Republicans deserve what they get

[JoeB131]

You continually prove everything you say about your job is a lie. What you are saying isn't how it works. I've spent my career in management/management consulting and entrepreneurship and I've owned five businesses.

Yeah, whatever... the last one you described you thought you were hot shit if you made $80K a month. I cut that much in purchase orders every day...

That you think we promote and give raises to low performers based on "connections" shows clearly that you have no grasp of what a low performer you are.

Yeah, actually, I do.

Here's a great example. We had this nice lady in our department from Jamaica. Then the boss decided he wanted to bring one of his drinking buddies on board to be a scheduler. Guy had no college, no experience, no APICS training, and used to work in the warehouse before he quit. But he was a drinking buddy of the boss and the boss had moved in with him after his wife threw him out.

Well, guess who they had to fire? Yup, the Jamaican lady because they had to reduce headcount by one.

This was the same joker who didn't attend going away lunches for long term employees who weren't white, but man, he totally took out the time for a pretty young intern who worked for us for three months.

And he wasn't even the worst one I worked for. He was actually one of the better ones, in a "leper with the most fingers' kind of way.

That you think we promote and give raises to low performers based on "connections" shows clearly that you have no grasp of what a low performer you are. You are lazy and have a bad attitude and you justify every time another person moves past you it's just connections. Having a good attitude at work is completely different than sucking up to your boss.

I saved my previous company half a million dollars in cost savings over a two year period. The one before that, 3/4 of a million. Excellent performance reviews... and they still managed to screw me. Don't want to hear it, I really don't.

And here's the fundamental difference. Socialist systems pay no price for operating on connections over performance. Their customers are held captive with government guns.

Neither does capitalism. Here's the thing... since you've never really worked for anything bigger than the little five person dunghills you've run. The bigger an organization gets, the more it acts like a government.

The best job I ever had was a government job.

The market fixes companies who don't behave.

No, it doesn't. Fixing it would mean that the bad actors would be out of business.

Ford is still in business after selling deathtrap Pintos...

The Market is not a magic fairy. The market bought us rivers on fire in Ray's home town because nobody cared about "those people" until someone did.

 

[kaz]

You continually prove everything you say about your job is a lie. What you are saying isn't how it works. I've spent my career in management/management consulting and entrepreneurship and I've owned five businesses.

Yeah, whatever... the last one you described you thought you were hot shit if you made $80K a month. I cut that much in purchase orders every day...

You're a liar, I've never given you any numbers on how much money I earned. Maybe you're thinking of your own quote in the discussion above:

I've cleared 80K a year for the last two years... so you'd be wrong again

Funny how that 80K number is sticking in your brain. And you cut $80K in PURCHASE ORDERS every day? You think that makes you a big shit that you work in a purchasing department and cut POs? Wow. You're a sad little man.

I'm the one who approves them and the money comes out of my budget. It's not your money, it's mine. You're just a paper pusher

The market fixes companies who don't behave.

No, it doesn't. Fixing it would mean that the bad actors would be out of business.

Ford is still in business after selling deathtrap Pintos...

The Market is not a magic fairy. The market bought us rivers on fire in Ray's home town because nobody cared about "those people" until someone did.

Ford being saved by money confiscated with government guns was an example of socialism, boy chick. Not capitalism. I'd have let them go under.

Yes, fixing it means bad actors go out of business. In capitalism, that's what would have happened. In socialism, it didn't

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Funny how that 80K number is sticking in your brain. And you cut $80K in PURCHASE ORDERS every day? You think that makes you a big shit that you work in a purchasing department and cut POs? Wow. You're a sad little man

And if you're working for a company that cuts 80k a day in purchase orders, is it any wonder why they can't pay their employees well?

 

[kaz]

Funny how that 80K number is sticking in your brain. And you cut $80K in PURCHASE ORDERS every day? You think that makes you a big shit that you work in a purchasing department and cut POs? Wow. You're a sad little man

And if you're working for a company that cuts 80k a day in purchase orders, is it any wonder why they can't pay their employees well?

For real. That's about $20 million a year for one purchasing guy. No way they're paying a purchasing guy $80K a year to do that. $80K would be a senior guy in a purchasing department. They are infrastructure, pay is really low unless you're pretty senior.

