Recreational Marijuana Measure To Be Put To Voters...

[g5000]

So tell me which is easier:

1) Throwing some seeds in some dirt and waiting how many weeks for it to grow.

2) Going to the pharmacy and waiting half an hour for a prescription.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

If they did it nationally they could eliminate 70% of the drug cartels profits and balance the budget with the taxes it would generate. Additionally, it would allow the agricultural exploitation of hemp in this country, and open up new avenues in pharmaceuticals, as well.

But they'd rather turn normal folks into criminals, supporting our record as the most imprisoned people on the planet, and continue allowing the cartels to make BILLIONS of dollars that can be used for the usurpation of the governments south of the border.

It also doesn't hurt that the CIA can move TONS of drugs surreptitiously and use THEIR profits for their black budget, illegal operations.

I'm all for people being allowed to do whatever they want - unless I have to pick up their tab. Like it or not, there is a vast amount of evidence of the very real damage that drugs - even MJ - do to individuals. I am NOT going to pay for some other fucking idiots' stupid life choices.

Again MJ does less damage physically than the legal recreational drugs alcohol and cigarettes.

.....And, a lot-less-damage than FOOD does some addicts.

 

[g5000]

If heroin or meth were legal would you go out and buy some?

I think many people would, hell yes.

Those 'many people' are ALREADY buying it, they're just financing violent cartels in the process instead of financing treatment for dependency.

No. That is not who I am talking about.

I think many more are not buying it now because it is illegal. Those same people would if it were legal.

Those would be people above and beyond the current users. I believe consumption, and addiction, would greatly increase if hard drugs were legalized.

 

[NoNukes]

I'm all for people being allowed to do whatever they want - unless I have to pick up their tab. Like it or not, there is a vast amount of evidence of the very real damage that drugs - even MJ - do to individuals. I am NOT going to pay for some other fucking idiots' stupid life choices.

Marijuana is less intoxicating, less addictive, and creates less dependency than alcohol, which is what I use as a benchmark since alcohol is legal.

Therefore, there is no rational reason to outlaw marijuana. Other drugs, yes, because they are more addictive and cause greater dependency.

I suspect, but cannot prove, the only reason pot is still illegal is because there is no breathalyzer for it.


What I find completely nonsensical is the idea of legalizing marijuana for medicinal purposes, but making the patient grown their own medicine. That is like making a diabetic raise their own sheep so they can harvest the insulin from them.

That's just stupid.

They tried to find a breathalyzer for it, but no one they tested drove worse on cannabis, and some people drove better.

 

[NoNukes]

If folks want to smoke MJ, and there are loads who do, I really could care less.

I am more worried about that open door.

Once you legalize one drug how long before someone is pushing for legalizing heroin, meth or any of the other drugs out there??

If heroin or meth were legal would you go out and buy some?

I think many people would, hell yes.

Would you go out and buy heroin and meth if they were legal? You are the only person that you can speak for.

 

[BlindBoo]

MJ is alot easier to process than insulin from sheep.

Really? I can just toss some seeds out in my backyard and I'm good to go?

Nope!!

In the interest of saving space, it's best to know the sex of the plant you're sticking-in-the-ground.​

ahhhhh, find your best female and take cuttings.......

 

[uptownlivin90]

If they did it nationally they could eliminate 70% of the drug cartels profits and balance the budget with the taxes it would generate. Additionally, it would allow the agricultural exploitation of hemp in this country, and open up new avenues in pharmaceuticals, as well.

But they'd rather turn normal folks into criminals, supporting our record as the most imprisoned people on the planet, and continue allowing the cartels to make BILLIONS of dollars that can be used for the usurpation of the governments south of the border.

It also doesn't hurt that the CIA can move TONS of drugs surreptitiously and use THEIR profits for their black budget, illegal operations.

I'm all for people being allowed to do whatever they want - unless I have to pick up their tab. Like it or not, there is a vast amount of evidence of the very real damage that drugs - even MJ - do to individuals. I am NOT going to pay for some other fucking idiots' stupid life choices.

Either way you're still paying for them. You're paying for an overreaching, unconsitutional, government-run "War on Drugs". You're paying to lock up thousands of people... feeding them, clothing them, and buying them porn. You'll pay much less if we take a more common sense approach to the problem and treat Marijuana like what it is, a drug. Nothing more, nothing less. We ALL should be free to make stupid mistakes, and free to face the consequences of those mistakes... personal responsability.

