Republicans fail to make any rational argument why society must force full term gestation on all women. Their failed arguments are examined here:

[Dragonlady]

You’re completely right, a woman deserves her right to privacy, and if she wants and abortion, she should be able to get one. But, we do have a constitution, and we can’t just ignore it when we want something. Dobbs had nothing to do with restricting abortions, it was putting the power correctly, in the hands of the states.

Also, if you look at the numbers, abortions have actually increased or held steady since dobbs..so I’m not sure what you are going on about here…

every state has an exception for the life of the mother and most states have an exception for rape and incest.

The federal government just doesn’t have jurisdiction here.

The exceptions for the life of the mother are vague and poorly written leaving hospitals erring on the side of caution and refusing all care. Some hospitals in red states have closed their maternity wards completely rather than risk law suits, and this is affecting ALL pregnant women, forcing them to drive great distances for care.

When things go horribly wrong in a pregnancy, women don't have time to travel to another state and find a hospital or clinic to help them. One of the women in the Texas law suit had an ectopic pregnancy. You have 10 minutes from the time your time your tube bursts, to get treatment, or you bleed out.

The woman with the ectopic pregnancy was admitted to hospital to wait for her tube to burst. But when the tube burst, the tiny heart kept beating and so long as the heart was beating, they couldn't start the surgery. I saw a Texas lawmaker interviewed saying that's not what the law intended at all. Doesn't matter if that isn't what they intended, that's the result.

A Texas Court overturn the "heartbeat" portion of the bill and added an exception where it's determined that the fetus isn't viable and the life of the mother is on the line, Doctors can perform the abortion and the Texas AG appealled that decision.

 

[Dragonlady]

It's a states right issue ding bat

IT'S A WOMEN'S RIGHTS ISSUE. THE STATES HAVE NO RIGHTS AT ALL IN THIS.

 

[Nostra]

The exceptions for the life of the mother are vague and poorly written leaving hospitals erring on the side of caution and refusing all care. Some hospitals in red states have closed their maternity wards completely rather than risk law suits, and this is affecting ALL pregnant women, forcing them to drive great distances for care.

When things go horribly wrong in a pregnancy, women don't have time to travel to another state and find a hospital or clinic to help them. One of the women in the Texas law suit had an ectopic pregnancy. You have 10 minutes from the time your time your tube bursts, to get treatment, or you bleed out.

The woman with the ectopic pregnancy was admitted to hospital to wait for her tube to burst. But when the tube burst, the tiny heart kept beating and so long as the heart was beating, they couldn't start the surgery. I saw a Texas lawmaker interviewed saying that's not what the law intended at all. Doesn't matter if that isn't what they intended, that's the result.

A Texas Court overturn the "heartbeat" portion of the bill and added an exception where it's determined that the fetus isn't viable and the life of the mother is on the line, Doctors can perform the abortion and the Texas AG appealled that decision.

Link us up to this list of hospitals who closed their maternity wards, and their reasons given.

Watch Dragonlady squirm.

Oh, and the vast majority of your shithole country has no abortion clinics. They are concentrated in the big cities and along the US border, so feel free to STFU, KKKanadian bermin.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

IT'S A WOMEN'S RIGHTS ISSUE. THE STATES HAVE NO RIGHTS AT ALL IN THIS.

Its not a federal right. It's not a constitutionally protected right.

 

[jasonnfree]

It never stops. Republicans trying to convince that they're decent human beings. They obsess over the fetus. Once that child is born, they're on their own. School shootings where several children die...so what say the right wing shit scum.

 

[Nostra]

IT'S A WOMEN'S RIGHTS ISSUE. THE STATES HAVE NO RIGHTS AT ALL IN THIS.

Once again you demonstrate you have no clue how America works, KKKanadian vermin.

 

[Nostra]

The exceptions for the life of the mother are vague and poorly written leaving hospitals erring on the side of caution and refusing all care. Some hospitals in red states have closed their maternity wards completely rather than risk law suits, and this is affecting ALL pregnant women, forcing them to drive great distances for care.

When things go horribly wrong in a pregnancy, women don't have time to travel to another state and find a hospital or clinic to help them. One of the women in the Texas law suit had an ectopic pregnancy. You have 10 minutes from the time your time your tube bursts, to get treatment, or you bleed out.

The woman with the ectopic pregnancy was admitted to hospital to wait for her tube to burst. But when the tube burst, the tiny heart kept beating and so long as the heart was beating, they couldn't start the surgery. I saw a Texas lawmaker interviewed saying that's not what the law intended at all. Doesn't matter if that isn't what they intended, that's the result.