It's what happens when Joe makes up lies and runs into people who actually know what he's talking about when he doesn't

 

[JoeB131]

You're a liar, I've never given you any numbers on how much money I earned. Maybe you're thinking of your own quote in the discussion above:

Nope, actually, I'm not. You made that claim a couple of years ago. Then after i humiliated you dozens of times, you put me on ignore for a while.

I'm the one who approves them and the money comes out of my budget. You're just a paper pusher. It's not your money you spend, it's mine

Except I wouldn't have given a rinky-dink operation the time of day... yours probably considers purchasing as something you combine with customer service and accounting...

Ford being saved by money confiscated with government guns was an example of socialism, boy chick. Not capitalism. I'd have let them go under.

Actually, Ford was the one that didn't take a bailout. But you miss my point.

Back in the 1970's, they decided to NOT recall million of Pintos for a fire hazard fault because paying out the people who died in accidents was cheaper than doing an $11.00 repair on millions of units.

That kind of COMPLETELY FUCKING EVIL thinking is what capitalism gets you.

And the Market didn't put Ford out of business for it.

 

[JoeB131]

And if you're working for a company that cuts 80k a day in purchase orders, is it any wonder why they can't pay their employees well?

NO, it means we were buying lots and lots of stuff... truckloads of stuff.

A truckload of corrugated (which is what I used to buy) costs about $10,000 a truckload. And I ordered dozens of truckloads a day, all over the country.

But then again, I worked for a company that could afford to pay health coverage for it's employees... So I know that such numbers would blow your mind.

For real. That's about $20 million a year for one purchasing guy. No way they're paying a purchasing guy $80K a year to do that. $80K would be a senior guy in a purchasing department. They are infrastructure, pay isn't high unless you're really senior

Um, yeah. I was a senior buyer. over 25 years of experience after the military procurement experience.

I think my annual purchases were about $6MM a year, though... so probably the $80K was a busy day.

Again, that was before I decided to chuck it all and run my side business, which I enjoy a lot more.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Funny how that 80K number is sticking in your brain. And you cut $80K in PURCHASE ORDERS every day? You think that makes you a big shit that you work in a purchasing department and cut POs? Wow. You're a sad little man

And if you're working for a company that cuts 80k a day in purchase orders, is it any wonder why they can't pay their employees well?

For real. That's about $20 million a year for one purchasing guy. No way they're paying a purchasing guy $80K a year to do that. $80K would be a senior guy in a purchasing department. They are infrastructure, pay is really low unless you're pretty senior.

It's what happens when Joe makes up lies and runs into people who actually know what he's talking about when he doesn't

He thinks he's the only one who ever issued purchase orders. I did the same thing when I filled in for our shipper and receiver on vacation. Boring ass job.

You are told what to order and from whom, make out the purchase order, and have the manager sign them at the end of the day. In the meantime you call the order in and give them the number of the order. it's not that big of a deal.

 

[kaz]

You're a liar, I've never given you any numbers on how much money I earned. Maybe you're thinking of your own quote in the discussion above:

Nope, actually, I'm not. You made that claim a couple of years ago. Then after i humiliated you dozens of times, you put me on ignore for a while

You're a liar, I've never posted my pay information on any message board ever.

And I put you on ignore because I got tired of you using the term "brown people" in every post. Now I just tell you that you're stupid when you do that

Ford being saved by money confiscated with government guns was an example of socialism, boy chick. Not capitalism. I'd have let them go under.

Actually, Ford was the one that didn't take a bailout. But you miss my point.

Back in the 1970's, they decided to NOT recall million of Pintos for a fire hazard fault because paying out the people who died in accidents was cheaper than doing an $11.00 repair on millions of units.

That kind of COMPLETELY FUCKING EVIL thinking is what capitalism gets you.

And the Market didn't put Ford out of business for it.

Ford did get $6B in loans in 2009 whatever you want to call it and they got a credit line in the bailout which is clearly a safety net a capitalist system shouldn't provide whether or not they used it.

But OK, the Pinto is a different discussion then. That's a liability issue. In a capitalist system, you are responsible for negligence. You didn't provide much detail on what Ford knew ex-ante, you made an ex-post argument which doesn't really establish anything other than you hate Ford

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

NO, it means we were buying lots and lots of stuff... truckloads of stuff.

A truckload of corrugated (which is what I used to buy) costs about $10,000 a truckload. And I ordered dozens of truckloads a day, all over the country.

