Roosevelt: His Bankrupt Policies

[JakeStarkey]

The malevolence is all yours, PC.

You're so stupid I bet you think academia is a type of nut.

You prove my point.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Schelsinger, PC's authority, says FDR was a success.

End of thread.

 

[Camp]

b. " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington
until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

You still have never responded to the multiple challenges to identify Manly. He has been a continued key source of your revisionist nonsense. I have shown with numerous links on multiple occasions he is the pen name used by a team of writers who wrote for a leading fascist and anti FDR newspaper executive and mogul. Tell people who this Manly guy was. You use him all the time and the quotes for one of the books credited to the name. That name represented the Snowden of his day as he released the pre WWII version of the Pentagon Papers. So worthy of the leaking of the document that Hitler actually used it in his declaration of war against America. That was some real anti American crap your favorite source dished out. The foundation for your thesis's are more often than not based on good old time 30's era anti Americanism of the Nazi fascist design. There is a direct and unquestionable relationship between your foundation source and the Nazi regime. It is most obviously found in the relationship of Rainbow Five, the War Department's secret contingency war plans, leaked two days before Pearl Harbor onto front page news, Dec. 5, 1941. Used by Hitler in his Declaration of War against America. But hey, if it was good enough anti American propaganda in those days, why not just keep using it?

 

[regent]

How can it be that the posts in this thread that scald Roosevelt for poor management of the economy go unchallenged, as in this thread...

.....yet the Liberal stenographers, the ones they call 'historians' praise him to the skies???



The leading academics find that the greatest modern Presidents are those that have made government bigger and more powerful, and have expanded the reach of the presidency, i.e., Woodrow Wilson and FDR. By the same token, those Presidents with a limited-government POV, such as Harding, Coolidge and Reagan, are treated dismissively by journalists and historians.


Liberals will always rate more liberal Presidents more highly than conservative Presidents, and since liberals dominate academia, it is no surprise that Liberal Democratic Presidents are more celebrated in the leading literature.



"Liberals have their pantheon of presidents, established by the New Deal historians. "Great presidents," in their view, are those who expand the size and scope of the federal government in the interest of the masses against the interests of the classes. By this criterion Franklin Roosevelt is one of the greatest presidents, in a line that includes Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt and Wilson.

Jackson believed in an extreme form of economic laissez-faire, and would have been aghast at FDR's public-works projects.
Lincoln was a Republican and, had he lived, this former railroad lawyer would surely have favored economic policies the New Dealers abhorred.

And history, we have learned in the past quarter-century, does not always move left. The masses sometimes decide that in their name you have expanded government too much and should pare it back." The Presidents - WSJ



The time will come when academics move closer to the truth, and Franklin Roosevelt will be seen as both the failure that he was, and the detriment to the values and designs of the Founders.

And the sycophants who swoon on his every deed.......woe betide ye.

I don't know that the historians rate presidents according to the values of the founders but more as to the values of the American people today. Maybe that's the
Republican problem trying to please people from two hundred plus years ago.
Anyway as the years roll by, FDR seems to get even stronger. If no one had announced his passing in 1945 we might still be voting for him.
Since FDR we have elected 12 new presidents, six of them Republicans and only one of the six Republicans made it to 20th best, the five other republicans were rated 23, 32, 31 and 38th best.
Keep em flying.

 

[Socialist]

Who the hell is this OP? All I'm seeing are a bunch of fear mongering quotes and bullshit, can the OP speak for herself?

 

[Camp]

b. " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington
until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

You still have never responded to the multiple challenges to identify Manly. He has been a continued key source of your revisionist nonsense. I have shown with numerous links on multiple occasions he is the pen name used by a team of writers who wrote for a leading fascist and anti FDR newspaper executive and mogul. Tell people who this Manly guy was. You use him all the time and the quotes for one of the books credited to the name. That name represented the Snowden of his day as he released the pre WWII version of the Pentagon Papers. So worthy of the leaking of the document that Hitler actually used it in his declaration of war against America. That was some real anti American crap your favorite source dished out. The foundation for your thesis's are more often than not based on good old time 30's era anti Americanism of the Nazi fascist design. There is a direct and unquestionable relationship between your foundation source and the Nazi regime. It is most obviously found in the relationship of Rainbow Five, the War Department's secret contingency war plans, leaked two days before Pearl Harbor onto front page news, Dec. 5, 1941. Used by Hitler in his Declaration of War against America. But hey, if it was good enough anti American propaganda in those days, why not just keep using it?

Waiting for a response.......

 

[PoliticalChic]

Since PC considers Arthur Schlesinger the foremost authority on FDR, let's cite his view of the Roosevelt 'failures':

The Hundred Days were only the start of a process that ended by transforming American society.