A Texas Court overturn the "heartbeat" portion of the bill and added an exception where it's determined that the fetus isn't viable and the life of the mother is on the line, Doctors can perform the abortion and the Texas AG appealled that decision.

KKKanada only has about 150 abortion clinics, with most concentrated in cities along the US border, vermin.

Your abortion laws punish the poor and minorities, Simp.




However, Canada is not the safe haven for abortion it may seem. The organization of Canada’s health-care system, the dearth of abortion providers across the country and the prevalence of anti-choice organizations combine to make access difficult if not impossible in some cases. The onus is on patients to find the care they need. With abortion being one of the most common medical procedures in Canada, this is entirely unacceptable.

Those who live in rural areas, especially those living on reserves, have almost no access. Abortion clinics in Canada are concentrated along the U.S. border and only one-in-six hospitals provides abortion care.

As a result, people in rural communities do not have access to nearby care and are forced to travel to receive what they need. This is especially true for provinces such as Alberta, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Ontario, where 35 to 40 per cent of individuals live in remote communities or in rural areas.

A Canadian study from 2013 found that 18.1 per cent of women travelled more than 100 kilometres to access abortion, with Indigenous women being three times more likely than white women to have travelled this distance. This puts those without the financial and logistical means to travel at a disadvantage and further exacerbates issues of inequitable access.

Abortion in Canada is legal for all, but inaccessible for too many

 

[Dragonlady]

KKKanada only has about 150 abortion clinics, with most concentrated in cities along the US border, vermin.

Your abortion laws punish the poor and minorities, Simp.




However, Canada is not the safe haven for abortion it may seem. The organization of Canada’s health-care system, the dearth of abortion providers across the country and the prevalence of anti-choice organizations combine to make access difficult if not impossible in some cases. The onus is on patients to find the care they need. With abortion being one of the most common medical procedures in Canada, this is entirely unacceptable.

Those who live in rural areas, especially those living on reserves, have almost no access. Abortion clinics in Canada are concentrated along the U.S. border and only one-in-six hospitals provides abortion care.

As a result, people in rural communities do not have access to nearby care and are forced to travel to receive what they need. This is especially true for provinces such as Alberta, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Ontario, where 35 to 40 per cent of individuals live in remote communities or in rural areas.

A Canadian study from 2013 found that 18.1 per cent of women travelled more than 100 kilometres to access abortion, with Indigenous women being three times more likely than white women to have travelled this distance. This puts those without the financial and logistical means to travel at a disadvantage and further exacerbates issues of inequitable access.

Abortion in Canada is legal for all, but inaccessible for too many

Your abortion laws punish the poor and minorities, Simp

Since we don't have abortion laws, how are these laws punishing anyone, FuckBoi? Lack of access to medical care isn't a "punishment". It's a problem for people in remote areas and on reservations - regardless of race, and it doesn't just apply to abortion. .

In Canada, abortions are available in public hospitals and through your family doctor. We don't have "freestanding abortion clinics", except in large cities because there is little demand for them. There are 77 abortion clinics in Canada but over 100 hospitas offering abortion services:

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The same women who have no access to abortion, also have no access to medical services period, and it's a long standing problem. Canadian tax dollars go to our universities to train doctors and nurses, and then US Hospitals and medical centres come to Canada, and talk them into moving to the USA.

There are shortages of PCP's all across the country, and rural northern regions have the same level accesssibility as the people of Alaska do.

 

[Nostra]

You're quoting a study from 10 years ago for starters.

In Canada, abortions are available in public hospitals and through your family doctor. We don't have "freestanding abortion clinics", except in large cities because there is little demand for them.

The same women who have no access to abortion, also have no access to medical services period.

The study on travel was from 2013, all the other stats are from 2022. You think travel time changed?

But you are too stupid to actually click on a link and read it, you blithering moron.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Not true. Republican women have just as many abortions as Democrats. 13% of abortions, that's just over 100,000 abortions per year, are obtained by Evangelical Christian women.

Abortion is health care, and Republican women have complications in their pregancies just as frequently as Democrats. But the difference is that more women die of these complications in red states which have banned abortion after 6 weeks, than in any other states in the USA.

Yeah, you Marxists always say that, and then you watch the march for life and not one Demofascists pink pussy hat wearing slut shows up to defend unborn and born babies. But you can sure bet that the Conservative, not Republican, women do not abort their children, because life to them is precious, and not to be used as parts for science. Do you like ripping babies apart for science? A friend wants to know..

 

[kyzr]

Then why are Republican NaziCons in Congress trying to get a FEDERAL ban on abortions? That's what MAGA Mike wants.

Liar. An abortion ban is what democrats would rather talk about than Biden's new poll numbers.

Biden is falling fast. Its desperation time. Paging Michelle Obama. Paging Hillary Clinton. LOL!!!