But then again, I worked for a company that could afford to pay health coverage for it's employees... So I know that such numbers would blow your mind.

My mind is fine. It's yours that's in question.

 

[kaz]

Funny how that 80K number is sticking in your brain. And you cut $80K in PURCHASE ORDERS every day? You think that makes you a big shit that you work in a purchasing department and cut POs? Wow. You're a sad little man

And if you're working for a company that cuts 80k a day in purchase orders, is it any wonder why they can't pay their employees well?

For real. That's about $20 million a year for one purchasing guy. No way they're paying a purchasing guy $80K a year to do that. $80K would be a senior guy in a purchasing department. They are infrastructure, pay is really low unless you're pretty senior.

It's what happens when Joe makes up lies and runs into people who actually know what he's talking about when he doesn't

He thinks he's the only one who ever issued purchase orders. I did the same thing when I filled in for our shipper and receiver on vacation. Boring ass job.

You are told what to order and from whom, make out the purchase order, and have the manager sign them at the end of the day. In the meantime you call the order in and give them the number of the order. it's not that big of a deal.

Yep, we told the exact same story in a different way. As management, it was my decision, my approval, my budget. Joe's a paper pusher.

I'd kill myself before I worked in purchasing. It's a job a monkey can do, that's why the pay is so low. $80K isn't a lot of pay on the business side. But few purchasers make that. You obviously know why. I hated working with purchasing people. Too many of them freely offer their low level uninformed views as if I cared. Of course there are good ones too who come, get a signature and leave

 

[kaz]

And if you're working for a company that cuts 80k a day in purchase orders, is it any wonder why they can't pay their employees well?

NO, it means we were buying lots and lots of stuff... truckloads of stuff.

A truckload of corrugated (which is what I used to buy) costs about $10,000 a truckload. And I ordered dozens of truckloads a day, all over the country

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I think my annual purchases were about $6MM a year, though... so probably the $80K was a busy day

You're making up numbers for a math and finance guy. LOL.

Joe: "A truckload of corrugated (which is what I used to buy) costs about $10,000 a truckload. And I ordered dozens of truckloads a day"

- That would be a minimum of $60 million a year

Joe: "I think my annual purchases were about $6MM a year"

So your daily calculations are ten times what you said you do annually.

No way a guy who did that for a living would be off by a factor of ten in your daily and annual purchases.

BTW, if you actually did $60+ million a year I'd believe you made $80K. But no way a real purchasing guy would not know what your annual and daily purchases were

 

[JoeB131]

He thinks he's the only one who ever issued purchase orders. I did the same thing when I filled in for our shipper and receiver on vacation. Boring ass job.

That's because you are too dumb to realize that it isn't just about the purchase orders.

It's about a whole host of other things. Negotiation, quoting, quality control, vendor development.
Now, if it was a job you could do, then you'd probably do it and maybe get health benefits little timmy.

I'd kill myself before I worked in purchasing.

Of course you would. You'd probably suck at it because you have awful people skills. But keep crowing on about your dungheap that sells 80K a month of whatever.

I hated working with purchasing people. Too many of them freely offer their low level uninformed views as if I cared.

Yeah, clearly someone who knows the commodity and the markets, you don't want to listen to them.

I found the good managers are the ones I didn't have to go to for an opinion. They knew you knew your job and let you get one with it. The bad ones were the ones who micromanaged and couldn't do your job on a bet.

 

[JoeB131]

I think my annual purchases were about $6MM a year"

No way a guy who did that for a living would be off by a factor of ten in your daily and annual purchases

Didn't say that I did that much every day.... did I?

Some days were heavy, some days I did other things like reports, RFQ's, follow up, RMA's, working with design to source things, and so on.

But again, this is the kind of complexity that someone who thinks ordering from U-Line is the bomb wouldn't get.

 

[kaz]

He thinks he's the only one who ever issued purchase orders. I did the same thing when I filled in for our shipper and receiver on vacation. Boring ass job.

That's because you are too dumb to realize that it isn't just about the purchase orders

Now you're lying again. Actually, price negotiation and issuing POs are different jobs unless you're in a tiny business. You're awful at making up what you do.

If you did what you said and issue POs for dozens of truckloads a day, you aren't negotiating shit. You're pushing paper.

