Remind us again how Health Care will be voluntary

[KittenKoder]

KK, I knew you wouldn't do any reading about the rest of the world.

Better to remain ignorant, eh?

I know a lot more about the "rest of the world" than you do.

 

[elvis]

KK, I knew you wouldn't do any reading about the rest of the world.

Better to remain ignorant, eh?

I know a lot more about the "rest of the world" than you do.

all chris knows how to do is swindle veterans out of their money.

 

[Chris]

those countries have enjoyed double-digit unemployment for the last 15 years, dumbfuck.

The unemployment rate in Japan is 5%, dumbfuck.

Do you ever research anything?

in europe, it's been over 10 percent for the past 15 years, cuntface. Look that up.

That has nothing to do with universal healthcare. Nice try, though.

And who's economy is crashing now? Who's auto companies went down because the couldn't pay for the crushing cost of for profit healthcare? And who has twice the useable land as Europe and still can't get their act together? And who spends TWICE AS MUCH PER CAPITA on healthcare as the rest of the developed world?

 

[elvis]

The unemployment rate in Japan is 5%, dumbfuck.

Do you ever research anything?

in europe, it's been over 10 percent for the past 15 years, cuntface. Look that up.

That has nothing to do with universal healthcare. Nice try, though.

And who's economy is crashing now? Who's auto companies went down because the couldn't pay for the crushing cost of for profit healthcare? And who has twice the useable land as Europe and still can't get their act together? And who spends TWICE AS MUCH PER CAPITA on healthcare as the rest of the developed world?

it has to do with all their fucking social programs which you want to put in place here, Christina.

 

[KittenKoder]

The unemployment rate in Japan is 5%, dumbfuck.

Do you ever research anything?

in europe, it's been over 10 percent for the past 15 years, cuntface. Look that up.

That has nothing to do with universal healthcare. Nice try, though.

And who's economy is crashing now? Who's auto companies went down because the couldn't pay for the crushing cost of for profit healthcare? And who has twice the useable land as Europe and still can't get their act together? And who spends TWICE AS MUCH PER CAPITA on healthcare as the rest of the developed world?

You do realize that the "twice as much" is how much the government spends on what they control, right?

 

[Chris]

KK, I knew you wouldn't do any reading about the rest of the world.

Better to remain ignorant, eh?

I know a lot more about the "rest of the world" than you do.

Hardly.

You don't seem to know anything except to parrot the right.

A single payer system is the best system there is. It is cheaper and more fair and I pray one day we will have one. Although the ignorance is strong against it.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The unemployment rate in Japan is 5%, dumbfuck.

Do you ever research anything?

in europe, it's been over 10 percent for the past 15 years, cuntface. Look that up.

That has nothing to do with universal healthcare. Nice try, though.

And who's economy is crashing now? Who's auto companies went down because the couldn't pay for the crushing cost of for profit healthcare? And who has twice the useable land as Europe and still can't get their act together? And who spends TWICE AS MUCH PER CAPITA on healthcare as the rest of the developed world?

I guess you haven't been paying attention to the reality of Japanese health care, people are DYING because hospitals REFUSE to admit them.

 

[elvis]

KK, I knew you wouldn't do any reading about the rest of the world.

Better to remain ignorant, eh?

I know a lot more about the "rest of the world" than you do.

Hardly.

You don't seem to know anything except to parrot the right.

A single payer system is the best system there is. It is cheaper and more fair and I pray one day we will have one. Although the ignorance is strong against it.

Yeah people who want to wait minutes instead of hours are ignorant. Keep praying to your boyking Obama, though.

 

[KittenKoder]

KK, I knew you wouldn't do any reading about the rest of the world.

Better to remain ignorant, eh?

I know a lot more about the "rest of the world" than you do.

Hardly.

You don't seem to know anything except to parrot the right.

A single payer system is the best system there is. It is cheaper and more fair and I pray one day we will have one. Although the ignorance is strong against it.

Prove that giving the government absolute control over your health would lower the cost and make services more available with the FDA, AMA, and ADA in power still ...

 

[elvis]

in europe, it's been over 10 percent for the past 15 years, cuntface. Look that up.

That has nothing to do with universal healthcare. Nice try, though.

And who's economy is crashing now? Who's auto companies went down because the couldn't pay for the crushing cost of for profit healthcare? And who has twice the useable land as Europe and still can't get their act together? And who spends TWICE AS MUCH PER CAPITA on healthcare as the rest of the developed world?

I guess you haven't been paying attention to the reality of Japanese health care, people are DYING because hospitals REFUSE to admit them.

He doesn't care. As long as he gets a free ride swindling veterans, he's happy.

 

[Chris]

in europe, it's been over 10 percent for the past 15 years, cuntface. Look that up.

That has nothing to do with universal healthcare. Nice try, though.

And who's economy is crashing now? Who's auto companies went down because the couldn't pay for the crushing cost of for profit healthcare? And who has twice the useable land as Europe and still can't get their act together? And who spends TWICE AS MUCH PER CAPITA on healthcare as the rest of the developed world?

it has to do with all their fucking social programs which you want to put in place here, Christina.

Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,haaaaa!!!!!!!!!

Oh....I have to catch my breath......whew......

That is the dumbest comment ever.

No, it is because Reagan and the Bushes borrowed money like crazy by lowering taxes and increasing spending, and then Phil Gramm deregulated the financial services industry that led to the $516 TRILLION DOLLAR derivative bubble that NO ONE in the press ever talks about directly. Warren Buffet hit it right on the head....

MarketWatch.com Story

 

[KittenKoder]

That has nothing to do with universal healthcare. Nice try, though.

And who's economy is crashing now? Who's auto companies went down because the couldn't pay for the crushing cost of for profit healthcare? And who has twice the useable land as Europe and still can't get their act together? And who spends TWICE AS MUCH PER CAPITA on healthcare as the rest of the developed world?

it has to do with all their fucking social programs which you want to put in place here, Christina.

Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,haaaaa!!!!!!!!!

Oh....I have to catch my breath......whew......

That is the dumbest comment ever.

No, it is because Reagan and the Bushes borrowed money like crazy by lowering taxes and increasing spending, and then Phil Gramm deregulated the financial services industry that led to the $516 TRILLION DOLLAR derivative bubble that NO ONE in the press ever talks about directly. Warren Buffet hit it right on the head....

MarketWatch.com Story

Um .... um ... um ...

... damn, sounding like Obama today.

You seriously can't honestly ignore Clinton and all the others who have done more spending while lowering taxes .... can you?

 

[elvis]

That has nothing to do with universal healthcare. Nice try, though.

And who's economy is crashing now? Who's auto companies went down because the couldn't pay for the crushing cost of for profit healthcare? And who has twice the useable land as Europe and still can't get their act together? And who spends TWICE AS MUCH PER CAPITA on healthcare as the rest of the developed world?

it has to do with all their fucking social programs which you want to put in place here, Christina.

Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,haaaaa!!!!!!!!!

Oh....I have to catch my breath......whew......

That is the dumbest comment ever.

No, it is because Reagan and the Bushes borrowed money like crazy by lowering taxes and increasing spending, and then Phil Gramm deregulated the financial services industry that led to the $516 TRILLION DOLLAR derivative bubble that NO ONE in the press ever talks about directly. Warren Buffet hit it right on the head....

MarketWatch.com Story

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You think this shit is free? your boyking hasn't pulled out of Iraq, yet, asshole. But fuck, let's just keep spending money we don't have. Oh and the derivative bubble, happened under Clinton. OH that's right, Chrissy Lewinsky is going to leave that part out. Glass Steagall was repealed by CLINTON, you dumbfuck.

 

[Chris]

it has to do with all their fucking social programs which you want to put in place here, Christina.

Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,haaaaa!!!!!!!!!

Oh....I have to catch my breath......whew......

That is the dumbest comment ever.

No, it is because Reagan and the Bushes borrowed money like crazy by lowering taxes and increasing spending, and then Phil Gramm deregulated the financial services industry that led to the $516 TRILLION DOLLAR derivative bubble that NO ONE in the press ever talks about directly. Warren Buffet hit it right on the head....

MarketWatch.com Story

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You think this shit is free? your boyking hasn't pulled out of Iraq, yet, asshole. But fuck, let's just keep spending money we don't have. Oh and the derivative bubble, happened under Clinton. OH that's right, Chrissy Lewinsky is going to leave that part out. Glass Steagall was repealed by CLINTON, you dumbfuck.

The $11 trillion dollar National Debt is peanuts compared to the $516 TRILLION DOLLAR derivative bubble. That is why the economy almost collapsed in the fall. And yes, Clinton signed the bill, but it was Phil Gramm who snuck the amendment into the spending bill on the day before Christmas recess in 1999.

And again, the curses just make you look silly.

 

[elvis]

Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,haaaaa!!!!!!!!!

Oh....I have to catch my breath......whew......

That is the dumbest comment ever.

No, it is because Reagan and the Bushes borrowed money like crazy by lowering taxes and increasing spending, and then Phil Gramm deregulated the financial services industry that led to the $516 TRILLION DOLLAR derivative bubble that NO ONE in the press ever talks about directly. Warren Buffet hit it right on the head....

MarketWatch.com Story

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You think this shit is free? your boyking hasn't pulled out of Iraq, yet, asshole. But fuck, let's just keep spending money we don't have. Oh and the derivative bubble, happened under Clinton. OH that's right, Chrissy Lewinsky is going to leave that part out. Glass Steagall was repealed by CLINTON, you dumbfuck.

The $11 trillion dollar National Debt is peanuts compared to the $516 TRILLION DOLLAR derivative bubble. That is why the economy almost collapsed in the fall. And yes, Clinton signed the bill, but it was Phil Gramm who snuck the amendment into the spending bill on the day before Christmas recess in 1999.

And again, the curses just make you look silly.

Everyone on this board besides Old Roxy thinks you're a fucking douchebag. All you do is post the same shit over and over again saying how great Obama and Clinton are. Clinton was IN FAVOR of Glass Steagall being repealed and he repealed it. You know, the bill FDR signed that prevented lenders from putting mortgages into risky investments? But keep going, Lewinsky. Everyone is very impressed by you.

