Reakity aint it a bitch

[RetiredGySgt]

Even if the US, Europe, Russia and Japan all went back to the dark ages it would not stop China and India from ramping up their production facilities and CO2 emitting factories and power Stations.

Further exactly how does one feed billions, heat billions and provide clothing and sustenance things for billions with out modern technology and power?

There is no real evidence that CO2 is causing a heat increase, and none that man is. Hell temps haven't gone up globally in 15 years.

But hey lets all commit suicide so the green retards can feel good.

 

[TheOldSchool]

The only solution if AGW happens to be real is for someone to invent something to affect the atmosphere. Regulation won't fix anything.

 

[Abraham3]

Even if the US, Europe, Russia and Japan all went back to the dark ages it would not stop China and India from ramping up their production facilities and CO2 emitting factories and power Stations.

That statement is nonsense. No one is trying to take anyone back to the dark ages. Wind generators, photovoltaics and nuclear power are not from the dark ages.

Further exactly how does one feed billions, heat billions and provide clothing and sustenance things for billions with out modern technology and power?

By continuing to provide clothing and sustenance for billions with even MORE modern technology and more advanced power. Where do you get the idea that it's not modern unless it belches CO2? P'raps we should just go back to fireplaces and steam locomotives.

There is no real evidence that CO2 is causing a heat increase

That is complete crap. You need to pay more attention who you're listening to. There is a shitload of evidence that that is exactly what is happening.

and none that man is.

I'm sorry Gunny but that is wrong again

Hell temps haven't gone up globally in 15 years.

Look at one of those temperature charts. Look at the period from 1941 to 1979. What happened? Temperatures went DOWN. They didn't just level off, they WENT DOWN. And they didn't rise for THIRTY-EIGHT F-ING YEARS. BUT THAT WASN'T THE END OF GLOBAL WARMING. Do you understand why? Listen now. The temperature of the world is controlled by a number of factors. The warming that CO2 and other greenhouse gases provide isn't very big - but it's just big enough that it keeps pushing temps up most of the time. But if two or more of the negative factors get together, they can overcome the warming from the greenhouse gases. That's what happened in 1941 and it's what's happening now. The current hiatus is WITHIN THE RANGE OF NATURAL VARIATION. It looks as if a few things have happened: we got some very large volcanic eruptions (Mt Pinatubo for one) which threw a butt-ton-load of sulfate aerosols into the atmosphere. They reflect sunlight back into space and cool the world off. You can see it in the temperature graphs. Second, for some reason (and it may well be simply the increased temperature of the world) there has been a big change in how the El Nino / La Nina cycle works. We seem to be stuck in a La Nina and the result of that has been a change in the way heat gets distributed in the ocean. The heat that had been building up in our atmosphere seems to now be building up in the deeper parts of the ocean. We don't know what's going to happen to that heat but what we do know is that the heating has not stopped.

But hey lets all commit suicide so the green retards can feel good.

Hey Gunny, that's not what anyone wants. Everyone's trying to make the world a better place. The folks that are telling you this back-to-the-stone-age crap and that greens want the population reduced... they're feeding you lies. Cruel and ridiculous lies. Lies that show they care more for their wallets than they do for your children. You're too smart for that. Don't buy into their bullshit.

You got kids? You got grandkids? Give some real serious thought to what sort of world you want them to grow old in. It's not as if we've been stupid. We'd been burning fossil fuels for over a hundred years before anyone figured out what it was doing to us... what it was GOING to do to us. But now we know what we've done wrong. The solution is not going to be easy; it's not going to be quick and it's not going to be cheap. That doesn't mean we can get away with skipping the whole thing. Didn't work that way in the service, did it.

And what's wrong with a world with less air pollution, less diesel stink, more clean air, more trees and flowers. Isn't that the sort of world you'd like to give your children's children's children? One better than the world your parents gave you...

 

[waltky]

There is no real evidence that CO2 is causing a heat increase

The problem isn't the heat generated...

... as it is the amount of O2 that is displaced...

... leaving not enough oxygen to sustain life...

... especially considering the amount of plant life...

... which converts CO2 into oxygen...

... that is killed due to deforestation.

 

[Abraham3]

I'm sorry, but it IS the heat. CO2 is not displacing any O2. It is consuming some, but since there's about 50,000 times as much O2 as CO2 in the atmosphere, I don't think we have a great deal to worry about on that front.

 

[RollingThunder]

Hell temps haven't gone up globally in 15 years.

Bullshit!!! You've been brainwashed and deluded by the fossil fuel industry's propaganda campaign. Global warming is still accelerating.

Global Warming Actually Still Accelerating - no "lull"

But hey lets all commit suicide...

