Refusing Medicaid Expansion Cuts Mental Health Services

[Obiwan]

Obama wants to cut Medicaid to 10 states (cutting off those services, among others).

You seem to have linked to the wrong site, because it doesn't say anything of the sort. Want to try again?

Use that Internet thingy Al Gore invented and click on the other links I posted. I gave you links for everything.

If you can't handle that, see your therapist.

 

[Arianrhod]

click on the other links I posted.

You linked to one site.

Yeah, I can see the problem here.

 

[Obiwan]

click on the other links I posted.

You linked to one site.

Yeah, I can see the problem here.

I can too...

You're too dumb to look at my other posts, where I posted that other information WHEN YOU ASKED FOR IT!!!

 

[Arianrhod]

click on the other links I posted.

You linked to one site.

Yeah, I can see the problem here.

I can too...

You're too dumb to look at my other posts, where I posted that other information WHEN YOU ASKED FOR IT!!!

I'm looking at what you posted in this thread. If you're too lazy to post your info in this thread, that's not my problem.

Why are you people so reluctant to present supporting info for your precious beliefs?

 

[Tresha91203]

I live in one of those states (Louisiana). There are mental health facilities readily available for emergency issues like 72-hour holds. Beyond that, inpatient is scarce, a week or two wait for a bed, and that bed may be 2 hours drive. When hubby was on the alcohol roller coaster, I became very familiar with the system. The bigger issue is getting them to voluntarily commit ... and stay ... near impossible. Talk therapy is available at the clinic for $20 a pop, outpatient svcs about $50/wk. I live in a city, though not large ... no clue about rural areas.

The Louisiana government is notoriously corrupt. They still haven't decided where to rebuild the New Orleans Charity Hospital 10 years after Katrina. I'm sure that money is gone. I doubt an influx of federal ACA dollars would do more thann line more pockets.

P.s. I don't think the PPs in Louisiana perform abortions.

 

[Darkwind]

So essentially y'all are saying the mentally ill should just die.

Given the way some of you post, you might want to be careful about that...

No, that is YOU assigning intent to others because you believe that ONLY medicare is capable of treating the mentally ill.....This is a favored tactic of the lemming progressives who follow agenda driven reports....

Name a person IN ANY STATE (take note guys, like a computer program, you have to provide explicit instructions or they crash) that has said that they want the mentally ill to die.

 

[Arianrhod]

you believe that ONLY medicare is capable of treating the mentally ill.....

Please point to where in my post I mentioned Medicare. (Actually, for anyone under 65 it would be MedicAID, but don't let the facts confuse you.)

No? Can't do it? Didn't think so. Next?

I live in one of those states (Louisiana). There are mental health facilities readily available for emergency issues like 72-hour holds. Beyond that, inpatient is scarce, a week or two wait for a bed, and that bed may be 2 hours drive. When hubby was on the alcohol roller coaster, I became very familiar with the system. The bigger issue is getting them to voluntarily commit ... and stay ... near impossible. Talk therapy is available at the clinic for $20 a pop, outpatient svcs about $50/wk. I live in a city, though not large ... no clue about rural areas.

The Louisiana government is notoriously corrupt. They still haven't decided where to rebuild the New Orleans Charity Hospital 10 years after Katrina. I'm sure that money is gone. I doubt an influx of federal ACA dollars would do more thann line more pockets.

P.s. I don't think the PPs in Louisiana perform abortions.

Finally someone with RL experience addressing the topic - thank you!

 

[Darkwind]

you believe that ONLY medicare is capable of treating the mentally ill.....

Please point to where in my post I mentioned Medicare. (Actually, for anyone under 65 it would be MedicAID, but don't let the facts confuse you.)

No? Can't do it? Didn't think so. Next?

I live in one of those states (Louisiana). There are mental health facilities readily available for emergency issues like 72-hour holds. Beyond that, inpatient is scarce, a week or two wait for a bed, and that bed may be 2 hours drive. When hubby was on the alcohol roller coaster, I became very familiar with the system. The bigger issue is getting them to voluntarily commit ... and stay ... near impossible. Talk therapy is available at the clinic for $20 a pop, outpatient svcs about $50/wk. I live in a city, though not large ... no clue about rural areas.

The Louisiana government is notoriously corrupt. They still haven't decided where to rebuild the New Orleans Charity Hospital 10 years after Katrina. I'm sure that money is gone. I doubt an influx of federal ACA dollars would do more thann line more pockets.

