Repealing the second amendment...

[danielpalos]

Better aqueducts, better roads, and more well regulated militia is Always a good solution!

 

[Rustic]

Plan A in Japan: Law Controlling Possession, Etc. of Fire-Arms and Swords" (1978), Law No 6, Art 3, EHS Law Bulletin Series, No 3920.

"No one shall possess a firearm or firearms or a sword or swords"

What a fucked up shitty place to live... no thanks

 

[Rustic]

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

There you go. Japan operates under Plan A.

You mean Japan doesn't have 300 million guns in circulation?

How do they keep their murder rate so low without guns to protect them?

They have a police state....and a culture of submission to central authority....


Japan: Gun Control and People Control

Japan's low crime rate has almost nothing to do with gun control, and everything to do with people control. Americans, used to their own traditions of freedom, would not accept Japan's system of people controls and gun controls.



Robbery in Japan is about as rare as murder. Japan's annual robbery rate is 1.8 per 100,000 inhabitants; America's is 205.4. Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics? No, they don't.


A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates.

Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.

The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.

Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.

Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.

Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.

For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.

In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.

The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.

The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.

15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."

The police box system contrasts sharply with the practice in America. Here, most departments adopt a policy of "stranger policing." To prevent corruption, police are frequently rotated from one neighborhood to another. But as federal judge Charles Silberman writes, "the cure is worse than the disease, for officers develop no sense of identification with their beats, hence no emotional stake in improving the quality of life there."

Thus, the U.S. citizenry does not develop a supportive relationship with the police. One poll showed that 60% of police officers believe "it is difficult to persuade people to give patrolmen the information they need."

The Japanese police do not spend all their time in the koban boxes. As the Japanese government puts it: "Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police boxes." Making annual visits to each home in their beat, officers keep track of who lives where, and which family member to contact in case of emergency. The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.

Gun banners might rejoice at a society where the police keep such a sharp eye on citizens' guns. But the price is that the police keep an eye on everything.

Policemen are apt to tell people reading sexually-oriented magazines to read something more worthwhile. Japan's major official year-end police report includes statistics like "Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct." In 1985, the police determined that 37.4% of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had had sex "voluntarily." For the volunteers, 19.6% acted "out of curiosity", while for 18.1%, the motive was "liked particular boy." The year-end police report also includes sections on labor demands, and on anti-nuclear or anti-military demonstrations.

Who needs guns?

Japan shows us that guns are unnecessary in a civilized society

Mind your own business, no one is forcing you to buy firearms.

 

[Rustic]

As I said in my first post, it cannot be denied that strict gun control results in reduced homicide rates. Japan and UK nave been mentioned by fools who didn't realize those countries prove my point.


So we keep coming back to my question. What superior idea do pseudocons have for reducing the 10,000 annual gun homicides every year that does not involve strict gun control laws?


So far, they have provided nothing but evidence that strict gun control works.


Plan A: Repeal the Second Amendment

Plan B: Japan and UK!

Look at this list and pick a real problem... they are the ones much higher up on the list. Jack weed

2018 Real Time Death Statistics in America

 

[Rustic]

Let’s start by making firearm purchases easier for law abiding people. It takes around five minutes to run a background check, it should be llike a Visa card instantaneous.
Also like many other purchases a person should be able to purchase firearms absolutely anonymously.

Haha. So you want to make background checks quicker and also make purchases anonymous? I can’t believe nobody listens to your genius!

Maybe next we can build that wall and also open the border!

There is no reason why background checks can’t take only a few seconds, The FBI already Does not keep records of firearm purchases why should anyone else?

Few seconds would be great if the right system is in place. Bring it on. If Purchase records would help with criminal investigations then I’d be for those as well

Criminals don’t purchase firearms, so no need for that...

Really? You don’t think any gun that has been used in a crime had been purchased at a store? Really? Wow you are clueless. Try looking back at the last few mass shootings we’ve had in this country.

Generally violent criminals don’t buy their firearms, most times they are stolen

 

[Rustic]

What our second amendment has gotten us:
Dead Presidents
Mass killings
Suicides
Highest murder rate in the industrialized world

What it has not gotten us:
Security

People kill people, firearms have nothing to do with it.

 

[Rustic]

Gun free countries.....and number of deaths by those governments....?

You can't over throw a government without guns............after we used guns to kick out the British......and now, because we have 600 million guns, our government can't just start murdering us......they just let criminals in democrat cities murder each other....

