Repent or Perish... Time is Running Out

[RodISHI]

Direct, personal revelation is the only valid basis for faith. Otherwise, information that comes to one merely through perceptions has no more validity for another person than that person's own perceptual acquisitions. Why do people believe in Mohammed or Jesus? The vast majority are not aware of it, but their 'faith' is just a choice. They heard about their hero and 'believe'. But what is the difference between the channels of information that led to their 'faith'? There is none. Only someone who knows he or she has had a religious experience has a genuine faith, and has to know that his/her faith is entirely personal. One cannot expect others to conform.

You do make a valid point. Faith is a personal. For those who have faith hearing and sharing can help sustain through trials and tribulations or for those still taking baby steps that are seeking. For those who are unsure they can seek out through others and sometimes help find answers to questions that they may have. It still comes down to personal faith and seeking the truth when they urge comes over someone. If we have seen things along the way or have had spiritual experiences (gifts) it does make us more adamant in our beliefs. Those treasures of heaven (gifts) are kept safely hidden if we would waste them and if we live our lives as carnal beings we could easily be wasteful. If we wasted heavenly gifts and were awakened fully we may have a very difficult time overcoming our own shame. Dying in our shame is not what the Lord wants for us either.

edit: Anyone can only share what they know to the level of their own understanding.

 

[RodISHI]

I think the hangup on that is that the christian churches failed to teach about the Rod of correction and the Rod of destruction along with the fact that Jesus (Jehovah's salvation with us) was crucified in the flesh because of its evil nature; plus Judgement is in the world (carnal humans). It was put there by the Spirit when breath was given.

Or it could be that when we confess our sins out loud to another person the power sin holds over us is released and that when we forgive others it is not only a gift that we give them but also a gift we give ourselves. Of course, I wouldn't expect just any one to understand these self evident facts because most are blind to reality.

When we confess our sins to God the power of that sin is immediately broken. Confessing our sins to a brother or sister in Christ does not break the power of that sin, it must be confessed to the LORD because He alone can forgive us. Now if we have sinned against our brethren I agree we should go and ask for forgiveness if that is possible and that will be a blessing to the person we sinned against and ourselves.

Tell that to people who feel the weight of sin leave them after they tell someone else their sin.

I am not opposed to a believer confessing their sin to another believer who they are able to confide in (I would advise wisdom in choosing a person you give your confidence to as not all who profess Christ as their Lord are telling the truth) but I must remind you that Jesus Christ alone is the one who can forgive our sins.

I believe it doesn't matter who you tell your sins to. When we are able to speak our sins out loud that sin loses all power it held over us. We are only as sick as the secrets we keep. We can't fix what we don't acknowledge is broke.

Actually if one person sins against another the perp of the offense is supposed to go to that person they committed the offense against. I have personally seen this one in action several times and it works.

 

[Anathema]

I don't see how you could have any joy in your life without forgiveness. It's impossible to live in this world without people offending you, hurting you whether it be intentional or unintentional.

Life is,not about joy or happiness. Never has been. I stopped worrying what other people thought about me when I was 5. I stopped worrying about offending others with the truth when I was 10 or 11. Forgiveness is a lie. You cannot undo the Wrong. It stand the Soul permanently.

 

[ding]

Or it could be that when we confess our sins out loud to another person the power sin holds over us is released and that when we forgive others it is not only a gift that we give them but also a gift we give ourselves. Of course, I wouldn't expect just any one to understand these self evident facts because most are blind to reality.

When we confess our sins to God the power of that sin is immediately broken. Confessing our sins to a brother or sister in Christ does not break the power of that sin, it must be confessed to the LORD because He alone can forgive us. Now if we have sinned against our brethren I agree we should go and ask for forgiveness if that is possible and that will be a blessing to the person we sinned against and ourselves.

Tell that to people who feel the weight of sin leave them after they tell someone else their sin.