 

[Dr.Drock]

It's funny how you rarely see anyone defend the gov'ts policy when it comes to the Drug War, but when it comes to election time they have no problem re-electing those who keep this crime against americans going.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I'm all for people being allowed to do whatever they want - unless I have to pick up their tab. Like it or not, there is a vast amount of evidence of the very real damage that drugs - even MJ - do to individuals. I am NOT going to pay for some other fucking idiots' stupid life choices.

Marijuana is less intoxicating, less addictive, and creates less dependency than alcohol, which is what I use as a benchmark since alcohol is legal.

Therefore, there is no rational reason to outlaw marijuana. Other drugs, yes, because they are more addictive and cause greater dependency.

I suspect, but cannot prove, the only reason pot is still illegal is because there is no breathalyzer for it.

What I find completely nonsensical is the idea of legalizing marijuana for medicinal purposes, but making the patient grown their own medicine. That is like making a diabetic raise their own sheep so they can harvest the insulin from them.

That's just stupid.

Its on its way
Saliva Swab Tests Could Detect High Drivers | The Fix

"Arrests for drugged driving in NY have risen by 35% over the last decade, while more people in the US die from drug-related causes than traffic accidents each year."

I can't believe the Oxy-folks are anywhere-near the accident-rate of alcohol-related accidents......

......marijuana; LESS-so.

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[Mr. Shaman]

If heroin or meth were legal would you go out and buy some?

I think many people would, hell yes.

You're hanging with the wrong people!

No doubt......"conservatives".​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Can you imagine the TOURISM JOBS it would create?

My parents went to a small town in Colorado last year, it had 12 medical marijuana shops.. Yeah, it might help the economy.

The last I heard, there are 50 (in Boulder), and 2 in Louisville (the small town I lived in, right outside Boulder).​

 

[Katzndogz]

If they did it nationally they could eliminate 70% of the drug cartels profits and balance the budget with the taxes it would generate. Additionally, it would allow the agricultural exploitation of hemp in this country, and open up new avenues in pharmaceuticals, as well.

But they'd rather turn normal folks into criminals, supporting our record as the most imprisoned people on the planet, and continue allowing the cartels to make BILLIONS of dollars that can be used for the usurpation of the governments south of the border.

It also doesn't hurt that the CIA can move TONS of drugs surreptitiously and use THEIR profits for their black budget, illegal operations.

I'm all for people being allowed to do whatever they want - unless I have to pick up their tab. Like it or not, there is a vast amount of evidence of the very real damage that drugs - even MJ - do to individuals. I am NOT going to pay for some other fucking idiots' stupid life choices.

Either way you're still paying for them. You're paying for an overreaching, unconsitutional, government-run "War on Drugs". You're paying to lock up thousands of people... feeding them, clothing them, and buying them porn. You'll pay much less if we take a more common sense approach to the problem and treat Marijuana like what it is, a drug. Nothing more, nothing less. We ALL should be free to make stupid mistakes, and free to face the consequences of those mistakes... personal responsability.

Drug users are coddled and protected too much. They cost way more than they should if they just died young. Increase the number of drug related deaths, decrease the number of users.

The War on Drugs was a feeble attempt to protect non-users from users. Time to end that nonsense. Let people protect themselves from users. It won't take long before the prisons and hospitals are half empty.

 

[Dr.Drock]

I'm all for people being allowed to do whatever they want - unless I have to pick up their tab. Like it or not, there is a vast amount of evidence of the very real damage that drugs - even MJ - do to individuals. I am NOT going to pay for some other fucking idiots' stupid life choices.

Either way you're still paying for them. You're paying for an overreaching, unconsitutional, government-run "War on Drugs". You're paying to lock up thousands of people... feeding them, clothing them, and buying them porn. You'll pay much less if we take a more common sense approach to the problem and treat Marijuana like what it is, a drug. Nothing more, nothing less. We ALL should be free to make stupid mistakes, and free to face the consequences of those mistakes... personal responsability.

Drug users are coddled and protected too much. They cost way more than they should if they just died young. Increase the number of drug related deaths, decrease the number of users.