Who can now imagine a day when America offered no Social Security, no unemployment compensation, no food stamps, no Federal guarantee of bank deposits, no Federal supervision of the stock market, no Federal protection for collective bargaining, no Federal standards for wages and hours, no Federal support for farm prices or rural electrification, no Federal refinancing for farm and home mortgages, no Federal commitment to high employment or to equal opportunity - in short, no Federal responsibility for Americans who found themselves, through no fault of their own, in economic or social distress?

These social changes have won general approval. Even the Reagan counterrevolution, for all its 19th-century laissez-faire and Social Darwinist passions, shrinks from abolishing the framework of social protection -the ''safety nets'' - created by the New Deal.

The Hundred Days of F.D.R.

So....as you have voluntarily subscribed to the thread, and, seemingly, feel the need to defend FDR.....

....one might wonder why you have been unable to find any errors in the numerous posts I've provided in support of the title.

Not one.


Are you this much of a failure in every endeavor in your life?

Refute what Schlesinger said, or shut up.

Oooooo....

Appears I've hit a nerve with "Are you this much of a failure in every endeavor in your life?"

Seems you've answered in the affirmative.

Okay so you can't refute what Schlesinger said. He proves you wrong. Case closed.

So none of you can dispute even a single of the the charges against the mismanagement of the economy by Franklin Roosevelt?

Not one????

 

[PoliticalChic]

Who the hell is this OP? All I'm seeing are a bunch of fear mongering quotes and bullshit, can the OP speak for herself?

So none of you can dispute even a single of the the charges against the mismanagement of the economy by Franklin Roosevelt?

Not one????

 

[PoliticalChic]

Schelsinger, PC's authority, says FDR was a success.

End of thread.

So none of you can dispute even a single of the the charges against the mismanagement of the economy by Franklin Roosevelt?

Not one????

 

[PoliticalChic]

b. " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington
until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

You still have never responded to the multiple challenges to identify Manly. He has been a continued key source of your revisionist nonsense. I have shown with numerous links on multiple occasions he is the pen name used by a team of writers who wrote for a leading fascist and anti FDR newspaper executive and mogul. Tell people who this Manly guy was. You use him all the time and the quotes for one of the books credited to the name. That name represented the Snowden of his day as he released the pre WWII version of the Pentagon Papers. So worthy of the leaking of the document that Hitler actually used it in his declaration of war against America. That was some real anti American crap your favorite source dished out. The foundation for your thesis's are more often than not based on good old time 30's era anti Americanism of the Nazi fascist design. There is a direct and unquestionable relationship between your foundation source and the Nazi regime. It is most obviously found in the relationship of Rainbow Five, the War Department's secret contingency war plans, leaked two days before Pearl Harbor onto front page news, Dec. 5, 1941. Used by Hitler in his Declaration of War against America. But hey, if it was good enough anti American propaganda in those days, why not just keep using it?

So none of you can dispute even a single of the the charges against the mismanagement of the economy by Franklin Roosevelt?

Not one????

 

[PoliticalChic]

How can it be that the posts in this thread that scald Roosevelt for poor management of the economy go unchallenged, as in this thread...

.....yet the Liberal stenographers, the ones they call 'historians' praise him to the skies???



The leading academics find that the greatest modern Presidents are those that have made government bigger and more powerful, and have expanded the reach of the presidency, i.e., Woodrow Wilson and FDR. By the same token, those Presidents with a limited-government POV, such as Harding, Coolidge and Reagan, are treated dismissively by journalists and historians.


Liberals will always rate more liberal Presidents more highly than conservative Presidents, and since liberals dominate academia, it is no surprise that Liberal Democratic Presidents are more celebrated in the leading literature.



"Liberals have their pantheon of presidents, established by the New Deal historians. "Great presidents," in their view, are those who expand the size and scope of the federal government in the interest of the masses against the interests of the classes. By this criterion Franklin Roosevelt is one of the greatest presidents, in a line that includes Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt and Wilson.

Jackson believed in an extreme form of economic laissez-faire, and would have been aghast at FDR's public-works projects.
Lincoln was a Republican and, had he lived, this former railroad lawyer would surely have favored economic policies the New Dealers abhorred.

And history, we have learned in the past quarter-century, does not always move left. The masses sometimes decide that in their name you have expanded government too much and should pare it back." The Presidents - WSJ



The time will come when academics move closer to the truth, and Franklin Roosevelt will be seen as both the failure that he was, and the detriment to the values and designs of the Founders.

And the sycophants who swoon on his every deed.......woe betide ye.

