Republicans "fix" Obamacare

[rightwinger]

Somehow Democrats want to keep working folks limited to just 30
hours? Denying them the ability to earn enough to live on?

Who is limiting workers to 30 hours?
Democrats or employers trying to duck providing healthcare?

For an employer, adding a health insurance benefit is very costly. If an employer cannot afford that cost, are they really a rat bastard for trying to find ways out of having to eat it?

They may be faced with only two choices. Go out of business and everyone loses their jobs, or cut back the hours to avoid the cost they cannot afford.

Imagine if we had universal healthcare? No employer would be stuck with the burden of their employees health

But that would be........SOCIALISM

Yep. Which is why it is called socialized medicine.

And the fact is that taxpayers would be stuck with the burden. Health care does not magically become free just because someone else is paying your bill.

Very true

And a persons health is the most valuable thing they have. Most industrialized nations have figured that out

 

[RKMBrown]

Somehow Democrats want to keep working folks limited to just 30
hours? Denying them the ability to earn enough to live on?

Who is limiting workers to 30 hours?
Democrats or employers trying to duck providing healthcare?

For an employer, adding a health insurance benefit is very costly. If an employer cannot afford that cost, are they really a rat bastard for trying to find ways out of having to eat it?

They may be faced with only two choices. Go out of business and everyone loses their jobs, or cut back the hours to avoid the cost they cannot afford.

Imagine if we had universal healthcare? No employer would be stuck with the burden of their employees health

But that would be........SOCIALISM

What makes you think we'd ever have a health care system where corporations pay no taxes, where the cost of taxes for employees is not a factor in how much income that employee demands for return on labor? Are you mentally handicapped?

 

[RKMBrown]

Somehow Democrats want to keep working folks limited to just 30
hours? Denying them the ability to earn enough to live on?

Who is limiting workers to 30 hours?
Democrats or employers trying to duck providing healthcare?

For an employer, adding a health insurance benefit is very costly. If an employer cannot afford that cost, are they really a rat bastard for trying to find ways out of having to eat it?

They may be faced with only two choices. Go out of business and everyone loses their jobs, or cut back the hours to avoid the cost they cannot afford.

Imagine if we had universal healthcare? No employer would be stuck with the burden of their employees health

But that would be........SOCIALISM

Yep. Which is why it is called socialized medicine.

And the fact is that taxpayers would be stuck with the burden. Health care does not magically become free just because someone else is paying your bill.

Very true

And a persons health is the most valuable thing they have. Most industrialized nations have figured that out

Oh I see so you are willing to give up ALL OTHER FUNCTIONS OF GOVERNMENT so long as the best health care our labor and assets can buy is distributed out by this government. ROFL you libs are so retarded.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Imagine if we had universal healthcare? No employer would be stuck with the burden of their employees health

But that would be........SOCIALISM

yes dear they tried it in the Soviet Union. Have you heard of the USSR? It turns out 60 million slowly starved to death and the rest lived at 20% of our standard of living.

a liberal has to be 100000% ignorant not to know that!!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Oh I see so you are willing to give up ALL OTHER FUNCTIONS OF GOVERNMENT so long as the best health care our labor and assets can buy is distributed out by this government. ROFL you libs are so retarded.

yes it is very much like Cuba. All resources are directed toward health care which is not bad there! But, boats are illegal in Cuba.

Do you know why?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Washington tinkers with Obamacare amid mixed results for health law - CBS News


So, Republicans want to help workers by changing the full time threshold from 30 hours to 40 hours. So now, if an employer doesn't want to pay for health insurance he just has to cut them from 40 to 39 hours a week

Why don't Republicans just come out and admit they don't want anyone to have healthcare?




.

So much for republicans seeking sound, responsible governance.

 

[RKMBrown]

Oh I see so you are willing to give up ALL OTHER FUNCTIONS OF GOVERNMENT so long as the best health care our labor and assets can buy is distributed out by this government. ROFL you libs are so retarded.

yes it is very much like Cuba. All resources are directed toward health care which is not bad there! But, boats are illegal in Cuba.

Do you know why?

I lived in FL during the Cuban boat lifts. No one is allowed to escape Cuba, cause they don't want anyone to tell the world how much of a chamber of horrors their health care really is.

 

[rightwinger]

Somehow Democrats want to keep working folks limited to just 30
hours? Denying them the ability to earn enough to live on?

Who is limiting workers to 30 hours?
Democrats or employers trying to duck providing healthcare?

For an employer, adding a health insurance benefit is very costly. If an employer cannot afford that cost, are they really a rat bastard for trying to find ways out of having to eat it?

They may be faced with only two choices. Go out of business and everyone loses their jobs, or cut back the hours to avoid the cost they cannot afford.

Imagine if we had universal healthcare? No employer would be stuck with the burden of their employees health

But that would be........SOCIALISM

What makes you think we'd ever have a health care system where corporations pay no taxes, where the cost of taxes for employees is not a factor in how much income that employee demands for return on labor? Are you mentally handicapped?

