that in saying what he did about strays that the rest of what he said indicates that his platform is one of cutting spending.
I personally doubt if it is true in the literal sense, but i don't have evidence to dispute his statement either.

Cutting spending is one thing. Letting children starve because their parents are assholes is another.

And comparing the poor to starving animals is pretty ridiculous.

Who used to call say 'undesirables' were 'subhuman'?

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Not what I was looking for as an answer. You are right in your assessment and mechanics.

Let Me put it this way.

What possible reason can any State have in telling people that feeding bears and deer in the heart of winter is doing more harm to them the good? Even though you can see that they are suffering?

Well, bear is a bad example. Bears sleep during the winter....But you get the idea.

I live in a pretty remote area with lots of wildlife. When the wildlife gets dependent on humans for their food, we usually have to kill them as a nuscience. In addition, if the population of deer or elk, or bear or antelope or even feild mice exceeds the natural food supply, the entire population suffers more disease and malnutrition.
When it happens to the elk here, we have what fish and game calls a "depredation hunt" to lower the elk population to a sustainable level.
I can see where some of that might apply to people, but who gets to go on the "depradation hunt" in South Carolina?
By the way, Not all bears sleep all winter I saw one last Tuesday, and there is over a foot of snow on the ground.

Very much so.

When the popluation becomes dependent upon humans, they are weakened and unable to survive.

When people become dependent upon government, they become weakened and unable to survive.

That is why it is wrong for the Government to feed strays.

So we should have let more people starve during the dust bowl and great depression?

 

[☭proletarian☭]

I just posted a quote saying he said it.
It does appear that in saying what he did about strays that the rest of what he said indicates that his platform is one of cutting spending.
I personally doubt if it is true in the literal sense, but i don't have evidence to dispute his statement either.

Cutting spending is one thing. Letting children starve because their parents are assholes is another.

And comparing the poor to starving animals is pretty ridiculous.

Well stated...

Its the same "Let them eat cake" mindset

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Where do you think the term 'welfare mother' came from, congress.

Street Prophets: Exhuming the Welfare Queen

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Cutting spending is one thing. Letting children starve because their parents are assholes is another.

And comparing the poor to starving animals is pretty ridiculous.

So, you don't understand it. There is no shame in admitting that you don't know.

I understand. The guy thinks you shouldn't give charity to children, whether it is charity from the people of the country or charity from charitable organizations.

In his opinion, giving people food simply encourages them to breed.

It is a pretty soulless belief, true or not. And since most people care about the survival of their species, it's a pretty fucking stupid belief, to boot.

If it wins, it proves SC Reps all agree

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Cutting spending is one thing. Letting children starve because their parents are assholes is another.

Ravi....a question....were do you draw the line?....when we used to deliver Welfare checks and food stamps,i delivered them to a young single woman who had 2-3 kids.....5 years later she had 5 kids and still getting them.....all in all she ended up with 7-8 kids and still getting them......when do you say enough?.....

You can't.

You cannot punish children, people who do not enjoy the rights the rest of us do because WE say they don't, because their parents are assholes.

I also doubt that there are that many people that fit your description.

Foster the kids and cut the aid forever

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Have you guys ever even read the studies on nutrition and learning?

Isn't that a question you ought to be asking the parents who aren't providing for their children?

The "poor" in the US: (seems like we have taught them to be poor)


The following are facts about persons defined as "poor" by the Census Bureau, taken from various gov ernment reports:

Forty-three percent of all poor households actu ally own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.

Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.

Only 6 percent of poor households are over crowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.

The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)

Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.

Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.

Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.

Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.

Nobody said this system isn't deeply flawed

 

[bodecea]

A lot of local governments subcontract charitable outreach through religious agencies.

They know what works.

It works? Poverty is solved in those communities?

 

[Chris]

Slavery is a cherished tradition among South Carolina Republicans.

 

[Political Junky]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dude
Hitler was a socialist, too....He even professed his admiration for Marx in "Mein Kaumpf".
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Feel free to post here exactly where Hitler professed admiration for Marx.
Remember, Marx was a Jew.

 

[Ravi]

so people like this women get to fuck the system and us, because she always has kids?.....must be nice....

IMO, "people like this woman" are few and far between.

But what about you? Do you honestly think we should punish children because their parents might be assholes or might take advantage of the system?

I don't.

i would be all for saying to this "mom" have all the kids you want.....no more aid...it stops were you are at right now,not one penny more,this is all you are getting.....but this lady was getting more with each kid.....you have to draw the line Ravi at some point,kids or not....its not fair to those who play by the rules,and dont burden their existing problems by having more kids,just to get more money....and its especially not fair to the people paying for it.....THE TAX PAYER....

I disagree. Until you change the law and give children the same rights that adults enjoy we have a class of people that deserve special protection. And this class is children with poor parents.

I don't have a problem with having strings attached to aide...but not this string.