Regarding government run healthcare, it's really quite simple.

[elvis]

so move to one of those places, asshole.

They won't let us....ours is the only country in the world that takes in immigrants to fight for jobs against our own people.

actually if you move to France and have health problem they will treat you. Shit, you don't even have to move to Cuba and they will treat you.

France's taxrate is about 40 percent.

 

[elvis]

information too.

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OVERHAULING HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM TOPS AGENDA AT ANNUAL MEETING OF CANADA'S
DOCTORS

By Jennifer Graham 3 days ago:


SASKATOON- The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it.

Dr. Anne Doig says patients are getting less than optimal care and she adds that physicians from across the country - who will gather in Saskatoon on Sunday for their annual meeting - recognize that changes must be made.

"We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Doing said in an interview with The Canadian Press.

"We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out, we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands."

The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said there's a critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and France.

His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."

In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private health-care delivery within the public system.

He has also said the Canadian system could be restructured to focus on patients if hospitals and other health-care institutions received funding based on the patients they treat, instead of an annual, lump-sum budget. This "activity-based funding" would be an incentive to provide more efficient care, he has said.

Doig says she doesn't know what a proposed "blueprint" toward patient-centred care might look like when the meeting wraps up Wednesday. She'd like to emerge with clear directions about where the association should focus efforts to direct change over the next few years. She also wants to see short-term, medium-term and long-term goals laid out.

"A short-term achievable goal would be to accelerate the process of getting electronic medical records into physicians' offices," she said. "That's one I think ought to be a priority and ought to be achievable."

A long-term goal would be getting health systems "talking to each other," so information can be quickly shared to help patients.

Doig, who has had a full-time family practice in Saskatoon for 30 years, acknowledges that when physicians have talked about changing the health-care system in the past, they've been accused of wanting an American-style structure. She insists that's not the case.

"It's not about choosing between an American system or a Canadian system," said Doig. "The whole thing is about looking at what other people do."

"That's called looking at the evidence, looking at how care is delivered and how care is paid for all around us (and) then saying 'Well, OK, that's good information. How do we make all of that work in the Canadian context? What do the Canadian people want?' "

Doig says there are some "very good things" about Canada's health-care system, but she points out that many people have stories about times when things didn't go well for them or their family.

"(Canadians) have to understand that the system that we have right now - if it keeps on going without change - is not sustainable," said Doig.

"They have to look at the evidence that's being presented and will be presented at (the meeting) and realize what Canada's doctors are trying to tell you, that you can get better care than what you're getting and we all have to participate in the discussion around how do we do that and of course how do we pay for it."

Copyright © 2009 The Canadian Press. All rights reserved.
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Hmmmmm and Obama modeled his health care after this plan.

The meeting is a whacko outfit of doctors who want to make more money by telling lies and scaring people. They are being generally ignored by folks who know the real deal.

yet to the anti reformers and insurance folk that is supposedly the "norm" all over not the minority issue...to me its all propaganda and fear and I choose to believe the TRUE facts and those are that it works in other countries and source after source after source that is neither right or left slanted will tell it that way.

We should all give "life-long-dem" credit for changing the avatar to reflect who (s)he really is. Now all we have to do is get him/her to change the handle to life_long_commie.

 

[Luissa]

They won't let us....ours is the only country in the world that takes in immigrants to fight for jobs against our own people.

actually if you move to France and have health problem they will treat you. Shit, you don't even have to move to Cuba and they will treat you.

France will not let you legally move there...not unless you already have money and/or a doctorate.

why would you move there without money? You can also seek political aslyum in some parts. They will also treat you before asking if you can pay.

 

[Luissa]

They won't let us....ours is the only country in the world that takes in immigrants to fight for jobs against our own people.

actually if you move to France and have health problem they will treat you. Shit, you don't even have to move to Cuba and they will treat you.

France's taxrate is about 40 percent.

I rather pay 40% then leave college $35,000 in debt and have high medical costs.
And by the way France's system is more like what we are trying to achieve with more money coming from the private side.

 

[Luissa]

they also pay 3,000 per person for medical care while we pay 6,000 and are rated number one.

 

[elvis]

actually if you move to France and have health problem they will treat you. Shit, you don't even have to move to Cuba and they will treat you.

France's taxrate is about 40 percent.

I rather pay 40% then leave college $35,000 in debt and have high medical costs.
And by the way France's system is more like what we are trying to achieve with more money coming from the private side.

that will cost you a lot more money over time.

 

[Luissa]

Most workers will pay about that much on each dollar of income when all taxes -- federal and state income taxes, sales taxes, taxes for benefit programs, etc. -- are considered.

As a consequence, a 30-year-old couple earning only $20,000 a year has a marginal tax rate of 42.5%, while a 45-year-old couple earning $500,000 pays at 43.2%. There are some exceptions: A 30-year-old couple earning $50,000 a year, for instance, pays 24.4%, and a 60-year-old couple making $150,000 a year faces a tax rate of 47.7%.

The average marginal tax rate on incomes between $20,000 and $500,000 is 40.3%, the median tax rate is 41.8%, and the standard deviation of all of those rates is 5.3 percentage points. Basically, most of us pay about 40%, plus or minus 5.3 percentage points
Your real tax rate: 40% - MSN Money

wow! we pay about 40%, wouldn't you rather get more for what you are already paying.

 

[elvis]

so move to one of those places, asshole.

They won't let us....ours is the only country in the world that takes in immigrants to fight for jobs against our own people.

actually if you move to France and have health problem they will treat you. Shit, you don't even have to move to Cuba and they will treat you.

I hope you're not getting this information from michael moore about cuba. my cousin, who makes you sound like Ann Coulter, said "sicko"s numbers were very misleading.

