Reid Changing Filibuster Rules

[Statistikhengst]

Senate Rule XXII, Paragraph 2- If that question is decided in the affirmative by three-fifths of the Senators duly chosen and sworn—except on a measure or motion to amend the Senate rules, in which case the necessary affirmative vote shall be two-thirds of the Senators present and voting—then said measure, motion, or other matter pending before the Senate, or the unfinished business, shall be the unfinished business to the exclusion of all other business until disposed of.

Political gain? what gain is that?

what you (or I ) sppt. matters not. our opinions don't matter, thats why we have law and rules so opinions made on the spur of the moment don't...............opinions vary like the wind and change as often. I am sorry if this is inconvenient....."melting"

Post the entire sections, please.

And we sure see McConnell quoting this? Just stop it.[/QUOTE]Nah. McConnell is too busy backbiting Conservatives....McConnell needs to go.

McConnell is facing a stiff primary challenge from Tea Party candidate Matt Bevin.

I did a bio on this guy on another forum. He has an interesting resume and looks very "senatorial".

DEMS had better hope the McConnell survives the primary challenge. If he does, he really could lose in November. But if Bevin wins, then this seat remains firmly in GOP hands. McConnell was elected first in 1984, 30 years ago, and rode in on the Reagan re-election wave.

 

[Geaux4it]

Post the entire sections, please.

And we sure see McConnell quoting this? Just stop it.[/QUOTE]Nah. McConnell is too busy backbiting Conservatives....McConnell needs to go.

McConnell is facing a stiff primary challenge from Tea Party candidate Matt Bevin.

I did a bio on this guy on another forum. He has an intesting resume and looks very "senatorial".

DEMS had better hope the McConnell survives the primary challenge. If he does, he really could lose in November. But if Bevin wins, then this seat remains firmly in GOP hands. McConnell was elected first in 1984, 30 years ago, and rode in on the Reagan re-election wave.

Washington can't be 'fixed' until we clean up our own house. Then we can start to root out the old school new Democrats like McCain and McConnell. They are part of the problem and not at all part of a solution

-Geaux

 

[Statistikhengst]

Washington can't be 'fixed' until we clean up our own house. Then we can start to root out the old school new Democrats like McCain and McConnell. They are part of the problem and not at all part of a solution

-Geaux

I respect your opinion entirely, and in no facetious way at all, but do you think that your party can grow if it continues this purification process? That is an honest question, not intended to bait or inflame, but to really know what you think about this.

Look at some of the Tea Party candidates that got the Senatorial nominations in 2010 and 2012 and essentially blew the GOP's chances of taking the Senate. Is purification working, or not?

 

[The Rabbi]

Washington can't be 'fixed' until we clean up our own house. Then we can start to root out the old school new Democrats like McCain and McConnell. They are part of the problem and not at all part of a solution

-Geaux

I respect your opinion entirely, and in no facetious way at all, but do you think that your party can grow if it continues this purification process? That is an honest question, not intended to bait or inflame, but to really know what you think about this.

Look at some of the Tea Party candidates that got the Senatorial nominations in 2010 and 2012 and essentially blew the GOP's chances of taking the Senate. Is purification working, or not?

How has capitulation worked out for us?

 

[bendog]

Washington can't be 'fixed' until we clean up our own house. Then we can start to root out the old school new Democrats like McCain and McConnell. They are part of the problem and not at all part of a solution

-Geaux

I respect your opinion entirely, and in no facetious way at all, but do you think that your party can grow if it continues this purification process? That is an honest question, not intended to bait or inflame, but to really know what you think about this.

Look at some of the Tea Party candidates that got the Senatorial nominations in 2010 and 2012 and essentially blew the GOP's chances of taking the Senate. Is purification working, or not?

I think the gop will be saved this time around by having TPM primarying in states that are pretty much totally red. A conservative dem might have a shot against a RW wingnut in Tenn. But in the rest of these states a mickey mouse tpm large animal vet would prolly win in a landslide against a well funded moderate dem with experience.

MAP: Incumbent Republicans Face Almost All Of The Primary Challenges

Reid's fillibuster gammit will come back to haunt him. While it's true that even normally rational goper senators, like McCain, were using the fillibuster for unprecidented blockage of nominees, that doesn't mean he'd abandon his concern over the nooclur option when the gop gains the majority. And I think Obamacare will accomplish that.

 

[paulitician]

We are not a Democracy. We are a Republic. Our Founding Fathers did not support Mob-Rule. The Filibuster is an important tool used to protect the minority. And that's what our Nation is all about. It's about protecting the minority. It's not about protecting the majority. The 51% majority cannot be allowed to oppress and silence the minority. Because that's Mob-Rule. That's why our Founding Fathers founded a Republic, as opposed to a Democracy. Harry Reid is committing a heinous Un-American act in trying to eliminate the Filibuster. Shame on him.

 

[Kosh]

The far left only wants to get their way they could care less about the process.