Who ever said corporations will pay no taxes?
They are obligated to contribute to the society that they so benefit from
A corporation free of the burden of employee health insurance can offer more salary

 

[rightwinger]

Imagine if we had universal healthcare? No employer would be stuck with the burden of their employees health

But that would be........SOCIALISM

yes dear they tried it in the Soviet Union. Have you heard of the USSR? It turns out 60 million slowly starved to death and the rest lived at 20% of our standard of living.

a liberal has to be 100000% ignorant not to know that!!

Seems to be doing well in Canada and England though

 

[RKMBrown]

Somehow Democrats want to keep working folks limited to just 30
hours? Denying them the ability to earn enough to live on?

Who is limiting workers to 30 hours?
Democrats or employers trying to duck providing healthcare?

For an employer, adding a health insurance benefit is very costly. If an employer cannot afford that cost, are they really a rat bastard for trying to find ways out of having to eat it?

They may be faced with only two choices. Go out of business and everyone loses their jobs, or cut back the hours to avoid the cost they cannot afford.

Imagine if we had universal healthcare? No employer would be stuck with the burden of their employees health

But that would be........SOCIALISM

What makes you think we'd ever have a health care system where corporations pay no taxes, where the cost of taxes for employees is not a factor in how much income that employee demands for return on labor? Are you mentally handicapped?

Who ever said corporations will pay no taxes?
They are obligated to contribute to the society that they so benefit from
A corporation free of the burden of employee health insurance can offer more salary

What's the difference between paying for health care directly and paying for health care through taxation with Government acting as a middleman? What benefit do employees and employers get with Government taking their money?

"Contribute" WTF are you talking about? Why should corporation A "contribute to the health care of unprofitable corporations? WTF ? HOW THE HELL CAN A PROFITABLE CORPORATION GIVE THEIR EMPLOYEES HIGHER WAGES WHEN THEY ARE BEING PUNISHED WITH TAXES FOR PAYING FOR HEALTH CARE OF UNPROFITABLE CORPORATIONS? WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?

 

[Freewill]

Hack media outlets depend on their rubes blindly parroting bullshit claims like how health care costs have "skyrocketed" since ObamaCare was passed, because they know it takes more work to debunk a claim than it does to just spew one out of your ass.

Is this the argument, that the cost of healthcare skyrocketed because not everyone had healthcare insurance?

What time period are you speaking of? And we should avoid the use of "skyrocketed". It's bogus.

If you are speaking about the per capita cost of health care prior to ObamaCare, and the fact that it was outpacing inflation for decades, the reasons for that are many. Too many fools try to pin blame for our incredibly complex system on this one thing or that one thing. It was a combination of many things.

Ok, skyrocket or outpacing inflation big dif. No, what is the reasoning for, simply stated, and what did Obamacare do to contain cost, other then arbitrarily dropping medicare and medicaid payments?

ObamaCare did not drop Medicare or Medicaid payments. In fact, Medicaid was greatly expanded. There was a cut to Medicare Advantage to pay for an expansion of regular Medicare.

I personally don't believe ObamaCare did anything to contain costs. ObamaCare actually more deeply embedded one of the very things which bends the cost curve up: employer-sponsored health insurance. He did this because he is in the pocket of labor unions and that benefit is a big union boondoggle. It was this very thing which told me ObamaCare had nothing to do with making health care cheaper.

The whole thing was a bait-and-switch con job.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/28/us/obamacare-medicaid-fee-increases-expiring.html?_r=0

The Affordable Care Act provided a big increase in Medicaid payments for primary care in 2013 and 2014. But the increase expires on Thursday — just weeks after the Obama administration told the Supreme Court that doctors and other providers had no legal right to challenge the adequacy of payments they received from Medicaid.

The impact will vary by state, but a study by the Urban Institute, a nonpartisan research organization, estimates that doctors who have been receiving the enhanced payments will see their fees for primary care cut by 43 percent, on average.


This is the problem with the government take over, what they giveth they can taketh away.

As to employer sponsored health care. What I think is that everyone should fend for themselves in the Market Place. Then if the companies come to an agreement then they can share the cost.

 

[whitehall]

The point of the post is that the radical left doesn't want to "fix" a 3,000 page law in any way? What a regressive bunch.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

So now, if an employer doesn't want to pay for health insurance he just has to cut them from 40 to 39 hours a week
.

dear a 40 or 39 hour week is normal a 29 or 30 hour week is part time. Republicans want to restore the 40 hour week!! They want incentives for full time work!!

Is this really over a liberals head??

 

[rightwinger]

So now, if an employer doesn't want to pay for health insurance he just has to cut them from 40 to 39 hours a week
.

dear a 40 or 39 hour week is normal a 29 or 30 hour week is part time. Republicans want to restore the 40 hour week!! They want incentives for full time work!!

Is this really over a liberals head??

EXACTLY dear

An employer is barely phased by reducing the workweek by one hour to save himself from having to pay for healthcare

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

So now, if an employer doesn't want to pay for health insurance he just has to cut them from 40 to 39 hours a week
.

dear a 40 or 39 hour week is normal a 29 or 30 hour week is part time. Republicans want to restore the 40 hour week!! They want incentives for full time work!!