I am not opposed to a believer confessing their sin to another believer who they are able to confide in (I would advise wisdom in choosing a person you give your confidence to as not all who profess Christ as their Lord are telling the truth) but I must remind you that Jesus Christ alone is the one who can forgive our sins.

I believe it doesn't matter who you tell your sins to. When we are able to speak our sins out loud that sin loses all power it held over us. We are only as sick as the secrets we keep. We can't fix what we don't acknowledge is broke.

Actually if one person sins against another the perp of the offense is supposed to go to that person they committed the offense against. I have personally seen this one in action several times and it works.

Sure, that is how one makes amends. What about someone who is addicted to porn? What I am talking about is the power that sin holds over us, not making amends.

 

[there4eyeM]

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Life is,not about joy or happiness. Never has been. I stopped worrying what other people thought about me when I was 5. I stopped worrying about offending others with the truth when I was 10 or 11. Forgiveness is a lie. You cannot undo the Wrong. It stand the Soul permanently.[/QUOTE]
Well, it goes with one as long as one chooses to carry it.

 

[RodISHI]

When we confess our sins to God the power of that sin is immediately broken. Confessing our sins to a brother or sister in Christ does not break the power of that sin, it must be confessed to the LORD because He alone can forgive us. Now if we have sinned against our brethren I agree we should go and ask for forgiveness if that is possible and that will be a blessing to the person we sinned against and ourselves.

Tell that to people who feel the weight of sin leave them after they tell someone else their sin.

I am not opposed to a believer confessing their sin to another believer who they are able to confide in (I would advise wisdom in choosing a person you give your confidence to as not all who profess Christ as their Lord are telling the truth) but I must remind you that Jesus Christ alone is the one who can forgive our sins.

I believe it doesn't matter who you tell your sins to. When we are able to speak our sins out loud that sin loses all power it held over us. We are only as sick as the secrets we keep. We can't fix what we don't acknowledge is broke.

Actually if one person sins against another the perp of the offense is supposed to go to that person they committed the offense against. I have personally seen this one in action several times and it works.

Sure, that is how one makes amends. What about someone who is addicted to porn? What I am talking about is the power that sin holds over us, not making amends.

What you are talking about is a sin against one's self. Someone who insults the holy spirit within themselves can take that directly up with God. For some it may be easier to have a person to talk with so it has to go back to that personal thing in their faith. Not all grow at the same pace.

 

[Anathema]

Well, it goes with one as long as one chooses to carry it.

No. It attaches itself to the Soul and permanently stains that Soul until Judgement.

 

[there4eyeM]

Well, it goes with one as long as one chooses to carry it.

No. It attaches itself to the Soul and permanently stains that Soul until Judgement.

In that case, be 'Judgement'!
What is the only sin that cannot be forgiven (according to Jesus)?

 

[Anathema]

In that case, be 'Judgement'! What is the only sin that cannot be forgiven (according to Jesus)?

Jesus has no place in my view of the world, religion or Spirituality.

To answer your question in the context of my views..... no Sin can be forgiven.

 

[ding]

Tell that to people who feel the weight of sin leave them after they tell someone else their sin.

I am not opposed to a believer confessing their sin to another believer who they are able to confide in (I would advise wisdom in choosing a person you give your confidence to as not all who profess Christ as their Lord are telling the truth) but I must remind you that Jesus Christ alone is the one who can forgive our sins.

I believe it doesn't matter who you tell your sins to. When we are able to speak our sins out loud that sin loses all power it held over us. We are only as sick as the secrets we keep. We can't fix what we don't acknowledge is broke.

Actually if one person sins against another the perp of the offense is supposed to go to that person they committed the offense against. I have personally seen this one in action several times and it works.

Sure, that is how one makes amends. What about someone who is addicted to porn? What I am talking about is the power that sin holds over us, not making amends.

What you are talking about is a sin against one's self. Someone who insults the holy spirit within themselves can take that directly up with God. For some it may be easier to have a person to talk with so it has to go back to that personal thing in their faith. Not all grow at the same pace.