 

[kyzr]

Other states have said that abortion is only legal in very limited circumstances. Anyone who does not like that should leave that state. If that state happens to be texas, the faster they go the better.

What they don't need to do is live in Texas to enjoy the benefits of this great state and then expect to travel to a state where they can kill their unborn baby and have me pay for it through my insurance premiums.

Meh. Fewer democrats is better in the long run. Look at the prices going up for shop lifting, flash mobs, car jackings, gang activity, and the prison population, etc.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Some hospitals in red states have closed their maternity wards completely rather than risk law suits, and this is affecting ALL pregnant women, forcing them to drive great distances for care.

Link?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Link?

To have an abortion, yeah, they can drive all the way to a Democrat Run state and get their abortions there. If they go out and screw, and then are screwed for doing something they never should of done in the first place.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Nostra said: Life begins at conception. But you science deniers are too stupid to know that. nvstrv.23.11.21 #40


I agree that life begins at conception. You are an absolute failure at presenting an argument for why a state government should force full term gestation on all women. Just like I said in the OP.

nf.23.11.21 #55

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Nostra said: Life begins at conception. But you science deniers are too stupid to know that. nvstrv.23.11.21 #40


I agree that life begins at conception. You are an absolute failure at presenting an argument for why a state government should force full term gestation on all women. Just like I said in the OP.

nf.23.11.21 #55

State government getting them pregnant?

Good old Slick Willie chasing state employees again?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Nostra said: Life begins at conception. But you science deniers are too stupid to know that. nvstrv.23.11.21 #40


I agree that life begins at conception. You are an absolute failure at presenting an argument for why a state government should force full term gestation on all women. Just like I said in the OP.

nf.23.11.21

What are the three main principles of the Constitution?

1. The right to liberty.
2 The right of pursuit of happiness.
3. The right to life.


So when you say the government should not get involved with a woman who wants to murder her unborn baby, why should the government get involved once the child turns 10 and the mother wants to murder it? At what point does LIFE matter?

 

[Seymour Flops]

The Texas ban is over. The women have taken it to court and gotten it overturned.

Texas AG appeals judgeâs order that allows women with complicated pregnancies to get abortions

State District Court Judge Jessica Mangrum on Friday issued a temporary exemption to Texas’ abortion ban. Hours later, the attorney general’s office filed an appeal, which blocked the order.

www.texastribune.org

"A Texas judge on Friday issued a temporary exemption to the state’s abortion ban that would allow women with complicated pregnancies to obtain the procedure and keep doctors free from prosecution if they determined the fetus would not survive after birth.

If I were king, I'd allow abortions to save the life of the mother or to save her from a serious and lasting injury like paralysis or blindness. I don't know if a pregnancy can cause those things, but I'm sure there are some serious non-fatal harm carrying a pregnancy to term could do. If an impartial panel of doctors said the pregnancy presents a danger to the woman, I think it would be wrong to forbid an abortion.*

A judge is different from a king, though.

I really don't see the point of saying that if a doctors says it would not survive after birth, just kill it now. Especially since the doctor who stands to profit is the one that the judge want to allow to make the decision.

But hours later, the attorney general’s office filed an appeal with the Texas Supreme Court, blocking the judge’s order from taking effect."

Texas is done. This law can't stand.

How can you say that given the sentence in bold? With Roe v. Wade gone the way of Dred Scott v. Sanford, what prevents states from regulating abortion?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Toddsterpatriot said: You're claiming that killing an innocent 2-month-old baby does harm society? tddstrptrt.23.09.27 #6

Yes. If murder of a living breathing human being of any age was not investigated, and the murderer of a two year old child was not charged, tried and convicted, then yes society will be harmed. If there is no deterrent against humans killing living breathing human we have chaos. Chaos is harm. • ¥ • Gestation that ends in miscarriage does not create any chaos in society. There is no harm. nf.23,09.37 #7


Murder of a 2 month old has to be a public matter because a 2 month old is not inside another human’s body when it dies. nf.23.11,21 #59

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Toddsterpatriot said: You're claiming that killing an innocent 2-month-old baby does harm society? tddstrptrt.23.09.27 #6

Yes. If murder of a living breathing human being of any age was not investigated, and the murderer of a two year old child was not charged, tried and convicted, then yes society will be harmed. If there is no deterrent against humans killing living breathing human we have chaos. Chaos is harm. • ¥ • Gestation that ends in miscarriage does not create any chaos in society. There is no harm. nf.23,09.37 #7


Murder of a 2 month old has to be a public matter because a 2 month old is not inside another human’s body when it dies. nf.23.11,21 #59

Two months after birth, murder, two months before birth, no big deal?