Is this really over a liberals head??

EXACTLY dear

An employer is barely phased by reducing the workweek by one hour to save himself from having to pay for healthcare

dear, I think the point is to restore the 40 or 39 hour week so Americans have full time jobs again!! Still to complicated for you??

 

[Stephanie]

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The GOP’s Mandate Strategy
Don’t raise the cutoff to 40 hours.
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Republican leadership has an odd idea for one of its first big policy pushes of this Congress: a change to Obamacare that threatens to make the law worse.

The idea, expected to come to a vote in the House on Thursday, is to change Obamacare’s requirement that most employers provide full-time workers with generous health insurance, a rule known as the “employer mandate.” (Or the “employer shared responsibility provisions,” if you prefer Gruber-speak). It sets the definition of full-time work at 30 hours a week.

Republicans have been making the case for some time — and no small number of Democrats and liberals are sympathetic — that employers will reduce workers’ hours to avoid paying the substantial penalty or providing costly insurance, and that this outweighs the benefits of some workers’ getting insurance thanks to the rule.

The current GOP plan, in the main, is to raise the threshold for full-time work to 40 hours. That may be a more reasonable definition, but there are more Americans who work 40 hours a week or a bit more than there are who work just over 30 hours. The proposal risks, theoretically, cuts to the working hours of many more workers. Research by the Obamacare-friendly Commonwealth Fund seems to support this argument; the CBO did not look at the question closely but predicts little total shift in hours either way.

Republicans also propose to change how the law calculates the number of employees a business has, exempting more small businesses from the mandate. While this can only have a salutary effect for workers and wages, there’s little reason not to go much further and repeal the entire mandate.
Repealing a substantial tax on full-time work will increase the supply of labor and the demand for it — both, as it happens, indicators on which the American economy continues to struggle.

all of it here:
The GOP s Mandate Strategy National Review Online

 

[SwimExpert]

I'm sure you didn't even bother to read the link I posted that had the links did you?
God I can't stand lazy people.
ACA state exchanges
Survey of Non-Group Health Insurance Enrollees The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation
You have had two graphs supplied to you by reputable resources and you are still in denial and now you have two links. I'll put money on it that you will still be sucking in opinionated talking points and stand by them over the real world.

Nothing in any of your links supports any assertion about health care costs going down, or Obamacare in any way accomplishing anything to eliminate the rising costs of health care.

Oh, another link I forgot.
EHBS 2014 8211 Section One Cost of Health Insurance 8211 8625 The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation
Now compare the numbers to the chart posted earlier.
Secondly, I never said the rates went down, I said they hadn't grown as quickly, actually I haven't seen anyone make the claim that "health care costs going down, or Obamacare in any way accomplishing anything to eliminate the rising costs of health care."
I want to remind you that I am no fan of Obamacare because of the mandate, which I have been saying since the get-go. I just get sick of the exaggerations and the desire to stay with the status quo, that plays right into the most expensive healthcare system in the world's hands.
A huge majority of economists say the the US can't sustained the cost growth of healthcare. But let's keep the status quo anyway, right?

So let me get this straight.....you refuted a post but did not actually refute it. Apparently you can't be bothered to actually know what is being said in the first place, and just argue "against" whatever you want other people to be saying. Congratulations dumb fuck.

 

[Nyvin]

Somehow Democrats want to keep working folks limited to just 30
hours? Denying them the ability to earn enough to live on?

Who is limiting workers to 30 hours?
Democrats or employers trying to duck providing healthcare?

For an employer, adding a health insurance benefit is very costly. If an employer cannot afford that cost, are they really a rat bastard for trying to find ways out of having to eat it?

They may be faced with only two choices. Go out of business and everyone loses their jobs, or cut back the hours to avoid the cost they cannot afford.

Imagine if we had universal healthcare? No employer would be stuck with the burden of their employees health

But that would be........SOCIALISM

Yep. Which is why it is called socialized medicine.

And the fact is that taxpayers would be stuck with the burden. Health care does not magically become free just because someone else is paying your bill.

It's cheaper then what we have now

 

[RKMBrown]

Somehow Democrats want to keep working folks limited to just 30
hours? Denying them the ability to earn enough to live on?

Who is limiting workers to 30 hours?
Democrats or employers trying to duck providing healthcare?

For an employer, adding a health insurance benefit is very costly. If an employer cannot afford that cost, are they really a rat bastard for trying to find ways out of having to eat it?

They may be faced with only two choices. Go out of business and everyone loses their jobs, or cut back the hours to avoid the cost they cannot afford.

Imagine if we had universal healthcare? No employer would be stuck with the burden of their employees health

But that would be........SOCIALISM

Yep. Which is why it is called socialized medicine.

And the fact is that taxpayers would be stuck with the burden. Health care does not magically become free just because someone else is paying your bill.

It's cheaper then what we have now

I say we set the mandate to 80hrs anyone who works 80hrs a week deserves employer funded health care!

 

[RKMBrown]

Nvm... let's make it 169hrs.