If the world doesn't work together to limit carbon emissions, we will be committing suicide. Just so the greedy shitheads in the fossil fuel industry can squeeze the last drop of profits out of their production infrastructure and staked out coal, oil and gas deposits. We can do way better. Stop being such a patsy.

 

[Old Rocks]

China leads the US on climate-change action - The Nation

Last month, China rolled out its first of seven regional emissions trading schemes meant to pave the way for a national system by as early as 2015. These seven markets - including Beijing, Shanghai and Guangdong - will cover up to 700 million tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent, the combined emissions of over 200 million people. Even as a pilot programme, it will immediately become the world's second-largest emission trading scheme - and may soon be the largest if the European Union doesn't find a way to fix its own.

The US has no plans for a national emissions trading system, forcing states like California to go it alone.

This year, China has set a target of installing 49GW of solar, wind and hydroelectric power - a massive number. Spurring on its world-leading clean-tech industry, the government has repeatedly bumped up targets. China is now aiming for 35GW of installed solar and 140GW of installed wind capacity in the next two years.

What do those numbers mean? The US currently has 8.5GW of installed solar capacity and 60GW of wind, with no federally mandated national targets.

The Chinese Finance Ministry has expanded its national resources tax to include coal, after implementing similar requirements on oil and gas production two years ago. And just last week, Finance Minister Lou Jiwei confirmed a carbon tax is in the works.

A carbon tax in the US? Tough sell.

China is doing all that it can to become the leader in both installation and manufacture of clean technologies, knowing that postition will lead to economic domination in the coming decades. And our 'Conservatives' are doing all that they can to abet China's ambitions.

 

[Abraham3]

The only solution if AGW happens to be real is for someone to invent something to affect the atmosphere. Regulation won't fix anything.

That must be why the Clear Air Act was such a flop.

"Invent something to affect the atmosphere".... like the internal combustion engine?

 

[waltky]

Dat's right - trees gonna reach dey's limit convertin' CO2 to O2 an' den we won't have no air to breathe...

European forests near 'carbon saturation point'
18 August 2013 > European forests are showing signs of reaching a saturation point as carbon sinks, a study has suggested.

Since 2005, the amount of atmospheric CO2 absorbed by the continent's trees has been slowing, researchers reported. Writing in Nature Climate Change, they said this was a result of a declining volume of trees, deforestation and the impact of natural disturbances. Carbon sinks play a key role in the global carbon cycle and are promoted as a way to offset rising emissions. Writing in their paper, the scientists said the continent's forests had been recovering in recent times after centuries of stock decline and deforestation. The growth had also provided a "persistent carbon sink", which was projected to continue for decades.

However, the team's study observed three warnings that the carbon sink provided by Europe's tree stands was nearing a saturation point. "First, the stem volume increment rate (of individual trees) is decreasing and thus the sink is curbing after decades of increase," they wrote. "Second, land use is intensifying, thereby leading to deforestation and associated carbon losses. "Third, natural disturbances (eg wildfires) are increasing and, as a consequence, so are the emissions of CO2." Co-author Gert-Jan Nabuurs from Wageningen University and Research Centre, Netherlands, said: "All of this together means that the increase in the size of the sink is stopping; it is even declining a little. "We see this as the first signs of a saturating sink," he told BBC News.

Many of Europe's forests are reaching an age where growth, and carbon uptake, slows down

Sinking feeling

The carbon cycle is the process by which carbon - essential for life on the planet - is transferred between land (geosphere and terrestrial biosphere), sea (hydrosphere) and the atmosphere. Carbon sinks refers to the capacity of key components in the cycle - such as the soil, oceans, rock and fossil fuels - to store carbon, preventing it from being recycled, eg between the land and the atmosphere. Since the Industrial Revolution, human activity has modified the cycle as a result of burning fossil fuels and land-use change. Burning fossil fuels has resulted in vast amounts of carbon previously locked in the geosphere being released into the atmosphere. Land-use change - such as urbanisation and deforestation - has reduced the size of the biosphere, which removes carbon from the atmosphere through photosynthesis.

Dr Nabuurs explained that saturation referred to the point where the natural carbon sinks were unable to keep pace and absorb the additional atmospheric carbon being released by human activities. He said emissions had risen a lot over the past decade, primarily through the rise of emerging economies in countries such as China, India and Brazil. The researcher's conclusions appear to contradict the State of Europe's Forests report in 2011 that showed forest cover in Europe had continued to increase. The report said trees covered almost half of Europe's land area and absorbed about 10% of Europe's annual greenhouse gas emissions. But Dr Nabuurs said that the rate of afforestation was slowing, adding that a sizeable proportion of forests were mature stands of trees, which were mainly planted in the early part of the 20th Century or in the post-World War II period.

More BBC News - European forests near 'carbon saturation point'

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Reakity?

Did you reakky mean to say that?

Tell me it isn't for reak.