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[kaz]

That's because your companies are small and don't pay health insurance.

Sorry, man, we brought in whole truckloads from major integrated box makers. By the time it gets to your bottom-feeder company, it's probably been brokered through a couple of distributors.

That doesn't matter. I think you have no idea how many boxes 12 trailer loads are. Nobody (I don't care how big the company) goes through that much. Do you even realize how large of a staging area one would need just to accept that freight?

Some of our customers have anywhere between 15 and 60 docks at their facility. International companies that produce products for the US and all over the world.

Um, I could name several, but I'd probably be breaking confidentiality agreements.

But- Amazon would be a good example. (We didn't have that account, but we wanted it) Any e-commerce operation. Most big box retailers. Some manufacturing companies...

One company I dealt with a decade ago was Solo Cup. Managed four locations buying about 12MM a year in just corrugated. We had to have warehouses dedicated specifically to their business. My job was to source, schedule, inventory and plan their usage based on their MRP, and react quickly if they changed their MRP for whatever reason.

Any company using that amount would be stupid not to invest in their own box making machinery. Do you know what it costs just in freight to deliver those kinds of loads yet alone warehouse them? It would cost more than the freight itself. We don't work for free you know.

This question is to you, Ray. Do you know what he's talking about when he said he bought "dozens of truckloads all around the country a day?" Is he saying they buy massive boxes from big companies and break them up into shipments for small companies? I'm not asking about the truthfulness for this question. I'm just trying to figure out what he says he does.

If that's the case, wouldn't they need distribution centers around the country to unload, repackage and reload the boxes into smaller shipments? That doesn't seem right to do as a business model to me. I'd not just be ordering mass boxes, I'd order them as I got orders and have the box company put the boxes.

And if he's just ordering boxes, it seems like the price negotiation would mostly be done once to establish pricing from various box vendors unless there's a special order. Then it would be more getting a custom quote from at least two vendors.

Negotia

That's because you are too dumb to realize that it isn't just about the purchase orders.

It's about a whole host of other things. Negotiation, quoting, quality control, vendor development.
Now, if it was a job you could do, then you'd probably do it and maybe get health benefits little timmy.

So now you're going to bring that up with each and every reply to me? And you don't think your problem is getting much worse????

It's hilarious how he is describing a purchasing job in a tiny company, not a big company. If he did all those things in a big company, he was a senior manager and he sure the hell wasn't issuing dozens of POs a day as he claims

Joe does like to stretch the truth forgetting who he's talking with half the time.

He said he orders over a dozen trailers of corrugation every day. I'm assuming he means boxes. Several of our customers are companies that make the stuff, and I don't recall any of them delivering more than one trailer load to any customer large or small. I've never delivered to a place that's even large enough to receive that amount of material in one day. I would be willing to bet that any Amazon outlet doesn't go through a dozen trailer loads of corrugation every day.

The standard van trailer today is 53'. Do you know how many pallets you can fit on that trailer---especially double stacking the freight because of it's unlikelihood of getting damaged?

24 pallets double stacked is 48 pallets per load. 12 trailer loads would be 576 pallets of boxes every single day. What company in the US goes through that amount every day?

That's funny. Between us, we have both bookmark ends of his lies. I'd have had no idea about what you just told me

Joe has a lot of those. A few months ago he told me he quit his job to work on his own. He supposedly wrote resumes and did very well financially.

Now in this discussion he talks about his job. Hmmm, what doesn't add up here????

Yeah, he cuts me down all the time, but I don't care, at least I'm honest about who I am and what I do. He's trying to tell me that he makes a living doing something anybody could mimic and learn off the internet. If there is any truth to what he says, he's the only professional resume writer I've ever met.

Writing resumes? He doesn't make half $80K doing that. He probably got fired again.

Like I said before, I've only fired one person with a good attitude my entire career. And I've fired a lot of people. A good attitude about your job, your boss and your company will virtually guarantee success. You obviously have a good attitude about what you do.

The one person I fired who had a good attitude. simply would not stop and check her work before she passed it on. She was in customer service and kept writing up orders wrong. You can imagine how expensive that became. It got to the point I had to have a graphic designer call the customer for every order to ensure it was written up right. So why have her there at all? But counselling over and over and she couldn't do it.

Joe has such an obvious bad attitude about life. His bosses LOVE firing him. And his co-workers are happy to see him go. People like that just suck the life out of you. He claims no one at work knows he has a bad attitude. It's so consistent and pervasive that's not possible

 

[JoeB131]

Sure, my businesses were small businesses. But I did build multiple companies on my own with dozens of jobs and millions in revenue. That's more than you've ever done or will do. And I'll be getting a nice monthly check from that for years to come.

Yes, I'm sure you are happy on your little dung heep... but I'm not impressed.

That doesn't matter. I think you have no idea how many boxes 12 trailer loads are. Nobody (I don't care how big the company) goes through that much. Do you even realize how large of a staging area one would need just to accept that freight?

Depends on the size of the box, the board grade, and so on. And, um yeah, the company I used to work for took in that many trucks a day... (I wasn't the only buyer there, nor did we have one location.)

Joe has a lot of those. A few months ago he told me he quit his job to work on his own. He supposedly wrote resumes and did very well financially.

Now in this discussion he talks about his job. Hmmm, what doesn't add up here????

