Rubio vs Obama and natural born citizenship?

[Truthmatters]

No one is claiming hes not American.

we are not as evil as you fucks

 

[Truthmatters]

McCains parents were also both citizens too.

 

[buckeye45_73]

I saw that.
Title 8 of the U.S. Code Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.


sorry i wasn't more specific, and sorry but Obama is a citizen no matter how much I dislike him as a president.

Title 8 Sec 1401 specifically defines only a Citizen, not a natual born Citizen. Article 2 Section 1 for the presidency specifically calls for the term 'Natural Born Citizen' to be eligible.:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

The only time a Citizen could be president was at the time of the adoption of the Constitution until time for Constitutional Article 2 natural born Citizen could be born several presidents later. Those first few Citizen presidents were grandfathered in, hence the Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 grandfather clause.

So basically only a person born in the US can run for President? what about John McCain? he was born in Panama.

that is correct and he was born on a military base, as well as the canal was US soil at the time. I couldnt stand McCain, but he did fork that birth certificate over immediately to prevent any issues, I really dont understand why Obama didnt?

 

[Liability]

I saw that.
Title 8 of the U.S. Code Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.


sorry i wasn't more specific, and sorry but Obama is a citizen no matter how much I dislike him as a president.

Title 8 Sec 1401 specifically defines only a Citizen, not a natual born Citizen. Article 2 Section 1 for the presidency specifically calls for the term 'Natural Born Citizen' to be eligible.:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

The only time a Citizen could be president was at the time of the adoption of the Constitution until time for Constitutional Article 2 natural born Citizen could be born several presidents later. Those first few Citizen presidents were grandfathered in, hence the Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 grandfather clause.

So basically only a person born in the US can run for President? what about John McCain? he was born in Panama.

No.

If BOTH parents happen to be U.S. citizens at the time of your birth, you are STILL a natural born citizen, no matter where you are born.

 

[Liability]

Hmm I thought his mother being American was enough to seal the deal?

Not according to the very law cited by PLYMCO_PILGRIM.

Compare:



with:

if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national

Whats the difference between a US Citizen and a US National? this is confusing, Military families have kids born overseas all the time with a parent of a different country like Korea or Germany and those kids are Americans.

It is kind of archaic, but a national was person born on the land of some U.S. territory or outlying possession which was not technically the same thing as a State or U.S. soil.

 

[Truthmatters]

so you guys going to say Warren lied and Rubio didnt?

 

[High_Gravity]

Not according to the very law cited by PLYMCO_PILGRIM.

Compare:



with:

Whats the difference between a US Citizen and a US National? this is confusing, Military families have kids born overseas all the time with a parent of a different country like Korea or Germany and those kids are Americans.

It is kind of archaic, but a national was person born on the land of some U.S. territory or outlying possession which was not technically the same thing as a State or U.S. soil.

So if I go to Italy and get a woman pregnant and she has the baby in Naples, is my child American?

 

[Liability]

Whats the difference between a US Citizen and a US National? this is confusing, Military families have kids born overseas all the time with a parent of a different country like Korea or Germany and those kids are Americans.

It is kind of archaic, but a national was person born on the land of some U.S. territory or outlying possession which was not technically the same thing as a State or U.S. soil.

So if I go to Italy and get a woman pregnant and she has the baby in Naples, is my child American?

Is the woman you have knocked up a U.S. citizen?

 

[Truthmatters]

They can get dual citizenship as a matter of fact

 

[Liability]

They can get dual citizenship as a matter of fact

TdM speaks from here endless well of ignorance and misinformation.

 

[Fred_Garvin]

I saw that.
Title 8 of the U.S. Code Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.


sorry i wasn't more specific, and sorry but Obama is a citizen no matter how much I dislike him as a president.

The highlighted wouldn't help Pres. Obama IF he had been born in Kenya since his father was not a U.S. national. He was not born in a territory or outlying possession of the USA.
He was a Kenyan.

Hmm I thought his mother being American was enough to seal the deal?

Not according to the citizenship law in 1961. The law says:

”When one parent was a U.S. citizen and the other a foreign national, the U.S. citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. for a total of 10 years prior to birth of the child with FIVE of the years after the age of 14.”

Stanley Ann Dunham did not meet requisite status. The law effected people born between December 23, 1952 and November 13, 1986

 

[High_Gravity]

It is kind of archaic, but a national was person born on the land of some U.S. territory or outlying possession which was not technically the same thing as a State or U.S. soil.

So if I go to Italy and get a woman pregnant and she has the baby in Naples, is my child American?

Is the woman you have knocked up a U.S. citizen?

No, Italian.