P.s. I don't think the PPs in Louisiana perform abortions.

Finally someone with RL experience addressing the topic - thank you!

Then why are you whining that states are going to harm the mentally ill if Medicare/Medicaid (They are two sides of the same program, but you knew that, right?) is not expanded?

Do try to keep up with your own thought processes..


BTW...you have that list of people who have said they just want the mentally ill to die? From ANY State?

 

[Arianrhod]

Medicare/Medicaid (They are two sides of the same program, but you knew that, right?)

No, they aren't.

 

[Arianrhod]

Show of hands, please. Who here knows the difference between Medicare and Medicaid? I need to be offline for most of the evening, so take your time puzzling it out, mkay, thnx.

 

[koshergrl]

Are you okay with withholding treatment from women because a state won't fund abortion?

How does that sit with the left's proud history of pretending to care about women?

Start a thread about it.

Interesting how no one here wants to talk about mental illness.

Afraid fingers might be pointed in your direction? Hmmm....

I addressed mental illness. You were on a smug "I'm so clever" diatribe and missed it. But let's pretend you aren't a know-nothing loon....you think it's okay to pull mental health funds (what there is) to punish crazy ppl for the failure of dems to function within a previously set budget? What did the crazy ppl do to you? We have fewer now anyway, since homosexuality (and soon pedophilia) is no longer a mental illness.

 

[guno]

Now, I realize some of you consider facts to have a "librul bias," and of course Medscape, which we normal folks consider a valid source is, to some of you hysterics a "librul site full of DEMONIC FACTS" (how's that 6,000-year-old Earth working out for ya?), so please don't click on the link. We don't want you to have a coronary and die, particularly since most of you are proving "Obama is not the boss of me!" by refusing to get health insurance but, for the grownups, there's this:

Refusing Medicaid Expansion Cuts Mental Health Services

Oh, posted in its entirety for those who don't have access to the Medscape site:

Refusing Medicaid Expansion Cuts Mental Health Services

Fran Lowry|August 24, 2015

UPDATED August 25, 2015 // Opting out of Medicaid expansion under the Affordable Care Act will have dire consequences for the provision of mental health services in those states choosing to do so, a new study concludes.

A cost analysis of states' decisions to opt out of Medicaid shows that these states will receive less revenue and have a reduced capacity to serve people with mental illness, according to the study, published online August 17 in Psychiatric Services.

"On-site behavioral health services are needed in federally qualified health centers," lead author Emily Jones, PhD, from the Department of Health Policy and Management, George Washington University, Washington, DC, told Medscape Medical News.

"However, financial constraints might limit the ability of health centers to provide on-site behavioral health services, particularly in states opting out of Medicaid expansion. Our study indicates that opting out would have indirect impacts on safety net capacity, which would mean less access to mental health and substance use specialist staffing in federally qualified health centers," Dr Jones said.
Dr Emily Jones

She and her group examined how state decisions not to expand Medicaid have affected the utilization of behavioral health services in health centers, a key source of medical and behavioral health services in underserved communities because they serve all patients regardless of ability to pay.

"We examined the link between revenues and behavioral health services, since on-site behavioral health services are not required in health centers; only primary care services are required. This makes mental and behavioral health services vulnerable to cuts if there is not enough funding," Dr Jones said.

Using 2012 Uniform Data System data and the projected health center insurance case mix in 2020, the researchers estimated the amount of additional revenue that could accrue to health centers if all 50 states were to expand Medicaid by 2020.

Using the estimated percentage of total revenues supporting the provision of specialty behavioral treatment services, the researchers also estimated the number of encounters with behavioral health specialists that might be possible in 2020 if all states expand Medicaid by that date.

Their calculations showed that if all 50 states expanded Medicaid by 2020, an estimated 70,500 additional encounters with behavioral health specialty staff could occur in federally qualified health centers across the nation in that year.

Further, health centers would accrue nearly $230 million in additional revenue during 2020 because fewer of their patients would be uninsured. An estimated $11.3 million would likely be used for mental health services, and $1.6 million might be used to provide substance use disorder services.

"These results are important since they illustrate some of the potential indirect impacts of state decisions not to expand Medicaid," Dr Jones said.

"In addition to the direct effects ― most notably, higher uninsurance rates ― state decisions on Medicaid expansion can impact capacity in the safety net. Of course, this study provides a very specific example of potential indirect effects. There are many other indirect effects of state decisions not to expand Medicaid," she said.