Your inability to understand VERB TENSES? I specifically talk about the purchasing in the PAST TENSE. Like, "I'm not doing that now".

Yeah, he cuts me down all the time, but I don't care, at least I'm honest about who I am and what I do. He's trying to tell me that he makes a living doing something anybody could mimic and learn off the internet. If there is any truth to what he says, he's the only professional resume writer I've ever met.

Actually, in my area, there are about 20 companies that do what mine does. That I've been able to identify. And that's not even getting into the downtown companies that charge hundreds of bucks.

And I get the guy who thought he was really smart and done learned it on the internet. After I'm done laughing, I explain to them what they did wrong and I do it the right way.

But I cut you down for a reason. Because you are the kind of dumb white person who has been played by the one percenters. I used to fall for that... but I don't anymore.

 

[JoeB131]

If that's the case, wouldn't they need distribution centers around the country to unload, repackage and reload the boxes into smaller shipments? That doesn't seem right to do as a business model to me. I'd not just be ordering mass boxes, I'd order them as I got orders and have the box company put the boxes.

And if he's just ordering boxes, it seems like the price negotiation would mostly be done once to establish pricing from various box vendors unless there's a special order. Then it would be more getting a custom quote from at least two vendors.

Um, yeah, at various times, I've worked for packaging distributors.

Now, if you understood the industry, you'd know that there the manufacturers- International Paper, Westrock, Georgia Pacific. they make them, they don't want to store them. The corrugated industry is dominated right now by five companies who have 90% of the market.

So between them and the end user customer, you have "Sheet plants", smaller companies that buy raw board and process it into orders, and distributors - who warehouse it for users who don't want to keep it on their inventory until they are ready to use it. And because they are trying to reduce expenses, they usually buy their tape, shrink wrap, pallets, etc. from the same distributors-- one stop shopping.

And if he's just ordering boxes, it seems like the price negotiation would mostly be done once to establish pricing from various box vendors unless there's a special order. Then it would be more getting a custom quote from at least two vendors.

Few companies buy "Stock boxes". They want boxes with their logos and usually custom fitted to their product. In fact, most boxes are engineered specifically for what goes in them. You have to take in account shape, board grade, void fill... and so on.

Joe has such an obvious bad attitude about life. His bosses LOVE firing him. And his co-workers are happy to see him go. People like that just suck the life out of you. He claims no one at work knows he has a bad attitude. It's so consistent and pervasive that's not possible

Again, three companies I previously worked for asked me back. So, um, no. you'd be wrong again.

 

[JoeB131]

I put him on ignore because listening to him lie in every post is mind-numbing and a waste of time. Even when I obliterate him with facts (as you have done here), he ignores them and carries on with the absurd left-wing propaganda.

Oh, Poodle, whatever shit you heard on Hate Radio isn't facts, buddy.

Again- pegged you a long time ago. About 25, read Ayn Rand in high school, thinks greed is a virtue.

 

[kaz]

Sure, my businesses were small businesses. But I did build multiple companies on my own with dozens of jobs and millions in revenue. That's more than you've ever done or will do. And I'll be getting a nice monthly check from that for years to come.

Yes, I'm sure you are happy on your little dung heep... but I'm not impressed.

That doesn't matter. I think you have no idea how many boxes 12 trailer loads are. Nobody (I don't care how big the company) goes through that much. Do you even realize how large of a staging area one would need just to accept that freight?

Depends on the size of the box, the board grade, and so on. And, um yeah, the company I used to work for took in that many trucks a day... (I wasn't the only buyer there, nor did we have one location.)

Joe has a lot of those. A few months ago he told me he quit his job to work on his own. He supposedly wrote resumes and did very well financially.

Now in this discussion he talks about his job. Hmmm, what doesn't add up here????

Your inability to understand VERB TENSES? I specifically talk about the purchasing in the PAST TENSE. Like, "I'm not doing that now".

Yeah, he cuts me down all the time, but I don't care, at least I'm honest about who I am and what I do. He's trying to tell me that he makes a living doing something anybody could mimic and learn off the internet. If there is any truth to what he says, he's the only professional resume writer I've ever met.

Actually, in my area, there are about 20 companies that do what mine does. That I've been able to identify. And that's not even getting into the downtown companies that charge hundreds of bucks.

And I get the guy who thought he was really smart and done learned it on the internet. After I'm done laughing, I explain to them what they did wrong and I do it the right way.

But I cut you down for a reason. Because you are the kind of dumb white person who has been played by the one percenters. I used to fall for that... but I don't anymore.

The box guru. You don't even know what price negotiation is for commodities. You may have had corporate agreements, but that's negotiated once and can run for years, not on a daily basis like you claim.

For something like boxes, you probably didn't have that though. The problem is that the price of the materials changes too much for a box company to want to give you long term fixed prices.

They probably sent you some sort of rate card every few months and/or you called 2 or 3 of them for a quote for a custom deal depending where the customer is. There's no real skill involved. My customer service people took care of getting vendor quotes for most of the deals. The managers only got involved in determining preferred vendors and they took over and did the more complicated quotes.

You made it sound like you source a variety of products and you engaged in complicated negotiations. You just bought boxes, which is just a list of the boxes times the quantity. The most complicated part was probably if the customer wanted one color or four color printing on the box.