 

[Amelia]

Taking a moment out from my ire against lying, cheating Democrats to spare a little ire for the people who thought it was a good idea to nominate Sharron Angle in 2010. They could have stopped the evil which is Harry Reid but they blew the chance.

Now back to my regularly scheduled ire against Harry Reid and every person who supports him instead of standing up for the democratic principles he has been violating for years and the voters he lied to.

 

[paulitician]

The far left only wants to get their way they could care less about the process.

Absolute Power corrupts Absolutely. Our Nation was founded on the principle of protecting the minority. The Filibuster is an important tool used to insure that protection. The Democrats and Harry Reid really should re-think what they're doing. It's not what our Nation is about.

 

[bendog]

We are not a Democracy. We are a Republic. Our Founding Fathers did not support Mob-Rule. The Filibuster is an important tool used to protect the minority. And that's what our Nation is all about. It's about protecting the minority. It's not about protecting the majority. The 51% majority cannot be allowed to oppress and silence the minority. Because that's Mob-Rule. That's why our Founding Fathers founded a Republic, as opposed to a Democracy. Harry Reid is committing a heinous Un-American act in trying to eliminate the Filibuster. Shame on him.

but using the fillibuster to simply not allow any judicial appointments to the DC circuit was unprecidented. A president has a constitutional duty, and a right won by election, to have qualified nominees confirmed. I would agree the dems went too far with Bork, because if reagan really wanted a justice who did not believe in a right of privacy, that was his option, and the proper response would be to make that a campaign issue against him.

Nevertheless, I think the gop will take the senate now with obamanocare, and it will bite the dems in the butt.

 

[paulitician]

We are not a Democracy. We are a Republic. Our Founding Fathers did not support Mob-Rule. The Filibuster is an important tool used to protect the minority. And that's what our Nation is all about. It's about protecting the minority. It's not about protecting the majority. The 51% majority cannot be allowed to oppress and silence the minority. Because that's Mob-Rule. That's why our Founding Fathers founded a Republic, as opposed to a Democracy. Harry Reid is committing a heinous Un-American act in trying to eliminate the Filibuster. Shame on him.

but using the fillibuster to simply not allow any judicial appointments to the DC circuit was unprecidented. A president has a constitutional duty, and a right won by election, to have qualified nominees confirmed. I would agree the dems went too far with Bork, because if reagan really wanted a justice who did not believe in a right of privacy, that was his option, and the proper response would be to make that a campaign issue against him.

Nevertheless, I think the gop will take the senate now with obamanocare, and it will bite the dems in the butt.

It's not about partisan Politics. It's about the founding principle of protecting the minority. Our Founding Fathers set the Nation up in a fashion that insured minority protection. The 51% majority cannot oppress and silence the minority. Our Founding Fathers were well-aware of the likelihood the 51% would attempt to oppress. That's why they chose a Republic over a pure Democracy. They knew that Mob-Rule is a natural human inclination. The Democrats are wrong to try and get rid of the Filibuster. It's Un-American.

 

[ShawnChris13]

Both parties have set up their own mob rule by oppressing the voices of the other parties in presidential debates. The majority of the populace is uninformed about any solutions raised that could solve the problems debated for the past 50 years.

The stranglehold on news media held by the parties of power is it's own form of mob rule. If Americans were properly informed of legislation such as the NDAA they would riot en masse and overthrow these unconstitutional laws.

 

[Kosh]

Both parties have set up their own mob rule by oppressing the voices of the other parties in presidential debates. The majority of the populace is uninformed about any solutions raised that could solve the problems debated for the past 50 years.

The stranglehold on news media held by the parties of power is it's own form of mob rule. If Americans were properly informed of legislation such as the NDAA they would riot en masse and overthrow these unconstitutional laws.

The stranglehold of the media is due to far left rule.

Show were the MSM has been just as critical of Obama as they were with the previous president.

 

[Contumacious]

[but using the fillibuster to simply not allow any judicial appointments to the DC circuit was unprecidented.

In order to prevent centralized tyranny the Founders wanted the president to nominate and the Senate to consent.

However the Senate was supposed to represent the states , but the Unconstitutional 17th Amendment has reduced that chamber to another House of Representatives.

So while the States remain powerless to influence legislation the filibuster rule ought to stay in place.

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[bendog]

We are not a Democracy. We are a Republic. Our Founding Fathers did not support Mob-Rule. The Filibuster is an important tool used to protect the minority. And that's what our Nation is all about. It's about protecting the minority. It's not about protecting the majority. The 51% majority cannot be allowed to oppress and silence the minority. Because that's Mob-Rule. That's why our Founding Fathers founded a Republic, as opposed to a Democracy. Harry Reid is committing a heinous Un-American act in trying to eliminate the Filibuster. Shame on him.

but using the fillibuster to simply not allow any judicial appointments to the DC circuit was unprecidented. A president has a constitutional duty, and a right won by election, to have qualified nominees confirmed. I would agree the dems went too far with Bork, because if reagan really wanted a justice who did not believe in a right of privacy, that was his option, and the proper response would be to make that a campaign issue against him.