I don't know that the historians rate presidents according to the values of the founders but more as to the values of the American people today. Maybe that's the
Republican problem trying to please people from two hundred plus years ago.
Anyway as the years roll by, FDR seems to get even stronger. If no one had announced his passing in 1945 we might still be voting for him.
Since FDR we have elected 12 new presidents, six of them Republicans and only one of the six Republicans made it to 20th best, the five other republicans were rated 23, 32, 31 and 38th best.
Keep em flying.

So none of you can dispute even a single of the the charges against the mismanagement of the economy by Franklin Roosevelt?

Not one????

 

[Camp]

b. " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington
until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

You still have never responded to the multiple challenges to identify Manly. He has been a continued key source of your revisionist nonsense. I have shown with numerous links on multiple occasions he is the pen name used by a team of writers who wrote for a leading fascist and anti FDR newspaper executive and mogul. Tell people who this Manly guy was. You use him all the time and the quotes for one of the books credited to the name. That name represented the Snowden of his day as he released the pre WWII version of the Pentagon Papers. So worthy of the leaking of the document that Hitler actually used it in his declaration of war against America. That was some real anti American crap your favorite source dished out. The foundation for your thesis's are more often than not based on good old time 30's era anti Americanism of the Nazi fascist design. There is a direct and unquestionable relationship between your foundation source and the Nazi regime. It is most obviously found in the relationship of Rainbow Five, the War Department's secret contingency war plans, leaked two days before Pearl Harbor onto front page news, Dec. 5, 1941. Used by Hitler in his Declaration of War against America. But hey, if it was good enough anti American propaganda in those days, why not just keep using it?

So none of you can dispute even a single of the the charges against the mismanagement of the economy by Franklin Roosevelt?

Not one????

Kleptocrats, corporatist and fascist hate FDR. He crapped on their games just as they were getting started.
Does anyone know how many people are going to get electricity from the Grand Coulee Dam or drive through the Lincoln Tunnel this weekend?

"Kleptocrats, corporatist and fascist hate FDR."
Really a stupid post in your attempt to shield Roosevelt.

It is true. People thought they needed the wealthy made powerful by wealth to guide them through economic issues. FDR turned on his own kind, the privileged wealthy aristocrats. They hated him for joining with the "lower classes" of working people and common farmers. He brought them into a New Deal, where the so called "lower classes" were allowed to shape their own futures with the fruits of their labor.

Stalin hated Trotsky, Lenin hated Stalin.....
...but they were all Bolsheviks.

Who really cares which commies got along with which commies 100 years ago? Just a bunch of distracting trivia to deflect and muddy the waters.



"...how many people are going to get electricity from the Grand Coulee Dam..."

Hitler was a great painter.
Two coats in an afternoon.

You surely have no room to talk about other people making stupid post. FDR approved of and helped get a long list of Dams built by the so called "unemployed" as part of his New Deal. You like to spout off about unemployment when promoting the extended Depression nonsense. The people you list as unemployed and hence, a key element you use in your claim, were building things like the Coulee Dam along with many other Dams, and all manner of infrastructure that we continue to benefit from to this day. You definitely do not want to get into that discussion. I have well over a thousand links to FDR infrastructure accomplishments even if I only use the ones being used today.


Roosevelt extended the Depression by years due to his economic policies.
And he extended WWII by years by following Stalin's orders.


Answered above. He was loved by the country for the way he provided for the poor during the depression and created honest work. He was loved by those who fought and their families who awaited for them to come home. His skilled leadership reduced casualties and ended the war on a schedule that kept those casualties low. Stalin was FDR's bitch. He was manipulated into sacrifice of 10 million of his troops to soften the Nazi's for us. The casualty numbers fighting Nazi's tell who followed who.

You're a love-sick fool.
I hate to be the one to tell you....but Franklin Roosevelt passed away.

Yes, I know, I have been to three of his Memorials. Most Presidents get only one. For some reason FDR ended up with three. He needs one more to match the number of times us silly Americans elected him to lead us as President.
.

You were responded to in post #36 on four of your claims. Your claim that FDR prolonged the Depression was with a response concerning your misuse of unemployment figures that you have always used in your many anti FDR threads. The only way your claim works is when you count workers on the government projects that employed millions as unemployed because their jobs are counted as "relief" and "public assistance".
You don't respond to challenges to your claims. You just ignore. You absolutely refuse to answer the challenge to one of your main sources for the drivel you promote. Who was Manly? Contest what I have challenged you on about Manly. Tell why you need a fascist propaganda tool to promote your ideas.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Schelsinger, PC's authority, says FDR was a success.

End of thread.

So none of you can dispute even a single of the the charges against the mismanagement of the economy by Franklin Roosevelt?

Not one????

We agree that your expert, Schlesinger, does a pretty good job evaluating FDR.

 

[JakeStarkey]

She can't debate. That is why she won't respond but simply attack personality instead. She can't do anything else.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Your claim that FDR prolonged the Depression .

not only did he prolong but he turned it into a world war that killed 60 million!!!