It's a difficult business to sustain since your company provided no value add to the boxes

 

[Papageorgio]

That's because your companies are small and don't pay health insurance.

Sorry, man, we brought in whole truckloads from major integrated box makers. By the time it gets to your bottom-feeder company, it's probably been brokered through a couple of distributors.

That doesn't matter. I think you have no idea how many boxes 12 trailer loads are. Nobody (I don't care how big the company) goes through that much. Do you even realize how large of a staging area one would need just to accept that freight?

Some of our customers have anywhere between 15 and 60 docks at their facility. International companies that produce products for the US and all over the world.

Um, I could name several, but I'd probably be breaking confidentiality agreements.

But- Amazon would be a good example. (We didn't have that account, but we wanted it) Any e-commerce operation. Most big box retailers. Some manufacturing companies...

One company I dealt with a decade ago was Solo Cup. Managed four locations buying about 12MM a year in just corrugated. We had to have warehouses dedicated specifically to their business. My job was to source, schedule, inventory and plan their usage based on their MRP, and react quickly if they changed their MRP for whatever reason.

Any company using that amount would be stupid not to invest in their own box making machinery. Do you know what it costs just in freight to deliver those kinds of loads yet alone warehouse them? It would cost more than the freight itself. We don't work for free you know.

This question is to you, Ray. Do you know what he's talking about when he said he bought "dozens of truckloads all around the country a day?" Is he saying they buy massive boxes from big companies and break them up into shipments for small companies? I'm not asking about the truthfulness for this question. I'm just trying to figure out what he says he does.

If that's the case, wouldn't they need distribution centers around the country to unload, repackage and reload the boxes into smaller shipments? That doesn't seem right to do as a business model to me. I'd not just be ordering mass boxes, I'd order them as I got orders and have the box company put the boxes.

And if he's just ordering boxes, it seems like the price negotiation would mostly be done once to establish pricing from various box vendors unless there's a special order. Then it would be more getting a custom quote from at least two vendors.

Negotia

So now you're going to bring that up with each and every reply to me? And you don't think your problem is getting much worse????

It's hilarious how he is describing a purchasing job in a tiny company, not a big company. If he did all those things in a big company, he was a senior manager and he sure the hell wasn't issuing dozens of POs a day as he claims

Joe does like to stretch the truth forgetting who he's talking with half the time.

He said he orders over a dozen trailers of corrugation every day. I'm assuming he means boxes. Several of our customers are companies that make the stuff, and I don't recall any of them delivering more than one trailer load to any customer large or small. I've never delivered to a place that's even large enough to receive that amount of material in one day. I would be willing to bet that any Amazon outlet doesn't go through a dozen trailer loads of corrugation every day.

The standard van trailer today is 53'. Do you know how many pallets you can fit on that trailer---especially double stacking the freight because of it's unlikelihood of getting damaged?

24 pallets double stacked is 48 pallets per load. 12 trailer loads would be 576 pallets of boxes every single day. What company in the US goes through that amount every day?

That's funny. Between us, we have both bookmark ends of his lies. I'd have had no idea about what you just told me

Joe has a lot of those. A few months ago he told me he quit his job to work on his own. He supposedly wrote resumes and did very well financially.

Now in this discussion he talks about his job. Hmmm, what doesn't add up here????

Yeah, he cuts me down all the time, but I don't care, at least I'm honest about who I am and what I do. He's trying to tell me that he makes a living doing something anybody could mimic and learn off the internet. If there is any truth to what he says, he's the only professional resume writer I've ever met.

Writing resumes? He doesn't make half $80K doing that. He probably got fired again.

Like I said before, I've only fired one person with a good attitude my entire career. And I've fired a lot of people. A good attitude about your job, your boss and your company will virtually guarantee success. You obviously have a good attitude about what you do.

The one person I fired who had a good attitude. simply would not stop and check her work before she passed it on. She was in customer service and kept writing up orders wrong. You can imagine how expensive that became. It got to the point I had to have a graphic designer call the customer for every order to ensure it was written up right. So why have her there at all? But counselling over and over and she couldn't do it.

Joe has such an obvious bad attitude about life. His bosses LOVE firing him. And his co-workers are happy to see him go. People like that just suck the life out of you. He claims no one at work knows he has a bad attitude. It's so consistent and pervasive that's not possible

I am the same way, if the attitude is bad, I will give them a shot to change it, if they don’t change, I get rid of them and the co-workers are relieved to get rid of a negative influence.

I had an employee that wasn’t working out in their position and she had a great attitude, we worked with her and eventually moved her to a position where she could be successful. Attitude is an important aspect.

 

[kaz]

I put him on ignore because listening to him lie in every post is mind-numbing and a waste of time. Even when I obliterate him with facts (as you have done here), he ignores them and carries on with the absurd left-wing propaganda.

Oh, Poodle, whatever shit you heard on Hate Radio isn't facts, buddy.

Again- pegged you a long time ago. About 25, read Ayn Rand in high school, thinks greed is a virtue.

I always like how socialists who want other people's money aren't greedy, capitalists who just want to keep our own money are.

Sure, Karl

 

[kaz]

That's because your companies are small and don't pay health insurance.

Sorry, man, we brought in whole truckloads from major integrated box makers. By the time it gets to your bottom-feeder company, it's probably been brokered through a couple of distributors.