The War on Drugs was a feeble attempt to protect non-users from users. Time to end that nonsense. Let people protect themselves from users. It won't take long before the prisons and hospitals are half empty.

Domestic terrorism and murder in the streets, wonderful thing to encourage.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

So tell me which is easier:

1) Throwing some seeds in some dirt and waiting how many weeks for it to grow.

2) Going to the pharmacy and waiting half an hour for a prescription.

If you throw seeds out your window, you've got an entire growing-season, to wait; mid-May thru mid-October....with some huge plants.

Indoors, you could have two crops, per year; smaller-plants/better-use-of-space.​

 

[g5000]

If heroin or meth were legal would you go out and buy some?

I think many people would, hell yes.

Would you go out and buy heroin and meth if they were legal? You are the only person that you can speak for.

I no longer consume intoxicants. Not even legal ones. I don't even smoke cigarettes any more.

In my younger days, I consumed intoxicants on a regular basis. And I would most certainly have been out in the streets smoking a doobie if pot had been made legal. My dope consumption would have skyrocketed from zero to near infinity if it was legalized and the military allowed it.

I'd probably try coke as well. Meth, maybe. And the way a heroin trip is depicted in films, I would probably give it a whirl.

And I am surely not the only person who feels the same way and would react the same way.

You have to be an idiot to think this would not happen.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I think many people would, hell yes.

Those 'many people' are ALREADY buying it, they're just financing violent cartels in the process instead of financing treatment for dependency.

No. That is not who I am talking about.

I think many more are not buying it now because it is illegal. Those same people would if it were legal.

Those would be people above and beyond the current users. I believe consumption, and addiction, would greatly increase if hard drugs were legalized.

I'd say it's more-than-safe to say you have no idea what you're talking-about.

Your lack of insight/experience is pretty-damned-obvious.​

 

[Katzndogz]

Either way you're still paying for them. You're paying for an overreaching, unconsitutional, government-run "War on Drugs". You're paying to lock up thousands of people... feeding them, clothing them, and buying them porn. You'll pay much less if we take a more common sense approach to the problem and treat Marijuana like what it is, a drug. Nothing more, nothing less. We ALL should be free to make stupid mistakes, and free to face the consequences of those mistakes... personal responsability.

Drug users are coddled and protected too much. They cost way more than they should if they just died young. Increase the number of drug related deaths, decrease the number of users.

The War on Drugs was a feeble attempt to protect non-users from users. Time to end that nonsense. Let people protect themselves from users. It won't take long before the prisons and hospitals are half empty.

Domestic terrorism and murder in the streets, wonderful thing to encourage.

People have to be permitted to protect themselves. That goes without saying. We have plenty of murder in the streets as it is. Drug users die young. Many times as teen agers. Legalize the stuff and in a remarkably short time the problem will have mostly solved itself with just some peripheral law enforcement necessary.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Really? I can just toss some seeds out in my backyard and I'm good to go?

Nope!!

In the interest of saving space, it's best to know the sex of the plant you're sticking-in-the-ground.​

ahhhhh, find your best female and take cuttings.......

That'd be one way......but, you can also "sex' your plant, after the third-set of serrated-leaves.....after germinating (your seeds), and starting a new plant.

Knowledge of propagation is very handy, though!!​

 

[g5000]

I think it is incredibly naive to believe consumption would not rise if a drug were legalized. That is an expression of ignorance of human behavior, which is common among libertarians.

Until drunk driving punishments were made more harsh, there was a lot more drunk driving. That drunk driving declined with enforcement means there are people for whom the only thing stopping them from drunk driving is the law.

The law is a deterrent. People's behavior will change with the repeal of a law.

Believing that alcohol consumption figures for before and after the repeal of Prohibition is evidence that drug use won't rise is erroneous thinking because Prohibition was not enforced anywhere near the level drug prohibition is. Alcohol prohibition enforcement was a running joke.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

It's funny how you rarely see anyone defend the gov'ts policy when it comes to the Drug War, but when it comes to election time they have no problem re-electing those who keep this crime against americans going.

No shit.

Ya' gotta figure......we've probably got too-many-people who think God is looking over their shoulder, when they're in the voting-booth.