Nevertheless, I think the gop will take the senate now with obamanocare, and it will bite the dems in the butt.

It's not about partisan Politics. It's about the founding principle of protecting the minority. Our Founding Fathers set the Nation up in a fashion that insured minority protection. The 51% majority cannot oppress and silence the minority. Our Founding Fathers were well-aware of the likelihood the 51% would attempt to oppress. That's why they chose a Republic over a pure Democracy. They knew that Mob-Rule is a natural human inclination. The Democrats are wrong to try and get rid of the Filibuster. It's Un-American.

Allowing a minority to refuse to confirm ANY nominations has NOTHING to do with protecting the rights of the minority, but rather has to do with abusing power to usurp the majority party's constitutional right to govern.

 

[hunarcy]

It's not like Democrats are the only ones to blame here. Republicans are every bit as guilty of brinksmanship and bending/breaking the rules. Both parties have overstayed their welcome and must be replaced with a modern interpretation of politics.

When Republicans had a chance to exercise the nuclear option, they instead came to an understanding with the minority party (made a deal) and didn't exercise it. Reid got a deal with McConnell and then ignored the rules of the Senate and did away with it anyway.

It's not the Republicans' fault.

Wrong. Reid said do it if the three DC nominees were blocked. The GOP blocked them. Instead of the three DC judges, he (the President) can now appoint 93. Dumb asses.

As I said, it's your lie. Tell it however you want.

 

[hunarcy]

Pretty much the same way his clean CR deal with the Boehner worked out...the GOP went back on their word.

It's your lie. Tell it however you want.

The Boehner admitted he agreed to a clean CR. Was he lying?

I certainly can't compete when I'm stuck with the truth and you can type whatever crap you please. But, when you can prove Boehner is in the Senate, try again.

 

[bendog]

When Republicans had a chance to exercise the nuclear option, they instead came to an understanding with the minority party (made a deal) and didn't exercise it. Reid got a deal with McConnell and then ignored the rules of the Senate and did away with it anyway.

It's not the Republicans' fault.

Wrong. Reid said do it if the three DC nominees were blocked. The GOP blocked them. Instead of the three DC judges, he (the President) can now appoint 93. Dumb asses.

As I said, it's your lie. Tell it however you want.

There's no lie. The dems NEVER told the gop they'd refuse any nominee, no matter who it was, for any judicial seat. The gop changed the rules.

 

[paulitician]

but using the fillibuster to simply not allow any judicial appointments to the DC circuit was unprecidented. A president has a constitutional duty, and a right won by election, to have qualified nominees confirmed. I would agree the dems went too far with Bork, because if reagan really wanted a justice who did not believe in a right of privacy, that was his option, and the proper response would be to make that a campaign issue against him.

Nevertheless, I think the gop will take the senate now with obamanocare, and it will bite the dems in the butt.

It's not about partisan Politics. It's about the founding principle of protecting the minority. Our Founding Fathers set the Nation up in a fashion that insured minority protection. The 51% majority cannot oppress and silence the minority. Our Founding Fathers were well-aware of the likelihood the 51% would attempt to oppress. That's why they chose a Republic over a pure Democracy. They knew that Mob-Rule is a natural human inclination. The Democrats are wrong to try and get rid of the Filibuster. It's Un-American.

Allowing a minority to refuse to confirm ANY nominations has NOTHING to do with protecting the rights of the minority, but rather has to do with abusing power to usurp the majority party's constitutional right to govern.

The Majority doesn't need protection. The minority does. That's why our Founding Fathers set things up the way they did. The Filibuster is not "abusing power." Because the minority is not in power. It's a tool used to insure its protection. It's a vital founding principle

 

[bendog]

It's not about partisan Politics. It's about the founding principle of protecting the minority. Our Founding Fathers set the Nation up in a fashion that insured minority protection. The 51% majority cannot oppress and silence the minority. Our Founding Fathers were well-aware of the likelihood the 51% would attempt to oppress. That's why they chose a Republic over a pure Democracy. They knew that Mob-Rule is a natural human inclination. The Democrats are wrong to try and get rid of the Filibuster. It's Un-American.

Allowing a minority to refuse to confirm ANY nominations has NOTHING to do with protecting the rights of the minority, but rather has to do with abusing power to usurp the majority party's constitutional right to govern.

The Majority doesn't need protection. The minority does. That's why our Founding Fathers set things up the way they did. The Filibuster is not "abusing power." Because the minority is not in power. It's a tool used to insure its protection. It's a vital founding principle

Bullshit. The filiibuster was never about requiring 60 votes (or more) to fill a open judicial post regardless of who the nominee was. That's an abuse of power. The fillibuster is all about power, but it granted power to the minority, but the minority like the majority may choose to abuse their power.