 

[KittenKoder]

Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,haaaaa!!!!!!!!!

Oh....I have to catch my breath......whew......

That is the dumbest comment ever.

No, it is because Reagan and the Bushes borrowed money like crazy by lowering taxes and increasing spending, and then Phil Gramm deregulated the financial services industry that led to the $516 TRILLION DOLLAR derivative bubble that NO ONE in the press ever talks about directly. Warren Buffet hit it right on the head....

MarketWatch.com Story

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You think this shit is free? your boyking hasn't pulled out of Iraq, yet, asshole. But fuck, let's just keep spending money we don't have. Oh and the derivative bubble, happened under Clinton. OH that's right, Chrissy Lewinsky is going to leave that part out. Glass Steagall was repealed by CLINTON, you dumbfuck.

The $11 trillion dollar National Debt is peanuts compared to the $516 TRILLION DOLLAR derivative bubble. That is why the economy almost collapsed in the fall. And yes, Clinton signed the bill, but it was Phil Gramm who snuck the amendment into the spending bill on the day before Christmas recess in 1999.

And again, the curses just make you look silly.

So then Clinton was just an idiot?

 

[Chris]

But Gramm's most cunning coup on behalf of his friends in the financial services industry—friends who gave him millions over his 24-year congressional career—came on December 15, 2000. It was an especially tense time in Washington. Only two days earlier, the Supreme Court had issued its decision on Bush v. Gore. President Bill Clinton and the Republican-controlled Congress were locked in a budget showdown. It was the perfect moment for a wily senator to game the system. As Congress and the White House were hurriedly hammering out a $384-billion omnibus spending bill, Gramm slipped in a 262-page measure called the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. Written with the help of financial industry lobbyists and cosponsored by Senator Richard Lugar (R-Ind.), the chairman of the agriculture committee, the measure had been considered dead—even by Gramm. Few lawmakers had either the opportunity or inclination to read the version of the bill Gramm inserted. "Nobody in either chamber had any knowledge of what was going on or what was in it," says a congressional aide familiar with the bill's history.

Foreclosure Phil | Mother Jones

 

[Chris]

But the Enron loophole was small potatoes compared to the devastation that unregulated swaps would unleash. Credit default swaps are essentially insurance policies covering the losses on securities in the event of a default. Financial institutions buy them to protect themselves if an investment they hold goes south. It's like bookies trading bets, with banks and hedge funds gambling on whether an investment (say, a pile of subprime mortgages bundled into a security) will succeed or fail. Because of the swap-related provisions of Gramm's bill—which were supported by Fed chairman Alan Greenspan and Treasury secretary Larry Summers—a $62 trillion market (nearly four times the size of the entire US stock market) remained utterly unregulated, meaning no one made sure the banks and hedge funds had the assets to cover the losses they guaranteed.

In essence, Wall Street's biggest players (which, thanks to Gramm's earlier banking deregulation efforts, now incorporated everything from your checking account to your pension fund) ran a secret casino. "Tens of trillions of dollars of transactions were done in the dark," says University of San Diego law professor Frank Partnoy, an expert on financial markets and derivatives. "No one had a picture of where the risks were flowing." Betting on the risk of any given transaction became more important—and more lucrative—than the transactions themselves, Partnoy notes: "So there was more betting on the riskiest subprime mortgages than there were actual mortgages." Banks and hedge funds, notes Michael Greenberger, who directed the cftc's division of trading and markets in the late 1990s, "were betting the subprimes would pay off and they would not need the capital to support their bets."

These unregulated swaps have been at "the heart of the subprime meltdown," says Greenberger. "I happen to think Gramm did not know what he was doing. I don't think a member in Congress had read the 262-page bill or had thought of the cataclysm it would cause." In 1998, Greenberger's division at the cftc proposed applying regulations to the burgeoning derivatives market. But, he says, "all hell broke loose. The lobbyists for major commercial banks and investment banks and hedge funds went wild. They all wanted to be trading without the government looking over their shoulder."

Foreclosure Phil | Mother Jones

 

[elvis]

wow. mother jones. I'm convinced now. Why don't you just quote Huffington post while you're at it. mother jones plays the role of Lewinsky almost as well as you do, christina.

 

[Chris]

Mythbusting: Universal Health Care in other countries (Japan, with costs!) | Guaranteed Healthcare

I don't think I even spend 15 minutes a month on managing employee health insurance and I don't know of anyone who has ever gone to the doctor in Japan afraid they can't afford it. I have never heard of anyone going bankrupt as a result of a medical emergency.

Japan pays less per capita (approx. 40% less) than America and still manages to cover everyone. Oh, and drug prices are lower, too. That'll have to wait for another post though.

I hope this information was useful. I'm a huge fan of Univeral Health Care and like the Japanese system's transparency and ease-of-use. Americans deserve this sort of health care. It's good enough for McCain and the rest of our Congresspeople, after all. I believe Americans - and American business - would love it.