ranking US Presidents

Not including current presidents is a cop out. We know as much about them as anyone. "It's too early to tell," is just a line that the media uses to not have to put their guys in the spotlight for their b.s.

I disagree. Experience shows that Presidents are often ranked worst just after they leave office. Some distance is necessary to have a proper perspective. That's why I not only exclude currenty serving Presidents but also recent ex-Presidents.

B/C a lot of the people doing the rankings are f'ing morons. We know the facts. The facts aren't changing.
 
FDR should be dead last on that list.

I disagree. He made the US into the World Power that it is today, guided it through one of its greatest domestic crises, etc.

fdr was a murdering tyrant that 'needed' war to end the Depression.

I don't know where you get the murdering stuff from; but he did royally screw the country over and he did it while pretending he was a hero. Sound like someone we know today?
 

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