 

[Truthmatters]

Multiple citizenship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Citizenship of multiple countries

Individual countries follow their own rationales in establishing their criteria for citizenship. Each country has different requirements for citizenship, as well as different policies regarding dual citizenship. These laws sometimes leave gaps where the acquisition of other citizenships does not render the original citizenship invalid, creating a possible situation for an individual to hold two or more nationalities. Here are common reasons to bestow citizenship:
At least one parent is a citizen (jus sanguinis).
The person was born on the country's territory (jus soli)
The person marries a person holding the citizenship (jure matrimonii).[1]
The person becomes naturalized.
The person was adopted from another country as a minor and at least one adoptive parent is a citizen.[2]
The person makes a substantial monetary investment: Austria,[3] Cyprus, Dominica and St. Kitts & Nevis

 

[Liability]

So if I go to Italy and get a woman pregnant and she has the baby in Naples, is my child American?

Is the woman you have knocked up a U.S. citizen?

No, Italian.

Then how could the kid be a natural born U.S. citizen?

 

[kiwiman127]

No, Ricky Rubio was born in Spain. He has never claimed to be American. But can that boy ball!

man you are stupid. You are thinking of the a soccer player for Rubio

Good one!

 

[High_Gravity]

The highlighted wouldn't help Pres. Obama IF he had been born in Kenya since his father was not a U.S. national. He was not born in a territory or outlying possession of the USA.
He was a Kenyan.

Hmm I thought his mother being American was enough to seal the deal?

Not according to the citizenship law in 1961. The law says:

”When one parent was a U.S. citizen and the other a foreign national, the U.S. citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. for a total of 10 years prior to birth of the child with FIVE of the years after the age of 14.”

Stanley Ann Dunham did not meet requisite status. The law effected people born between December 23, 1952 and November 13, 1986

Wow, I do meet those requirements though. What thats telling me is if I am under age and knock up a foreign broad overseas, the kid can't be an American, yikes.

 

[High_Gravity]

Is the woman you have knocked up a U.S. citizen?

No, Italian.

Then how could the kid be a natural born U.S. citizen?

I guess the child won't, but will he or she still be considered a US Citizen at all?

 

[Katzndogz]

I read that Rubio was born in Miami to parents who were both Cuban citizens at the time of his birth. I have also read that it doesn't matter if Obama was born in Hawaii or not because according to the Constitution's definition, his father wasn't a citizen of the USA so Obama can't be a natural born citizen. The other arguments I have read, have people saying that because Obama's mother was a citizen and he was born here, he is a natural born citizen. So if either argument rings true. There is no possible way Rubio can be a natural born citizen if one of your parents has to be a citizen. Right?

So if your father is not American you aren't either?

You are a native born citizen, not a natural born citizen. A native citizen is born here of parents who were both citizens. A natural born citizen does not need any legal action (such as naturalization of a parent) to be a natural born citizen.

Look at it this way to make sense. A child of one American citizen and one British citizen is born in England. Is the child American or British? The child is British, born of a British citizen on British soil. There is a unique procedure to expedite the process of such children to become American citizens, but they are not at birth.

 

[High_Gravity]

I read that Rubio was born in Miami to parents who were both Cuban citizens at the time of his birth. I have also read that it doesn't matter if Obama was born in Hawaii or not because according to the Constitution's definition, his father wasn't a citizen of the USA so Obama can't be a natural born citizen. The other arguments I have read, have people saying that because Obama's mother was a citizen and he was born here, he is a natural born citizen. So if either argument rings true. There is no possible way Rubio can be a natural born citizen if one of your parents has to be a citizen. Right?

So if your father is not American you aren't either?

You are a native born citizen, not a natural born citizen. A native citizen is born here of parents who were both citizens. A natural born citizen does not need any legal action (such as naturalization of a parent) to be a natural born citizen.

Look at it this way to make sense. A child of one American citizen and one British citizen is born in England. Is the child American or British? The child is British, born of a British citizen on British soil. There is a unique procedure to expedite the process of such children to become American citizens, but they are not at birth.

Well in that situation you would have to go the US Embassy to get a an birth certificate for Americans born abroad no? Dual citizenship between England the US is not uncommon.

 

[Fred_Garvin]

I saw that.
Title 8 of the U.S. Code Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.


sorry i wasn't more specific, and sorry but Obama is a citizen no matter how much I dislike him as a president.

Title 8 Sec 1401 specifically defines only a Citizen, not a natual born Citizen. Article 2 Section 1 for the presidency specifically calls for the term 'Natural Born Citizen' to be eligible.:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

The only time a Citizen could be president was at the time of the adoption of the Constitution until time for Constitutional Article 2 natural born Citizen could be born several presidents later. Those first few Citizen presidents were grandfathered in, hence the Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 grandfather clause.

So basically only a person born in the US can run for President? what about John McCain? he was born in Panama.

No. McCain could run because he was born in Panama which was US territory at that time and the fact that he was born to TWO U.S. Citizen parents. A senate meeting had to be held to confirm that he was a natural born Citizen. It was called Senate Resolution 511 stating he was born to citizen parents (plural).