****Here's what Henry Morgenthau, FDR's Secretary of the Treasury (the man who desperately needed the New Deal to succeed as much as Roosevelt) said about the New Deal stimulus:

"We have tried spending money.We are spending more than we ever have spent before and it does not work... We have never made good on our promises...I say after eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started... And an enormous debt to boot!"


"The New Republic"( at the time a FDR greatest supporter") noted. In June 1939, the federal public works programs still supported almost 19 million people, nearly 15% of the population" [page 313]

In fact in 1939, unemployment was at 17%, and there were 11 million additional in stimulus make work welfare jobs. Today when the population is 2.5 times greater we have only 8 million unemployed. Conclusion: legislation to make Democrats illegal
is urgently needed

 

[JakeStarkey]

The fabrication of the day is "not only did he prolong but he turned it into a world war that killed 60 million!!!"

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Who the hell is this OP? All I'm seeing are a bunch of fear mongering quotes and bullshit, can the OP speak for herself?

Dear, FDR liberalism prolonged the depression for 14 years that included a world war. It was the worst economic record in American History and much like the economic record of the USSR and Red China. Do you know why our liberals spied for Stalin and not Mao?? I'd say it was racial prejudice. What do you think??

 

[Camp]

Your claim that FDR prolonged the Depression .

not only did he prolong but he turned it into a world war that killed 60 million!!!


****Here's what Henry Morgenthau, FDR's Secretary of the Treasury (the man who desperately needed the New Deal to succeed as much as Roosevelt) said about the New Deal stimulus:

"We have tried spending money.We are spending more than we ever have spent before and it does not work... We have never made good on our promises...I say after eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started... And an enormous debt to boot!"


"The New Republic"( at the time a FDR greatest supporter") noted. In June 1939, the federal public works programs still supported almost 19 million people, nearly 15% of the population" [page 313]

In fact in 1939, unemployment was at 17%, and there were 11 million additional in stimulus make work welfare jobs. Today when the population is 2.5 times greater we have only 8 million unemployed. Conclusion: legislation to make Democrats illegal
is urgently needed

Your claim that FDR prolonged the Depression .

not only did he prolong but he turned it into a world war that killed 60 million!!!


****Here's what Henry Morgenthau, FDR's Secretary of the Treasury (the man who desperately needed the New Deal to succeed as much as Roosevelt) said about the New Deal stimulus:

"We have tried spending money.We are spending more than we ever have spent before and it does not work... We have never made good on our promises...I say after eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started... And an enormous debt to boot!"


"The New Republic"( at the time a FDR greatest supporter") noted. In June 1939, the federal public works programs still supported almost 19 million people, nearly 15% of the population" [page 313]

In fact in 1939, unemployment was at 17%, and there were 11 million additional in stimulus make work welfare jobs. Today when the population is 2.5 times greater we have only 8 million unemployed. Conclusion: legislation to make Democrats illegal
is urgently needed

Sir, as the previous poster notes, you begin with a very biased and opinionated comment and state it as if if is a fact rather than an opinion. Very telling.
You quote Morgenthhau but fail to understand the context of his words or the differing goals he had from Roosevelt. Morgantheu's priorities were in banks and industry and did not have the patience of FDR. Roosevelt was willing to let the banks and industry wait because his first priority was the reduction of suffering of the masses. Their criteria for judging the progress or lack of progress differed.
You use the figure of 15% unemployment for 1939. That indicated you are referring to the old Lebergott method of calculating that counted those on relief programs as unemployed. The later Darby method that counts the employees as people earning paychecks for work no matter where the funds came from is more accurate and accepted today. If the Lebergott figures are used, the unemployment for the year 1939 are as high as 17.2%, using the Darby method they reduce to 11.3%.
You actually confirm this when you note that the government was employing 19 million people on work programs. You may consider that as prolonging the depression. The 19 million working citizens you reference and were collecting pay checks would disagree with you.

 

[JakeStarkey]

eddy has learned his discussion technique from PoliticalChic.

He makes an absurd assertion, spouts non-causal "evidence", and keeps yelling.

 

[Socialist]

Who the hell is this OP? All I'm seeing are a bunch of fear mongering quotes and bullshit, can the OP speak for herself?

Dear, FDR liberalism prolonged the depression for 14 years that included a world war. It was the worst economic record in American History and much like the economic record of the USSR and Red China. Do you know why our liberals spied for Stalin and not Mao?? I'd say it was racial prejudice. What do you think??

Jesus christ, what a crock of horse shit, you'd have to be sniffing some strong drugs and love revisionist history to even remotely think this. Our liberals spied for stalin and Mao? LOL, what the fuck are you talking about?