That doesn't matter. I think you have no idea how many boxes 12 trailer loads are. Nobody (I don't care how big the company) goes through that much. Do you even realize how large of a staging area one would need just to accept that freight?

Some of our customers have anywhere between 15 and 60 docks at their facility. International companies that produce products for the US and all over the world.

Um, I could name several, but I'd probably be breaking confidentiality agreements.

But- Amazon would be a good example. (We didn't have that account, but we wanted it) Any e-commerce operation. Most big box retailers. Some manufacturing companies...

One company I dealt with a decade ago was Solo Cup. Managed four locations buying about 12MM a year in just corrugated. We had to have warehouses dedicated specifically to their business. My job was to source, schedule, inventory and plan their usage based on their MRP, and react quickly if they changed their MRP for whatever reason.

Any company using that amount would be stupid not to invest in their own box making machinery. Do you know what it costs just in freight to deliver those kinds of loads yet alone warehouse them? It would cost more than the freight itself. We don't work for free you know.

This question is to you, Ray. Do you know what he's talking about when he said he bought "dozens of truckloads all around the country a day?" Is he saying they buy massive boxes from big companies and break them up into shipments for small companies? I'm not asking about the truthfulness for this question. I'm just trying to figure out what he says he does.

If that's the case, wouldn't they need distribution centers around the country to unload, repackage and reload the boxes into smaller shipments? That doesn't seem right to do as a business model to me. I'd not just be ordering mass boxes, I'd order them as I got orders and have the box company put the boxes.

And if he's just ordering boxes, it seems like the price negotiation would mostly be done once to establish pricing from various box vendors unless there's a special order. Then it would be more getting a custom quote from at least two vendors.

Negotia

It's hilarious how he is describing a purchasing job in a tiny company, not a big company. If he did all those things in a big company, he was a senior manager and he sure the hell wasn't issuing dozens of POs a day as he claims

Joe does like to stretch the truth forgetting who he's talking with half the time.

He said he orders over a dozen trailers of corrugation every day. I'm assuming he means boxes. Several of our customers are companies that make the stuff, and I don't recall any of them delivering more than one trailer load to any customer large or small. I've never delivered to a place that's even large enough to receive that amount of material in one day. I would be willing to bet that any Amazon outlet doesn't go through a dozen trailer loads of corrugation every day.

The standard van trailer today is 53'. Do you know how many pallets you can fit on that trailer---especially double stacking the freight because of it's unlikelihood of getting damaged?

24 pallets double stacked is 48 pallets per load. 12 trailer loads would be 576 pallets of boxes every single day. What company in the US goes through that amount every day?

That's funny. Between us, we have both bookmark ends of his lies. I'd have had no idea about what you just told me

Joe has a lot of those. A few months ago he told me he quit his job to work on his own. He supposedly wrote resumes and did very well financially.

Now in this discussion he talks about his job. Hmmm, what doesn't add up here????

Yeah, he cuts me down all the time, but I don't care, at least I'm honest about who I am and what I do. He's trying to tell me that he makes a living doing something anybody could mimic and learn off the internet. If there is any truth to what he says, he's the only professional resume writer I've ever met.

Writing resumes? He doesn't make half $80K doing that. He probably got fired again.

Like I said before, I've only fired one person with a good attitude my entire career. And I've fired a lot of people. A good attitude about your job, your boss and your company will virtually guarantee success. You obviously have a good attitude about what you do.

The one person I fired who had a good attitude. simply would not stop and check her work before she passed it on. She was in customer service and kept writing up orders wrong. You can imagine how expensive that became. It got to the point I had to have a graphic designer call the customer for every order to ensure it was written up right. So why have her there at all? But counselling over and over and she couldn't do it.

Joe has such an obvious bad attitude about life. His bosses LOVE firing him. And his co-workers are happy to see him go. People like that just suck the life out of you. He claims no one at work knows he has a bad attitude. It's so consistent and pervasive that's not possible

I am the same way, if the attitude is bad, I will give them a shot to change it, if they don’t change, I get rid of them and the co-workers are relieved to get rid of a negative influence.

I had an employee that wasn’t working out in their position and she had a great attitude, we worked with her and eventually moved her to a position where she could be successful. Attitude is an important aspect.

Yep. And as I'm sure you agree, having a good attitude doesn't mean you hug everyone. It just means you're considerate and work with people to get the job done. You don't complain and criticize people all day. It's really not that hard. Employees are harder on slackers often than management because they have to cover for their work.

And I agree absolutely, you give people reasonable chances. I have had people who I spoke to and had no more problem with. They weren't really aware of what they are doing and got it when I pointed it out. I've never had to speak to someone more than once though and had it work out. If they don't get it the first time, they don't care

 

[Papageorgio]

That's because your companies are small and don't pay health insurance.

Sorry, man, we brought in whole truckloads from major integrated box makers. By the time it gets to your bottom-feeder company, it's probably been brokered through a couple of distributors.

That doesn't matter. I think you have no idea how many boxes 12 trailer loads are. Nobody (I don't care how big the company) goes through that much. Do you even realize how large of a staging area one would need just to accept that freight?

Some of our customers have anywhere between 15 and 60 docks at their facility. International companies that produce products for the US and all over the world.

Um, I could name several, but I'd probably be breaking confidentiality agreements.

