Republicans want to end pre-exisiting conditions (PECS)

[dblack]

what does it mean to you to say that "xxx should be a right"?

To me, saying something should be a right means it should be protected from laws limiting said activity (Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of association, etc...). Clearly you have something else in mind.

Nope. A right to minimal health care. Freedom to remain reasonably healthy in order to be as self-sufficient and productive as possible.

So, if I get cancer, and the government doesn't cure me - are my rights being violated? Are they denying my freedom to remain reasonably healthy?

Protected from laws limiting care to only new health issues, for example..

Has there ever been such a law?? I've certainly never heard of such a thing.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

what does it mean to you to say that "xxx should be a right"?

To me, saying something should be a right means it should be protected from laws limiting said activity (Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of association, etc...). Clearly you have something else in mind.

Nope. A right to minimal health care.

Codified somewhere? I mean, the idea is quite new. Where from, other than opinion?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Insurance is an assumption of risk. One cannot assume a risk that has already occurred and call it insurance. It then becomes charity.

 

[deanrd]

The idea that insurance should cover pre-existing illness is utterly irrational.

True. Privately insuring pre-existing illness makes exactly as much sense as privately insuring existing illness, employers offering any such coverage as well. None whatsoever. Problem is you can't just pick and choose the stuff that only helps the rich who, of course, don't really need any of it anyway. They're rich!

It seems like you put some thought into this, but I read it three times and could make no sense out of it. Can you clarify or rephrase this post?

They don’t understand that you could make anything pre-existing. You could say you had a splinter in your hand and you can’t be covered with healthcare because you had a pre-existing condition.

WTF are you talking about??? Pre-existing conditions are illnesses or health problems you have before buying insurance. You don't really even seem to comprehend the topic of your thread.

Not terribly bright are you? You know you could do a little research before you spoke up. Some healthcare companies even considered a mammogram a pre-existing condition.
Have you ever considered spending a minute looking something up so you don’t look stupid?

What Exactly Is a Pre-Existing Condition Anyway?

A wide range of major and minor health issues could be considered pre-existing. Pre-ACA, common conditions that typically triggered an outright denial ranged from cancer, heart disease and diabetes to pregnancy, depression and sleep apnea, according to an analysis of major insurer underwriting guidelines by Kaiser Family Foundation.

Taking certain medications also could result in an insurance denial, including prescription drugs for arthritis, infertility, diabetes, cancer, mental health issues and anemia, according to Kaiser’s report.

Beyond being denied coverage, many people were “rated up” or charged higher premiums or excluded coverage for specific conditions including acne, ear infections, bone fractures, menstrual irregularities, varicose veins and being overweight.

 

[Oddball]

Rep. Elissa Slotkin Defends Bill to Protect People with Pre-Existing Conditions

For a true pre-existing condition bill there should be no underwriting, just age and male or female.

Good.

 

[Oddball]

Yep, that's how insurance works. It's a way for people to protect their savings from bankruptcy. If you don't have a savings, you don't need insurance - you need more money.

Big labor and socialists have tried to confuse the issue by promoting employer-provided, group "insurance", which isn't really insurance at all, but instead employer provided health care. I don't really get why they thought it was a good idea to make people dependent on their employers for health care.

They've conflated "insurance" (financial protection from the unforeseeable) with pre-paid medical for all interactions with anyone wearing scrubs and/or a lab coat.

It's dishonest as hell...But they're Marxists, so it only follows.

 

[Oddball]

WTF are you talking about??? Pre-existing conditions are illnesses or health problems you have before buying insurance.

How does it make sense to first tell them you're sick so they can deny your coverage? If you need help you don't get any. If you don't need it, fine!

How does it make sense to wait until you wreck you car to demand collision coverage from your insurer?

 

[dblack]

Some healthcare companies even considered a mammogram a pre-existing condition. Have you ever considered spending a minute looking something up so you don’t look stupid?

Link? I don't believe you. A mammogram isn't even a 'condition', much less a pre-existing condition. You're talking out of your ass again.

 

[deanrd]

WTF are you talking about??? Pre-existing conditions are illnesses or health problems you have before buying insurance.

How does it make sense to first tell them you're sick so they can deny your coverage? If you need help you don't get any. If you don't need it, fine!

How does it make sense to wait until you wreck you car to demand collision coverage from your insurer?

It’s the law to have insurance for your car. Duh!

 

[deanrd]

Some healthcare companies even considered a mammogram a pre-existing condition. Have you ever considered spending a minute looking something up so you don’t look stupid?

Link? I don't believe you. A mammogram isn't even a 'condition', much less a pre-existing condition. You're talking out of your ass again.

I gave you a link just a couple of posts ago fukt@rd. What the hell is wrong with you?
If you want your own link just do a Google search with mammogram is a pre-existing condition. You can choose who you want to read it from if you don’t like the link I provided.

 

[Grumblenuts]

If you need help you don't get any. If you don't need it, fine!

Yep, that's how insurance works. It's a way for people to protect their savings from bankruptcy. If you don't have a savings, you don't need insurance - you need more money.

One needs to be reasonably healthy in order to make money in order to create the savings that some different form of insurance might protect (life, auto, homeowners, ...)

Big labor and socialists have tried to confuse the issue by promoting employer-provided, group "insurance", which isn't really insurance at all, but instead employer provided health care. I don't really get why they thought it was a good idea to make people dependent on their employers for health care.

The history is no secret and corporatists reacting to war time labor restrictions mainly pushed for it. Sucks now in any case.

Why big employers largely still want to make people dependent on them for health care is no secret either. They want all their employees constantly feeling insecure, fearing loss of their health care should they decide to ask for a raise, simply quit, or try going elsewhere.