WILLIAMS: Fascism And Communism

The People's Republic of China tops the list, with 76 million lives lost at the hands of the government from 1949 to 1987.

The Soviet Union follows, with 62 million lives lost from 1917 to 1987.

Adolf Hitler's Nazi German government killed 21 million people between 1933 and 1945.

Then there are lesser murdering regimes, such as Nationalist China, Japan, Turkey, Vietnam and Mexico. According to Rummel's research, the 20th century saw 262 millionpeople's lives lost at the hands of their own governments.

Fat, untrained gun nuts cannot defeat the strongest military in the history of the world

Only a fool would believe that the US military and law-enforcement would back the federal government against its own citizens. Military and law enforcement are overwhelmingly pro second amendment. Shit for brains

 

[Slade3200]

Haha. So you want to make background checks quicker and also make purchases anonymous? I can’t believe nobody listens to your genius!

Maybe next we can build that wall and also open the border!

There is no reason why background checks can’t take only a few seconds, The FBI already Does not keep records of firearm purchases why should anyone else?

Few seconds would be great if the right system is in place. Bring it on. If Purchase records would help with criminal investigations then I’d be for those as well

Criminals don’t purchase firearms, so no need for that...

Really? You don’t think any gun that has been used in a crime had been purchased at a store? Really? Wow you are clueless. Try looking back at the last few mass shootings we’ve had in this country.

Generally violent criminals don’t buy their firearms, most times they are stolen

Generally? Ok buddy. You clearly don’t know what you are talking about.

Who are they steeling them from?

 

[rightwinger]

What our second amendment has gotten us:
Dead Presidents
Mass killings
Suicides
Highest murder rate in the industrialized world

What it has not gotten us:
Security

People kill people, firearms have nothing to do with it.

For some reason
Our firearms are killing 30,000 a year

That is what you get when you have 300 million guns floating around

 

[rightwinger]

Gun free countries.....and number of deaths by those governments....?

You can't over throw a government without guns............after we used guns to kick out the British......and now, because we have 600 million guns, our government can't just start murdering us......they just let criminals in democrat cities murder each other....

WILLIAMS: Fascism And Communism

The People's Republic of China tops the list, with 76 million lives lost at the hands of the government from 1949 to 1987.

The Soviet Union follows, with 62 million lives lost from 1917 to 1987.

Adolf Hitler's Nazi German government killed 21 million people between 1933 and 1945.

Then there are lesser murdering regimes, such as Nationalist China, Japan, Turkey, Vietnam and Mexico. According to Rummel's research, the 20th century saw 262 millionpeople's lives lost at the hands of their own governments.

Fat, untrained gun nuts cannot defeat the strongest military in the history of the world

Only a fool would believe that the US military and law-enforcement would back the federal government against its own citizens. Military and law enforcement are overwhelmingly pro second amendment. Shit for brains

As soon as one of those gun nut vigilantes kills one of their buddies, they will go ape shit over you

 

[Rustic]

There is no reason why background checks can’t take only a few seconds, The FBI already Does not keep records of firearm purchases why should anyone else?

Few seconds would be great if the right system is in place. Bring it on. If Purchase records would help with criminal investigations then I’d be for those as well

Criminals don’t purchase firearms, so no need for that...

Really? You don’t think any gun that has been used in a crime had been purchased at a store? Really? Wow you are clueless. Try looking back at the last few mass shootings we’ve had in this country.

Generally violent criminals don’t buy their firearms, most times they are stolen

Generally? Ok buddy. You clearly don’t know what you are talking about.

Who are they steeling them from?

Other criminals

 

[rightwinger]

We don't really need a second amendment

Most countries get by perfectly well without one

 

[Slade3200]

Few seconds would be great if the right system is in place. Bring it on. If Purchase records would help with criminal investigations then I’d be for those as well

Criminals don’t purchase firearms, so no need for that...

Really? You don’t think any gun that has been used in a crime had been purchased at a store? Really? Wow you are clueless. Try looking back at the last few mass shootings we’ve had in this country.

Generally violent criminals don’t buy their firearms, most times they are stolen

Generally? Ok buddy. You clearly don’t know what you are talking about.

Who are they steeling them from?

Other criminals

Haha. Ok

 

[AsianTrumpSupporter]

Liberals will never get the support for such an amendment, which is why they want to destroy the 2nd amendment by 1,000 cuts.