But- Amazon would be a good example. (We didn't have that account, but we wanted it) Any e-commerce operation. Most big box retailers. Some manufacturing companies...

One company I dealt with a decade ago was Solo Cup. Managed four locations buying about 12MM a year in just corrugated. We had to have warehouses dedicated specifically to their business. My job was to source, schedule, inventory and plan their usage based on their MRP, and react quickly if they changed their MRP for whatever reason.

Any company using that amount would be stupid not to invest in their own box making machinery. Do you know what it costs just in freight to deliver those kinds of loads yet alone warehouse them? It would cost more than the freight itself. We don't work for free you know.

This question is to you, Ray. Do you know what he's talking about when he said he bought "dozens of truckloads all around the country a day?" Is he saying they buy massive boxes from big companies and break them up into shipments for small companies? I'm not asking about the truthfulness for this question. I'm just trying to figure out what he says he does.

If that's the case, wouldn't they need distribution centers around the country to unload, repackage and reload the boxes into smaller shipments? That doesn't seem right to do as a business model to me. I'd not just be ordering mass boxes, I'd order them as I got orders and have the box company put the boxes.

And if he's just ordering boxes, it seems like the price negotiation would mostly be done once to establish pricing from various box vendors unless there's a special order. Then it would be more getting a custom quote from at least two vendors.

Negotia

Joe does like to stretch the truth forgetting who he's talking with half the time.

He said he orders over a dozen trailers of corrugation every day. I'm assuming he means boxes. Several of our customers are companies that make the stuff, and I don't recall any of them delivering more than one trailer load to any customer large or small. I've never delivered to a place that's even large enough to receive that amount of material in one day. I would be willing to bet that any Amazon outlet doesn't go through a dozen trailer loads of corrugation every day.

The standard van trailer today is 53'. Do you know how many pallets you can fit on that trailer---especially double stacking the freight because of it's unlikelihood of getting damaged?

24 pallets double stacked is 48 pallets per load. 12 trailer loads would be 576 pallets of boxes every single day. What company in the US goes through that amount every day?

That's funny. Between us, we have both bookmark ends of his lies. I'd have had no idea about what you just told me

Joe has a lot of those. A few months ago he told me he quit his job to work on his own. He supposedly wrote resumes and did very well financially.

Now in this discussion he talks about his job. Hmmm, what doesn't add up here????

Yeah, he cuts me down all the time, but I don't care, at least I'm honest about who I am and what I do. He's trying to tell me that he makes a living doing something anybody could mimic and learn off the internet. If there is any truth to what he says, he's the only professional resume writer I've ever met.

Writing resumes? He doesn't make half $80K doing that. He probably got fired again.

Like I said before, I've only fired one person with a good attitude my entire career. And I've fired a lot of people. A good attitude about your job, your boss and your company will virtually guarantee success. You obviously have a good attitude about what you do.

The one person I fired who had a good attitude. simply would not stop and check her work before she passed it on. She was in customer service and kept writing up orders wrong. You can imagine how expensive that became. It got to the point I had to have a graphic designer call the customer for every order to ensure it was written up right. So why have her there at all? But counselling over and over and she couldn't do it.

Joe has such an obvious bad attitude about life. His bosses LOVE firing him. And his co-workers are happy to see him go. People like that just suck the life out of you. He claims no one at work knows he has a bad attitude. It's so consistent and pervasive that's not possible

I am the same way, if the attitude is bad, I will give them a shot to change it, if they don’t change, I get rid of them and the co-workers are relieved to get rid of a negative influence.

I had an employee that wasn’t working out in their position and she had a great attitude, we worked with her and eventually moved her to a position where she could be successful. Attitude is an important aspect.

Yep. And as I'm sure you agree, having a good attitude doesn't mean you hug everyone. It just means you're considerate and work with people to get the job done. You don't complain and criticize people all day. It's really not that hard. Employees are harder on slackers often than management because they have to cover for their work.

And I agree absolutely, you give people reasonable chances. I have had people who I spoke to and had no more problem with. They weren't really aware of what they are doing and got it when I pointed it out. I've never had to speak to someone more than once though and had it work out. If they don't get it the first time, they don't care

Yep, 99% of employee’s want to do a good job and want praise and training, it is up to management to give them the tools to be successful and a good work atmosphere.

 

[kaz]

Joe has such an obvious bad attitude about life. His bosses LOVE firing him. And his co-workers are happy to see him go. People like that just suck the life out of you. He claims no one at work knows he has a bad attitude. It's so consistent and pervasive that's not possible

Again, three companies I previously worked for asked me back. So, um, no. you'd be wrong again.

Thanks for the description of the industry. No, I don't know that industry. I did realize after I said that most people probably want the boxes printed. Actually, my graphic design business did one box deal where we did the design and had a box vendor print and deliver the boxes.

It was for UNC and we had to store piles of boxes for them and give them boxes as they needed them. They paid us for the storage and deliveries, but it totally wasn't worth the hassle. We had to do it though because we were a preferred UNC vendor and you don't get any work if you pick and choose.

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As for you, I've known people who hated their job and had a bad attitude at work and were a different person outside the office. I always told them that I have no sympathy. If they hate their employer, they need to quit. If they take the money, they need to do their job. Going into work and taking the money and not doing the job is dishonest

But I've never known someone who has a bad attitude in life like you do and doesn't take that into work with them. So you don't pass the smell test.