I'm not trying to convince you. If you don't want to speak your sins out loud to another person, don't. It is as simple as that.

 

[ding]

Life is,not about joy or happiness. Never has been. I stopped worrying what other people thought about me when I was 5. I stopped worrying about offending others with the truth when I was 10 or 11. Forgiveness is a lie. You cannot undo the Wrong. It stand the Soul permanently.

Actually life is about happiness.



Forgiveness is not a lie.



Isn't science great?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Suffering: Abiding in the Night

for Mr. A.

 

[BreezeWood]

In that case, be 'Judgement'! What is the only sin that cannot be forgiven (according to Jesus)?

Jesus has no place in my view of the world, religion or Spirituality.

To answer your question in the context of my views..... no Sin can be forgiven.

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To answer your question in the context of my views..... no Sin can be forgiven.

there are some sins that are irredeemable, taking a life however might not the cause for the sin be a consideration -

if raised to sin by a parent and the child realizes the error are they or the parent responsible and if the child experiences a rebirth from the error, their past sins then are [no] longer theirs to face at Judgement.

and certainly at some point in time an individual is capable not sinning, ever again, for the purpose to become pure before their death the proper state for even there to be a Judgement rendered. the previous sins redeemed.

 

[Anathema]

there are some sins that are irredeemable, taking a life however might not the cause for the sin be a consideration -

if raised to sin by a parent and the child realizes the error are they or the parent responsible and if the child experiences a rebirth from the error, their past sins then are [no] longer theirs to face at Judgement.

and certainly at some point in time an individual is capable not sinning, ever again, for the purpose to become pure before their death the proper state for even there to be a Judgement rendered. the previous sins redeemed.

I don't believe in Inherited Sin. Each Soul starts with a clean, blank slate.

It is the Soul's job to correct the mind, when necessary. Such as when the education of the mind, relative to Right and Wrong is deficient in some way or another.

The ability to stop sinning simply keeps the Soul from becoming more tarnished. It cannot remove whatever stain already exists.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

there are some sins that are irredeemable, taking a life however might not the cause for the sin be a consideration -

if raised to sin by a parent and the child realizes the error are they or the parent responsible and if the child experiences a rebirth from the error, their past sins then are [no] longer theirs to face at Judgement.

and certainly at some point in time an individual is capable not sinning, ever again, for the purpose to become pure before their death the proper state for even there to be a Judgement rendered. the previous sins redeemed.

I don't believe in Inherited Sin. Each Soul starts with a clean, blank slate.

It is the Soul's job to correct the mind, when necessary. Such as when the education of the mind, relative to Right and Wrong is deficient in some way or another.

The ability to stop sinning simply keeps the Soul from becoming more tarnished. It cannot remove whatever stain already exists.

We were born with the sin nature because of Adam's sin. We see this fallen nature in our children before they even know right from wrong - it's there. When we are born again and redeemed God gives us a new heart / a new nature and we desire to obey God. It becomes most natural to obey God because we are restored back to his image and his likeness (Gen. 1:26) as we follow after His Son (after receiving Jesus as our Lord and Savior). What you are describing is not possible apart from God. We must be born again. As to the stain of sin, when we go to the Lord and ask forgiveness for a specific sin it is as if we never sinned. We are cleansed by the Blood of Jesus Christ and that sin is gone never to be remembered by God again, Mr. A. Did you read the link on suffering? What do you think? Could you identify with what the author was speaking about?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

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When you say nothing more than a test do you feel that God is detached and approaching those tested in a clinical observation type of way? You acknowledge that there is right and wrong so it's clear you believe in and acknowledge wickedness vs holiness in our words and deeds, right?

Yes, in a clinical and disconnected manner. I acknowledge Right and Wrong, which I see as universal concepts, not as precepts of a particular religion.