 

[Rustic]

We don't really need a second amendment

Most countries get by perfectly well without one

Too bad, we have the second amendment... live with it

 

[Issa]

The US should let go of its love for guns....is becoming laughable.
Check any news outlet you will read, hear and see the following:
Son kills his entire family
Husband kills his entire family.
Work shooting.
Preschool shooting.
Freeway shooting.
Church shooting.
Game shooting.

Do gun lovers know that most of the world doesn't have this madness, they you even know what leaving without guns feels like?
I do i lived ina gun free country , it' fucking pathetic that you guys love guns and violence.

Firearms have no control over people, most people learn that grade school

We have countries with strict gun laws and we have the US. Americans are dying by thousands shot and killed because firearms are all 9ver the place....what is it hard to understand?

Only in urban controlled areas by progressives, Due to frivolous gun-control laws.

Rural areas where firearms outnumber people by many, many times over violent crime is almost unheard of... fact

Firearms have no control over people, most people learn that in grade school

Dude have you ever traveled abroad? I'm constantly overseas since age of 5. The US is the one of the most violent country in the world due to the availability of guns. There are lot of countries where police don't even have guns....Trust me it is possible to live with less or no guns IN A CIVILISED SOCIETY. most European countries are infact liberal and gun crimes no where near the US.

Before i moved here, our news feed and in Europe also...shows always the heinous gun crimes in the US we never understood it and we still don't.

The risk of firearm-related death showed no difference across the rural-urban spectrum for the population as a whole, but varied when divided up by age — firearm deaths were significantly higher for children and people ages 45 and older, while for people ages 20 to 44, the risk of firearm deaths were much higher in urban areas. I’d wager some of that comes down to differences in gun ownership: more households have firearms in rural areas than in urban ones, and sadly, too many gun owners keep their firearms where their children can reach them. The result can be tragic. At the same time, the bulk of victims killed by homicide are young men, according to FBI statistics. And they are more likely to be shot and killed in the cities.

We don't need the opinions of European idiots, how many times have you dumb asses gone to war with each other?

The world has been pointing out how stupid gun laws are in the US....but I guess gun lovers still think we live in the wide wild west.
I beg you go to other countries and see for yourself...I've lived in one, 0 gun mass shooting, 0 school shootings, 0 family members shooting their loved ones on daily basis, 0 shootings at work.

You guys who grow up here , are accustomed to the violence and all the death that gets reported daily on TV. The rest of the world is not. Pathetic for a country it calls itself "civilised".

 

[Rustic]

Firearms have no control over people, most people learn that grade school

We have countries with strict gun laws and we have the US. Americans are dying by thousands shot and killed because firearms are all 9ver the place....what is it hard to understand?

Only in urban controlled areas by progressives, Due to frivolous gun-control laws.

Rural areas where firearms outnumber people by many, many times over violent crime is almost unheard of... fact

Firearms have no control over people, most people learn that in grade school

Dude have you ever traveled abroad? I'm constantly overseas since age of 5. The US is the one of the most violent country in the world due to the availability of guns. There are lot of countries where police don't even have guns....Trust me it is possible to live with less or no guns IN A CIVILISED SOCIETY. most European countries are infact liberal and gun crimes no where near the US.

Before i moved here, our news feed and in Europe also...shows always the heinous gun crimes in the US we never understood it and we still don't.

The risk of firearm-related death showed no difference across the rural-urban spectrum for the population as a whole, but varied when divided up by age — firearm deaths were significantly higher for children and people ages 45 and older, while for people ages 20 to 44, the risk of firearm deaths were much higher in urban areas. I’d wager some of that comes down to differences in gun ownership: more households have firearms in rural areas than in urban ones, and sadly, too many gun owners keep their firearms where their children can reach them. The result can be tragic. At the same time, the bulk of victims killed by homicide are young men, according to FBI statistics. And they are more likely to be shot and killed in the cities.

We don't need the opinions of European idiots, how many times have you dumb asses gone to war with each other?

The world has been pointing out how stupid gun laws are in the US....but I guess gun lovers still think we live in the wide wild west.
I beg you go to other countries and see for yourself...I've lived in one, 0 gun mass shooting, 0 school shootings, 0 family members shooting their loved ones on daily basis, 0 shootings at work.

You guys who grow up here , are accustomed to the violence and all the death that gets reported daily on TV. The rest of the world is not. Pathetic for a country it calls itself "civilised".