What I don't understand is why people like you enjoy so much making everyone around you so miserable. It's not your fault that you are miserable, you were just born unable to be happy. But why does bringing others into your world of misery give you such delight? I just don't understand that

 

[JoeB131]

The box guru. You don't even know what price negotiation is for commodities. You may have had corporate agreements, but that's negotiated once and can run for years, not on a daily basis like you claim.

Again you should learn what you are talking about. The cost of PAPER was set. But when you got into the actual box design, then the prices fluctuated, based on design, print, color, board grade, die cuts and half a dozen other factors.

For something like boxes, you probably didn't have that though. The problem is that the price of the materials changes too much for a box company to want to give you long term fixed prices.

Actually,the price of paper was stable from about 2009 up until 2014 or so, and then they started jacking up the prices. It's mostly because as I said, 5 companies control the whole industry... and usually when IP decides prices are going up, they go up.

They probably sent you some sort of rate card every few months and/or you called 2 or 3 of them for a quote for a custom deal depending where the customer is. There's no real skill involved.

Well, actually, there is, because you had to know who could run what. Who can run three colors. Who can run lithographic labels, who can do processed colors. Who can do in line die cutting. can they use someone's existing tooling? I could go on and on, but it actually is a select skill. Who can do post gluing, taping, stapling. Last place I quit STILL hasn't replaced me. They can't find someone who knows the industry that well. (Not that they used me effectively, part of the reason I got fed up.)

But I've never known someone who has a bad attitude in life like you do and doesn't take that into work with them. So you don't pass the smell test.

Again, you don't know me. So anything you say has no validity. The only thing you know is that I spank you on a regular basis on these boards, because I'm very tenacious and never give up. That's actually my biggest strength in working environments. (Yes, I quit the last dump, but that was after some real provocation)

What I don't understand is why people like you enjoy so much making everyone around you so miserable.

Guy, the only people I make miserable are racist fucknuts on USMB. Now, to a degree, I will admit, I'm MUCH nastier here than I am in real life, but that's because I deal with such awful people here... I don't carry that over into work, family or my business.

I can compartmentalize. Unlike most of you people, you are probably just as awful IRL you are here.

Now kindly go fuck off.

 

[JoeB131]

Yep, 99% of employee’s want to do a good job and want praise and training, it is up to management to give them the tools to be successful and a good work atmosphere.

And that's the problem. Most managers suck at it. Most of them can't check their egos at the door.

The real problem is we have "Managers" and not "Leaders".

 

[JoeB131]

I always like how socialists who want other people's money aren't greedy, capitalists who just want to keep our own money are.

But that's the question, whose money is it?

The fact is, the One Percent has 43% of the wealth.

Well, what is wealth? Wealth is a measure of the goods and services produced by working folks. Did the one percent do 43% of the labor, or did they just divide the proceeds to their own advantage.

Or as a VERY WISE MAN SAID.

Fucking Commie Lincoln freeing the slaves? Man, that guy hated Freedom. And America! and thought that people were entitled to their own lives.

Okay, now I'm done mocking you.

 

[P@triot]

Jesse Watters is spot-on here - there is absolutely no spinning this in a positive light. President Trump and the Republican Party just had their asses handed to them on a silver platter. The Dumbocrats took them to the woodshed despite being the minority party.

“This was a huge defeat for the president on a signature issue,” Watters continued, “it’s really really bad, there’s no way to spin it. I know he wanted more money for the military and that’s incredibly important but he sacrificed everything else to get it.”

So much for “The Art of the Deal”. They should rename his book “We Can Smell His Fear”. He caved to a bunch of radicals that don’t even matter. There is a reason that Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are in the minority party.

‘No way to spin’ a ‘huge defeat’ for Trump, says Jesse Watters in scathing commentary

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Guy, the only people I make miserable are racist fucknuts on USMB. Now, to a degree, I will admit, I'm MUCH nastier here than I am in real life, but that's because I deal with such awful people here.

No, it's because you would get punched in the face.

We used to have a local blog and of course, talked about political issues locally. Then the conservatives thought it would be a good idea to meet in person, so they arranged to meet at a bar in the center of where we all lived.

Liberals were invited, but only one showed up at the event I attended.

Why didn't the others attend? Because they were keyboard commandos that insulted many conservatives. Tough guys on the computer but didn't have the guts to meet in person.

The one who did attend conducted himself the way I do in blogs: talk to people on a mature adult level. We disagreed on many issues, but it was very civil and he was a really great guy. We had a great time and that's the way it should be.

Granted, at the time, I was 6'3" and 240 lbs. I graduated as black belt several years earlier. But that shouldn't matter if you talk to people on an intelligent level.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's because your companies are small and don't pay health insurance.

Sorry, man, we brought in whole truckloads from major integrated box makers. By the time it gets to your bottom-feeder company, it's probably been brokered through a couple of distributors.

That doesn't matter. I think you have no idea how many boxes 12 trailer loads are. Nobody (I don't care how big the company) goes through that much. Do you even realize how large of a staging area one would need just to accept that freight?

Some of our customers have anywhere between 15 and 60 docks at their facility. International companies that produce products for the US and all over the world.