As a hypothetical question to you, imagine a father who approaches his own sons and daughters from a clinical and disconnected manner. The children never approach their father for affection, encouragement, love, fatherly guidance but instead check in at zero 800 hours for their orders and do what they are told to do and then check in the next day to the same thing over and over and over again. Every time they fail the father says this will be recorded and remembered as a mark against you and I'll be bringing it up to you every day for the rest of your life. What would you think of such a father? Would that not be more of a dictator than a true father? What do you think about that?

 

[Anathema]

As a hypothetical question to you, imagine a father who approaches his own sons and daughters from a clinical and disconnected manner. The children never approach their father for affection, encouragement, love, fatherly guidance but instead check in at zero 800 hours for their orders and do what they are told to do and then check in the next day to the same thing over and over and over again. Every time they fail the father says this will be recorded and remembered as a mark against you and I'll be bringing it up to you every day for the rest of your life. What would you think of such a father? Would that not be more of a dictator than a true father? What do you think about that?

That's exactly what I wanted in a dad and probably what I would/will be if my wife and I ever have kids.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

As a hypothetical question to you, imagine a father who approaches his own sons and daughters from a clinical and disconnected manner. The children never approach their father for affection, encouragement, love, fatherly guidance but instead check in at zero 800 hours for their orders and do what they are told to do and then check in the next day to the same thing over and over and over again. Every time they fail the father says this will be recorded and remembered as a mark against you and I'll be bringing it up to you every day for the rest of your life. What would you think of such a father? Would that not be more of a dictator than a true father? What do you think about that?

That's exactly what I wanted in a dad and probably what I would/will be if my wife and I ever have kids.

So you want to be completely emotionally detached from your children and your children from you? Do you think that using such methods in courtship / seeking a wife would ever bring success in finding a loving wife who would be a loving mother to one's children? Why would a wife warrant love and attachment but not children? Does that make any sense? As you speak about your father I picture a very loving father who didn't hide his affection for you or for his heavenly father so why would you not want that for your own family if you would some day decide to have one of your own?

 

[Anathema]

So you want to be completely emotionally detached from your children and your children from you? Do you think that using such methods in courtship / seeking a wife would ever bring success in finding a loving wife who would be a loving mother to one's children? Why would a wife warrant love and attachment but not children? Does that make any sense? As you speak about your father I picture a very loving father who didn't hide his affection for you or for his heavenly father so why would you not want that for your own family if you would some day decide to have one of your own?

I know it works in a relationship ship, because I'm in one. Married 2.5 years now. It's a marriage based on compatibility, not emotion.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

So you want to be completely emotionally detached from your children and your children from you? Do you think that using such methods in courtship / seeking a wife would ever bring success in finding a loving wife who would be a loving mother to one's children? Why would a wife warrant love and attachment but not children? Does that make any sense? As you speak about your father I picture a very loving father who didn't hide his affection for you or for his heavenly father so why would you not want that for your own family if you would some day decide to have one of your own?

I know it works in a relationship ship, because I'm in one. Married 2.5 years now. It's a marriage based on compatibility, not emotion.

What you say you desire in the way of a father / child relationship sounds more like a business arrangement than a family. Healthy families communicate their affection for one another, encourage one another and support one another emotionally. Emotion is not a bad word, Mr. A. It's healthy to have, share, express our emotions to those who are closest to us and to teach our little ones to share their emotions as well. I will give you an example. When my grandchild is visiting and eating dinner with us and she is speaking at the table we don't allow anyone to interrupt her while she is talking. We are sending her the message that what she has to say is very important to us and we are interested! She has our undivided attention. Likewise when someone else is talking we teach her by example that we will show that person the same respect in listening and not interrupting them.

We could also compare this with our relationship to God. When we pour our heart out to God in prayer we know that He is listening to every word we speak! Every word! Likewise,when we wait on the Lord to hear from Him on a matter we are carefully paying attention to Him. We study the Word of God to know the Lord more intimately and we set that time aside for the LORD daily to deepen our relationship to him. Relationships do not just happen. They take time, effort and sharing of our innermost feelings, thoughts, hopes, etc. This is what God desires from us and ideally this is what we should be desiring in our earthly families as well.