Firearm violence is a nonissue in this country... fact

 

[rightwinger]

We don't really need a second amendment

Most countries get by perfectly well without one

Too bad, we have the second amendment... live with it

Yes we do

And we pay the price with a murder rate 4-5 times higher than other civilized societies
So much for keeping us safe

 

[rightwinger]

Firearms have no control over people, most people learn that grade school

We have countries with strict gun laws and we have the US. Americans are dying by thousands shot and killed because firearms are all 9ver the place....what is it hard to understand?

Only in urban controlled areas by progressives, Due to frivolous gun-control laws.

Rural areas where firearms outnumber people by many, many times over violent crime is almost unheard of... fact

Firearms have no control over people, most people learn that in grade school

Dude have you ever traveled abroad? I'm constantly overseas since age of 5. The US is the one of the most violent country in the world due to the availability of guns. There are lot of countries where police don't even have guns....Trust me it is possible to live with less or no guns IN A CIVILISED SOCIETY. most European countries are infact liberal and gun crimes no where near the US.

Before i moved here, our news feed and in Europe also...shows always the heinous gun crimes in the US we never understood it and we still don't.

The risk of firearm-related death showed no difference across the rural-urban spectrum for the population as a whole, but varied when divided up by age — firearm deaths were significantly higher for children and people ages 45 and older, while for people ages 20 to 44, the risk of firearm deaths were much higher in urban areas. I’d wager some of that comes down to differences in gun ownership: more households have firearms in rural areas than in urban ones, and sadly, too many gun owners keep their firearms where their children can reach them. The result can be tragic. At the same time, the bulk of victims killed by homicide are young men, according to FBI statistics. And they are more likely to be shot and killed in the cities.

We don't need the opinions of European idiots, how many times have you dumb asses gone to war with each other?

The world has been pointing out how stupid gun laws are in the US....but I guess gun lovers still think we live in the wide wild west.
I beg you go to other countries and see for yourself...I've lived in one, 0 gun mass shooting, 0 school shootings, 0 family members shooting their loved ones on daily basis, 0 shootings at work.

You guys who grow up here , are accustomed to the violence and all the death that gets reported daily on TV. The rest of the world is not. Pathetic for a country it calls itself "civilised".

Other nations look at our repeated mass killings and murder rate in shock.....How could a great country like the US allow this to happen?

Here in the US we just shrug our shoulders and offer up "thoughts and prayers"

 

[Issa]

We have countries with strict gun laws and we have the US. Americans are dying by thousands shot and killed because firearms are all 9ver the place....what is it hard to understand?

Only in urban controlled areas by progressives, Due to frivolous gun-control laws.

Rural areas where firearms outnumber people by many, many times over violent crime is almost unheard of... fact

Firearms have no control over people, most people learn that in grade school

Dude have you ever traveled abroad? I'm constantly overseas since age of 5. The US is the one of the most violent country in the world due to the availability of guns. There are lot of countries where police don't even have guns....Trust me it is possible to live with less or no guns IN A CIVILISED SOCIETY. most European countries are infact liberal and gun crimes no where near the US.

Before i moved here, our news feed and in Europe also...shows always the heinous gun crimes in the US we never understood it and we still don't.

The risk of firearm-related death showed no difference across the rural-urban spectrum for the population as a whole, but varied when divided up by age — firearm deaths were significantly higher for children and people ages 45 and older, while for people ages 20 to 44, the risk of firearm deaths were much higher in urban areas. I’d wager some of that comes down to differences in gun ownership: more households have firearms in rural areas than in urban ones, and sadly, too many gun owners keep their firearms where their children can reach them. The result can be tragic. At the same time, the bulk of victims killed by homicide are young men, according to FBI statistics. And they are more likely to be shot and killed in the cities.

We don't need the opinions of European idiots, how many times have you dumb asses gone to war with each other?

The world has been pointing out how stupid gun laws are in the US....but I guess gun lovers still think we live in the wide wild west.
I beg you go to other countries and see for yourself...I've lived in one, 0 gun mass shooting, 0 school shootings, 0 family members shooting their loved ones on daily basis, 0 shootings at work.

You guys who grow up here , are accustomed to the violence and all the death that gets reported daily on TV. The rest of the world is not. Pathetic for a country it calls itself "civilised".

Firearm violence is a nonissue in this country... fact

Lol