Um, I could name several, but I'd probably be breaking confidentiality agreements.

But- Amazon would be a good example. (We didn't have that account, but we wanted it) Any e-commerce operation. Most big box retailers. Some manufacturing companies...

One company I dealt with a decade ago was Solo Cup. Managed four locations buying about 12MM a year in just corrugated. We had to have warehouses dedicated specifically to their business. My job was to source, schedule, inventory and plan their usage based on their MRP, and react quickly if they changed their MRP for whatever reason.

Any company using that amount would be stupid not to invest in their own box making machinery. Do you know what it costs just in freight to deliver those kinds of loads yet alone warehouse them? It would cost more than the freight itself. We don't work for free you know.

This question is to you, Ray. Do you know what he's talking about when he said he bought "dozens of truckloads all around the country a day?" Is he saying they buy massive boxes from big companies and break them up into shipments for small companies? I'm not asking about the truthfulness for this question. I'm just trying to figure out what he says he does.

If that's the case, wouldn't they need distribution centers around the country to unload, repackage and reload the boxes into smaller shipments? That doesn't seem right to do as a business model to me. I'd not just be ordering mass boxes, I'd order them as I got orders and have the box company put the boxes.

And if he's just ordering boxes, it seems like the price negotiation would mostly be done once to establish pricing from various box vendors unless there's a special order. Then it would be more getting a custom quote from at least two vendors.

Negotia

Joe does like to stretch the truth forgetting who he's talking with half the time.

He said he orders over a dozen trailers of corrugation every day. I'm assuming he means boxes. Several of our customers are companies that make the stuff, and I don't recall any of them delivering more than one trailer load to any customer large or small. I've never delivered to a place that's even large enough to receive that amount of material in one day. I would be willing to bet that any Amazon outlet doesn't go through a dozen trailer loads of corrugation every day.

The standard van trailer today is 53'. Do you know how many pallets you can fit on that trailer---especially double stacking the freight because of it's unlikelihood of getting damaged?

24 pallets double stacked is 48 pallets per load. 12 trailer loads would be 576 pallets of boxes every single day. What company in the US goes through that amount every day?

That's funny. Between us, we have both bookmark ends of his lies. I'd have had no idea about what you just told me

Joe has a lot of those. A few months ago he told me he quit his job to work on his own. He supposedly wrote resumes and did very well financially.

Now in this discussion he talks about his job. Hmmm, what doesn't add up here????

Yeah, he cuts me down all the time, but I don't care, at least I'm honest about who I am and what I do. He's trying to tell me that he makes a living doing something anybody could mimic and learn off the internet. If there is any truth to what he says, he's the only professional resume writer I've ever met.

Writing resumes? He doesn't make half $80K doing that. He probably got fired again.

Like I said before, I've only fired one person with a good attitude my entire career. And I've fired a lot of people. A good attitude about your job, your boss and your company will virtually guarantee success. You obviously have a good attitude about what you do.

The one person I fired who had a good attitude. simply would not stop and check her work before she passed it on. She was in customer service and kept writing up orders wrong. You can imagine how expensive that became. It got to the point I had to have a graphic designer call the customer for every order to ensure it was written up right. So why have her there at all? But counselling over and over and she couldn't do it.

Joe has such an obvious bad attitude about life. His bosses LOVE firing him. And his co-workers are happy to see him go. People like that just suck the life out of you. He claims no one at work knows he has a bad attitude. It's so consistent and pervasive that's not possible

I am the same way, if the attitude is bad, I will give them a shot to change it, if they don’t change, I get rid of them and the co-workers are relieved to get rid of a negative influence.

I had an employee that wasn’t working out in their position and she had a great attitude, we worked with her and eventually moved her to a position where she could be successful. Attitude is an important aspect.

Yep. And as I'm sure you agree, having a good attitude doesn't mean you hug everyone. It just means you're considerate and work with people to get the job done. You don't complain and criticize people all day. It's really not that hard. Employees are harder on slackers often than management because they have to cover for their work.

And I agree absolutely, you give people reasonable chances. I have had people who I spoke to and had no more problem with. They weren't really aware of what they are doing and got it when I pointed it out. I've never had to speak to someone more than once though and had it work out. If they don't get it the first time, they don't care

I've worked with guys who hated the company so much they claimed it gave them nightmares. One guy stated he was getting physically ill because of the job. We had another guy who came in every morning, walked past my car in the employee parking lot shaking his head back and forth mumbling something under his breath. He was pissed off before he even punched in.

You get that just about anywhere you work. Sure, I get pissed off at my job too, but it's not going to ruin my life. When I have a bad day, it's nothing that a six pack of Molson won't take care of.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Depends on the size of the box, the board grade, and so on. And, um yeah, the company I used to work for took in that many trucks a day... (I wasn't the only buyer there, nor did we have one location.)

It does not.

24 48X48 pallets takes the same amount of room no matter how many boxes are on each one. If they are larger boxes on less pallets, it still takes the same amount of room on a receiving floor.

One customer of ours made boxes for a garage door company. That company made garage doors for single cars up to industrial garage doors 15' high and four trucks wide. It doesn't matter. 4 of those kind of pallets take just as much space as 24 pallets of much smaller boxes.

Actually, in my area, there are about 20 companies that do what mine does. That I've been able to identify. And that's not even getting into the downtown companies that charge hundreds of bucks.