 

[Oddball]

WTF are you talking about??? Pre-existing conditions are illnesses or health problems you have before buying insurance.

How does it make sense to first tell them you're sick so they can deny your coverage? If you need help you don't get any. If you don't need it, fine!

How does it make sense to wait until you wreck you car to demand collision coverage from your insurer?

It’s the law to have insurance for your car. Duh!

There's no law that forces you to have collision coverage, dimwit.

 

[dblack]

Some healthcare companies even considered a mammogram a pre-existing condition. Have you ever considered spending a minute looking something up so you don’t look stupid?

Link? I don't believe you. A mammogram isn't even a 'condition', much less a pre-existing condition. You're talking out of your ass again.

I gave you a link just a couple of posts ago fukt@rd. What the hell is wrong with you?

The link didn't say anything about mammograms being considered pre-existing conditions. What the hell is wrong with you?

 

[Oddball]

If you need help you don't get any. If you don't need it, fine!

Yep, that's how insurance works. It's a way for people to protect their savings from bankruptcy. If you don't have a savings, you don't need insurance - you need more money.

One needs to be reasonably healthy in order to make money in order to create the savings that some different form of insurance might protect (life, auto, homeowners, ...)

Truisms and platitudes aren't arguments.

Big labor and socialists have tried to confuse the issue by promoting employer-provided, group "insurance", which isn't really insurance at all, but instead employer provided health care. I don't really get why they thought it was a good idea to make people dependent on their employers for health care.

The history is no secret and corporatists reacting to war time labor restrictions mainly pushed for it. Sucks now in any case.

So the answer to bad socialistic policy is now a total takeover and monopolization by the same entity -The State- that screwed up the works in the first place!

How could anyone miss such an obvious solution?

 

[deanrd]

Some healthcare companies even considered a mammogram a pre-existing condition. Have you ever considered spending a minute looking something up so you don’t look stupid?

Link? I don't believe you. A mammogram isn't even a 'condition', much less a pre-existing condition. You're talking out of your ass again.

I gave you a link just a couple of posts ago fukt@rd. What the hell is wrong with you?

The link didn't say anything about mammograms being considered pre-existing conditions. What the hell is wrong with you?

You didn’t even read the article.

Repealing Obamacare Could Make Screening For Some Cancers Unaffordable Again

I don’t understand why you’re kind just takes whatever the Republican Party says as gospel. You have a president that’s lied 10,000 times and more. You have a party that promised tax cuts for the middle class and gave them to billionaires. Don’t you get tired of believing lies? Instead of attacking Democrats why don’t you do a little research and learn something on your own? Isn’t that a novel idea?

 

[Grumblenuts]

what does it mean to you to say that "xxx should be a right"?

To me, saying something should be a right means it should be protected from laws limiting said activity (Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of association, etc...). Clearly you have something else in mind.

Nope. A right to minimal health care. Freedom to remain reasonably healthy in order to be as self-sufficient and productive as possible.

So, if I get cancer, and the government doesn't cure me - are my rights being violated? Are they denying my freedom to remain reasonably healthy?

Protected from laws limiting care to only new health issues, for example..

Has there ever been such a law?? I've certainly never heard of such a thing.

Tautology. "Reasonable" and "as possible" meaning within reason. You don't think the government can be reasonably expected to cure one's cancer. Neither do I. People can make these decisions. Why leave it all up to profit motivated corporations?

And what you claim to have never heard of is obviously the existing ACA provision being discussed here.

 

[Rambunctious]

Rep. Elissa Slotkin Defends Bill to Protect People with Pre-Existing Conditions

For a true pre-existing condition bill there should be no underwriting, just age and male or female.

How many times are you going to push this lie you skanke....stop lying...

 

[Rambunctious]

Some healthcare companies even considered a mammogram a pre-existing condition. Have you ever considered spending a minute looking something up so you don’t look stupid?

Link? I don't believe you. A mammogram isn't even a 'condition', much less a pre-existing condition. You're talking out of your ass again.

I gave you a link just a couple of posts ago fukt@rd. What the hell is wrong with you?

The link didn't say anything about mammograms being considered pre-existing conditions. What the hell is wrong with you?

You didn’t even read the article.

Repealing Obamacare Could Make Screening For Some Cancers Unaffordable Again

I don’t understand why you’re kind just takes whatever the Republican Party says as gospel. You have a president that’s lied 10,000 times and more. You have a party that promised tax cuts for the middle class and gave them to billionaires. Don’t you get tired of believing lies? Instead of attacking Democrats why don’t you do a little research and learn something on your own? Isn’t that a novel idea?

LMFAO...look at your link...Repealing Obamacare Could Make Screening For Some Cancers Unaffordable...
You tards are the could of maybe might IF party....are you people even real?...the problem is you and your ilk are never right....ever.... you are never right about anything...not just wrong but dangerously wrong...on every issue that pops up...

 

[Grumblenuts]

what does it mean to you to say that "xxx should be a right"?

To me, saying something should be a right means it should be protected from laws limiting said activity (Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of association, etc...). Clearly you have something else in mind.

Nope. A right to minimal health care.

Codified somewhere? I mean, the idea is quite new. Where from, other than opinion?

Scandinavians, hell most of the world now simply treats reasonable, minimal health care as a right. They gladly pay more taxes in exchange for much better health care and outcomes, freedom to work where they choose, higher productivity, and no out of pocket essential health care costs.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Insurance is an assumption of risk. One cannot assume a risk that has already occurred and call it insurance. It then becomes charity.

A pre-existing condition is a continuing risk. If it were finished ("already occurred") there would be nothing for the insurance corporation (you?) to worry about insuring against. Play with the words all you like. You can't fool everyone.