 

[elvis]

they also pay 3,000 per person for medical care while we pay 6,000 and are rated number one.

How does WHO determine those rankings?

 

[Luissa]

They won't let us....ours is the only country in the world that takes in immigrants to fight for jobs against our own people.

actually if you move to France and have health problem they will treat you. Shit, you don't even have to move to Cuba and they will treat you.

I hope you're not getting this information from michael moore about cuba. my cousin, who makes you sound like Ann Coulter, said "sicko"s numbers were very misleading.

I understand it was misleading but it wasn't all false. And maybe you guys should look at what you are spreading. I also thought Cuba was suppose to be our enemy? I don't like Moore could have faked the 9/11 workers recieving medical care in Cuba.
Do you realize that they should just passed as bill in New York where they can finally get their medical care covered if they didn't reach the 2003 deadline.


"All 50 states have a combined corporate tax rate higher than fifth-ranked France"

The Tax Foundation - U.S. States Lead the World in High Corporate Taxes

 

[elvis]

actually if you move to France and have health problem they will treat you. Shit, you don't even have to move to Cuba and they will treat you.

I hope you're not getting this information from michael moore about cuba. my cousin, who makes you sound like Ann Coulter, said "sicko"s numbers were very misleading.

I understand it was misleading but it wasn't all false. And maybe you guys should look at what you are spreading. I also thought Cuba was suppose to be our enemy? I don't like Moore could have faked the 9/11 workers recieving medical care in Cuba.
Do you realize that they should just passed as bill in New York where they can finally get their medical care covered if they didn't reach the 2003 deadline.


"All 50 states have a combined corporate tax rate higher than fifth-ranked France"

The Tax Foundation - U.S. States Lead the World in High Corporate Taxes

corporate tax, sure. what about income tax? and if you want to see those rates go higher, implement single-payer.

 

[elvis]

actually if you move to France and have health problem they will treat you. Shit, you don't even have to move to Cuba and they will treat you.

I hope you're not getting this information from michael moore about cuba. my cousin, who makes you sound like Ann Coulter, said "sicko"s numbers were very misleading.

I understand it was misleading but it wasn't all false. And maybe you guys should look at what you are spreading. I also thought Cuba was suppose to be our enemy? I don't like Moore could have faked the 9/11 workers recieving medical care in Cuba.
Do you realize that they should just passed as bill in New York where they can finally get their medical care covered if they didn't reach the 2003 deadline.


"All 50 states have a combined corporate tax rate higher than fifth-ranked France"

The Tax Foundation - U.S. States Lead the World in High Corporate Taxes

and I don't consider Cuba the enemy, although Obama obviously still does.

 

[Luissa]

this is article where a canadian company is paying for a US citizen to go to Cuba to recieve medical care.
Choice Medical Services Signs Agreement with Cubanacan Turismo Y Salud, Cuba’s Health Tourism Leader - Choice Sends U.S. Patient to Cuba, to Arrive Early Sept. - PR.com

 

[elvis]

this is article where a canadian company is paying for a US citizen to go to Cuba to recieve medical care.
Choice Medical Services Signs Agreement with Cubanacan Turismo Y Salud, Cuba’s Health Tourism Leader - Choice Sends U.S. Patient to Cuba, to Arrive Early Sept. - PR.com

and yet anyone who has money comes to the US? Why? because they have the best care.

 

[Luissa]

this is article where a canadian company is paying for a US citizen to go to Cuba to recieve medical care.
Choice Medical Services Signs Agreement with Cubanacan Turismo Y Salud, Cuba’s Health Tourism Leader - Choice Sends U.S. Patient to Cuba, to Arrive Early Sept. - PR.com

and yet anyone who has money comes to the US? Why? because they have the best care.

what about the people who have no money?

 

[elvis]

this is article where a canadian company is paying for a US citizen to go to Cuba to recieve medical care.
Choice Medical Services Signs Agreement with Cubanacan Turismo Y Salud, Cuba’s Health Tourism Leader - Choice Sends U.S. Patient to Cuba, to Arrive Early Sept. - PR.com

and yet anyone who has money comes to the US? Why? because they have the best care.

what about the people who have no money?

Medicaid.

 

[Luissa]

and yet anyone who has money comes to the US? Why? because they have the best care.

what about the people who have no money?

Medicaid.

that really works out when you are younger and don't qualify. I worked 50 hours a week on average at this place and was waiting for the sign up period for medical which they only did once a year. I ended up getting MRSA before I could sign up, my hospital bills were about $5,000 dollars. Lucky for me I found out I was pregnant a week after I got out of the hospital and was able to go on state medical and since they established I was pregnant when I got MRSA they paid the medical bills. If I had not been pregnant I would have been screwed. People shouldn't go brankrupt from medical bills which is exactly what happened to my brother and wife even though he had medical insurance. My sister in law had cancer and they didn't cover all of their medical cost. Do you think people in France go bankrupt because they came down with cancer?

 

[keee keee]

If Obama care is so wonderfull why will not any of the democrat congressman senators and families use it? Why did they put in an amendment to opt out of this system?

 

[Wicked Jester]

If Obama care is so wonderfull why will not any of the democrat congressman senators and families use it? Why did they put in an amendment to opt out of this system?

Great point!

 

[Luissa]

If Obama care is so wonderfull why will not any of the democrat congressman senators and families use it? Why did they put in an amendment to opt out of this system?

why don't you read alittle more into it. The point is people where their employer provides medical can opt out of it or the government pays what their private insurance doesn't pay. Kind of like the french system where private insurance pays 65% of your medical care and the government pays the rest in most cases. There is not a single payer.
Unless you want to loose your medical care also quit your bitching.