And I get the guy who thought he was really smart and done learned it on the internet. After I'm done laughing, I explain to them what they did wrong and I do it the right way.

But I cut you down for a reason. Because you are the kind of dumb white person who has been played by the one percenters. I used to fall for that... but I don't anymore.

Oh this hangup of your 1%. Good God, jealousy is such a common trait with you on the left. The reason I don't worry about the 1% is because they have no affect on my life. I worry about my own money and not worry about theirs. If you did the same you'd find a much happier life.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This question is to you, Ray. Do you know what he's talking about when he said he bought "dozens of truckloads all around the country a day?" Is he saying they buy massive boxes from big companies and break them up into shipments for small companies? I'm not asking about the truthfulness for this question. I'm just trying to figure out what he says he does.

If that's the case, wouldn't they need distribution centers around the country to unload, repackage and reload the boxes into smaller shipments? That doesn't seem right to do as a business model to me. I'd not just be ordering mass boxes, I'd order them as I got orders and have the box company put the boxes.

And if he's just ordering boxes, it seems like the price negotiation would mostly be done once to establish pricing from various box vendors unless there's a special order. Then it would be more getting a custom quote from at least two vendors.

Negotia

Different companies make different kinds of boxes. We have at least a dozen companies here in Cleveland, but I've seen companies order boxes all the way from Indiana. You would think somebody around here would make the kind of boxes they need. The shipping costs must be killing them.

I've delivered boxes from three different vendors to one company. When I walk into the receiving department, the receiver would say "You back again? What did they forget the last shipment?" Then I would explain that I'm delivering from a different box company.

We deal with two companies on a consistent basis, and we have about three more that use us only when they get too busy for their drivers to handle the daily load.

Writing resumes? He doesn't make half $80K doing that. He probably got fired again.

Like I said before, I've only fired one person with a good attitude my entire career. And I've fired a lot of people. A good attitude about your job, your boss and your company will virtually guarantee success. You obviously have a good attitude about what you do.

The one person I fired who had a good attitude. simply would not stop and check her work before she passed it on. She was in customer service and kept writing up orders wrong. You can imagine how expensive that became. It got to the point I had to have a graphic designer call the customer for every order to ensure it was written up right. So why have her there at all? But counselling over and over and she couldn't do it.

Joe has such an obvious bad attitude about life. His bosses LOVE firing him. And his co-workers are happy to see him go. People like that just suck the life out of you. He claims no one at work knows he has a bad attitude. It's so consistent and pervasive that's not possible

Agreed. But again, you have those kind everywhere.

It also depends on what you are bitching about. I had a friend who got a job years ago at a company down the street from where I live. During training, another worker would approach the supervisor bitching up and down about something he didn't like or something that he felt was wrong. The next day, the same thing, the next day, the same thing.

My friend didn't want to criticize at first, but after he got to know the supervisor well enough, he asked "That guy bitches every single day. When are you going to fire him already???" The supervisor replied "When he stops bitching."

 

[JoeB131]

No, it's because you would get punched in the face.

Trust me, buddy, nobody confronts me phsyically...

24 48X48 pallets takes the same amount of room no matter how many boxes are on each one. If they are larger boxes on less pallets, it still takes the same amount of room on a receiving floor.

Ray, you don't know what you are talking about.

You can fit a lot more small boxes of a low board grade of 32ECT on a truck than you can big double wall boxes of 48ECT on a truck. And most companies- you know, real companies, have a pretty efficient way of moving them around the plant.

Oh this hangup of your 1%. Good God, jealousy is such a common trait with you on the left. The reason I don't worry about the 1% is because they have no affect on my life. I worry about my own money and not worry about theirs. If you did the same you'd find a much happier life.

Of course, they have an effect on your life.

It's why you - wait for it - can't get health insurance. Because unlike every other civilized country that has universal coverage, we have greedy insurance companies that pay their CEO's nine figure salaries to make us all fight over health care.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Trust me, buddy, nobody confronts me phsyically...

I told you to switch mouth wash.

Ray, you don't know what you are talking about.

You can fit a lot more small boxes of a low board grade of 32ECT on a truck than you can big double wall boxes of 48ECT on a truck. And most companies- you know, real companies, have a pretty efficient way of moving them around the plant.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You can fit more boxes, but it still takes the same amount of room. A trailer load of boxes is a trailer load of boxes no matter what size. A trailer load takes up roughly 53' X 8' of room be it ten boxes or 2,000 boxes.

Of course, they have an effect on your life.

It's why you - wait for it - can't get health insurance. Because unlike every other civilized country that has universal coverage, we have greedy insurance companies that pay their CEO's nine figure salaries to make us all fight over health care.

Really? We didn't have too much of a problem before Ears took it over. Thanks to Democrats and their support for trial lawyers, you need to see two or three doctors today instead of one like we did years ago. They are trying to pass off liability possibilities to other doctors in the event they get sued. Bet they don't have that in other countries.

In other countries, the only time you see a specialist is if the MD is incapable of treating the problem. Here, if it's anything other than cold, they ship you off to a specialist which costs a lot of money. Then the specialists run every test possible not to help them in the diagnosis, but to cover their asses in case they get sued. All this costs money--money which our insurance companies have to pay.

Government caused our problems. Your solution? More government.