And you think PURCHASING department people are the ones who have people skills, not the business people you work for? That's classic

 

[kaz]

I think my annual purchases were about $6MM a year"

No way a guy who did that for a living would be off by a factor of ten in your daily and annual purchases

Didn't say that I did that much every day.... did I?

Some days were heavy, some days I did other things like reports, RFQ's, follow up, RMA's, working with design to source things, and so on.

But again, this is the kind of complexity that someone who thinks ordering from U-Line is the bomb wouldn't get.

You said you do "dozens" of $10K orders a day. That would be ten times the $6 MM you said you do annually if it's only two dozen. And I'm only counting the 5 working days a week.

A real purchasing guy would have known how to use a spreadsheet to check the numbers you're making up for consistency

 

[JoeB131]

Ford did get $6B in loans in 2009 whatever you want to call it and they got a credit line in the bailout which is clearly a safety net a capitalist system shouldn't provide whether or not they used it.

Um, yeah, guy, the fact Capitalism has to be saved from itself shows it DOESN'T WORK.

We have a system of capitalizing profit and socializing risk.

If we capitalized risks, then a lot of these places would go out of business, and eventually, you would get socialism because the rest of us would be tired of being dragged along for the ride.

But OK, the Pinto is a different discussion then. That's a liability issue. In a capitalist system, you are responsible for negligence. You didn't provide much detail on what Ford knew ex-ante, you made an ex-post argument which doesn't really establish anything other than you hate Ford

I like Ford. I own a Ford. I wasn't even picking on Ford in particular, just using the PINTO as an example of the kind of fucked up thinking you get in Capitalism.

The thing was, some truly evil fuck sat down in a room, called himself a "numbers guy", and calculated how many payouts there would be from accidents vs. how much it would cost to recall millions of Pintos and do an $11.00 repair. And they decided it was cheaper to pay out the accident victims.

THIS IS THE KIND OF THINKING YOU HAVE WHEN YOU ARE A CAPITALIST!!!

Decent people don't think like this.

 

[JoeB131]

You said you do "dozens" of $10K orders a day. That would be ten times the $6 MM you said you do annually if it's only two dozen. And I'm only counting the 5 working days a week.

Again, I do other things you wouldn't understand... but never mind. Point is, operating on a much higher level than you do at Dungheep limited where your 5 employees can't get away from you fast enough.

 

[JoeB131]

A real purchasing guy would have known how to use a spreadsheet to check the numbers you're making up for consistency

I don't keep spreadsheets from jobs I did three years ago.

 

[kaz]

Ford did get $6B in loans in 2009 whatever you want to call it and they got a credit line in the bailout which is clearly a safety net a capitalist system shouldn't provide whether or not they used it.

Um, yeah, guy, the fact Capitalism has to be saved from itself shows it DOESN'T WORK.

We have a system of capitalizing profit and socializing risk.

If we capitalized risks, then a lot of these places would go out of business, and eventually, you would get socialism because the rest of us would be tired of being dragged along for the ride.

But OK, the Pinto is a different discussion then. That's a liability issue. In a capitalist system, you are responsible for negligence. You didn't provide much detail on what Ford knew ex-ante, you made an ex-post argument which doesn't really establish anything other than you hate Ford

I like Ford. I own a Ford. I wasn't even picking on Ford in particular, just using the PINTO as an example of the kind of fucked up thinking you get in Capitalism.

The thing was, some truly evil fuck sat down in a room, called himself a "numbers guy", and calculated how many payouts there would be from accidents vs. how much it would cost to recall millions of Pintos and do an $11.00 repair. And they decided it was cheaper to pay out the accident victims.

THIS IS THE KIND OF THINKING YOU HAVE WHEN YOU ARE A CAPITALIST!!!

Decent people don't think like this.

Just Joe's typical Marxist rhetoric. And your beloved communists have killed hundreds of millions and you're silent on that

 

[kaz]

You said you do "dozens" of $10K orders a day. That would be ten times the $6 MM you said you do annually if it's only two dozen. And I'm only counting the 5 working days a week.

Again, I do other things you wouldn't understand... but never mind. Point is, operating on a much higher level than you do at Dungheep limited where your 5 employees can't get away from you fast enough.

That's the number of POs you said you do a day. It's math, guy. Whether you do other things or not doesn't change you said you do dozens of $10K POs a day. That alone is ten times minimum what you claim you do a year