Medicaid Expansion Crucial to Mental Health

Medscape Medical News invited Arshya Vahabzadeh, MD, from Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School, Boston, to comment on this article.

"Medicaid expansion is crucial to the mental health of our country," Dr Vahabzadeh, who was not part of the study, said.

"Not expanding Medicaid prevents low-income people from getting mental health care and leads to many hospitals and communities having to deliver uncompensated care or dealing with the fallout of people who can't get care until their mental health has significantly deteriorated," he said.
Dr Arshya Vahabzadeh

"Even people who have insurance will end up paying more to compensate for the effects. More than four million people fall into this coverage gap; the majority of these live in the south, and almost half will be younger people, age 19 to 34," Dr Vahabzadeh said.

"This is an issue that transcends politics. Sixty percent of states have decided to expand Medicaid, including many states with Republican governors or Republican-controlled legislatures. For every $1 a state invests in Medicaid expansion, $13.41 in federal funds will flow into the state, according to the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and the Urban Institute," he said.

Meera Sheffrin, MD, from the University of California, San Francisco, School of Medicine and the San Francisco Veterans Affairs Medical Center, added: "These are very interesting findings that have direct policy implications.
Dr Meera Sheffrin

"Doctors cannot fully care for patients without addressing their mental health needs," she said. "This requires dedicated behavioral health services and dedicated funding, and this study shows Medicaid expansion can be one way to help address this critical need."

Dr Jones, Dr Vahabzadeh, and Dr Sheffrin report no relevant financial relationships.

Psychiatr Serv. Published online August 17, 2015. Abstract

Medscape Medical News © 2015 WebMD, LLC

Cite this article: Refusing Medicaid Expansion Cuts Mental Health Services. Medscape. Aug 24, 2015.

So, basically, those of you whose governors/legislatures have decided that states' rights are more important that people's rights have essentially screwed you. You might want to think about that during the next election cycle.

Unless, of course, "Obama is not the boss of me!" is more important to you than your health or that of your family.

If Obama came out and said , it's not a good idea to shoot yourself in the head the teabaggers would say; he can't tell me what to do, and then shoot themselves in the head to show him!! real low IQ people

 

[Arianrhod]

I addressed mental illness.

But clearly with no understanding that the people refusing the Medicaid expansion are Republican governors and Republican state legislatures.

So once you've grasped that, come back and let's talk about it.

 

[koshergrl]

I addressed mental illness.

But clearly with no understanding that the people refusing the Medicaid expansion are Republican governors and Republican state legislatures.

So once you've grasped that, come back and let's talk about it.

Yes, we don't want to spend more. So you remove the funding that does exist from the mentally ill. So you punish the vulnerable and dependent when you don't get what you want. Extortion.

 

[Arianrhod]

I addressed mental illness.

But clearly with no understanding that the people refusing the Medicaid expansion are Republican governors and Republican state legislatures.

So once you've grasped that, come back and let's talk about it.

Yes, we don't want to spend more. So you remove the funding that does exist from the mentally ill. So you punish the vulnerable and dependent when you don't get what you want. Extortion.

Republicans? Yep. That's what they do. Especially Teabaggers. I don't understand why you people worship them.

 

[koshergrl]

So you acknowledge that lefties are extortionists. We agree. That's ok, the churches will care for the mentally ill.

 

[koshergrl]

Plz explain how taking existing funds away is the same as denying MORE funds? It's just an excuse for progs to practice negative eugenics.

 

[koshergrl]

I addressed mental illness.

But clearly with no understanding that the people refusing the Medicaid expansion are Republican governors and Republican state legislatures.

So once you've grasped that, come back and let's talk about it.

Yes, we don't want to spend more. So you remove the funding that does exist from the mentally ill. So you punish the vulnerable and dependent when you don't get what you want. Extortion.

Republicans? Yep. That's what they do. Especially Teabaggers. I don't understand why you people worship them.

You should focus on the subject. Or start another thread.

 

[HenryBHough]

Clearly any expansion of government expenditure on mental health care would decimate The Democrat Party!

 

[Tresha91203]

What are these states not providing? They rejected an expansion, not the already agreed to terms. My choices of plans on the ACA suck, but I have access to parish clinics and mental health services, state hospital(s), and a variety of Catholic hospitals, networks and providers. My state did not participate in the expansion. We will see how it plays out. If it ends up being necessary, we can always expand when the voters want that. For now, it looks like things are covered well enough and we can wait and see a bit.