April 12th in America....

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    1. 1861 General P. G. T. Beauregard led the attack on Ft. Sumter. That would be today...Thursday.
    The fort’s commander was Major Robert Anderson, a former slave owner who stayed loyal to the USA. The fort fell in 34 hours. Civil War begins as Confederates fire on Fort Sumter....capturing it on Saturday. Sunday, Lincoln calls for 75,000 volunteers....
    Fort Sumter National Monument - Fort Sumter National Monument
    The nation lost over 600,000 in the Civil War.


    2. 1844 The Texas Annexation Treaty signed.
    Texas enters the union as a territory, not a state- therefore no additional pro-slavery senators. Texas had the right to retain slavery. The US assumed all Texas debt. No territorial boundaries were specified.
    Tyler presented the treaty to the senate on April 22, 1844, but it was rejected. With President-elect Polk's quiet support, Congress approved annexation on 28 February 1845. The vote in the Senate was 27 to 25. Tyler approved the Joint Resolution, which called for annexation of Texas to be concluded by the end of December 1845, on March 1. However, as this was done via a Joint Resolution of Congress, (the Constitution requires a two-thirds majority vote in the Senate to confirm a treaty)some scholars believe it is not legal under international law. This has led to questions about the Legal status of Texas.
    https://www.tsl.state.tx.us/exhibits/annexation/part4/page2.html

    Had not LaSalle explored the Mississippi River, and into Texas, the US would not have had credence in claiming Texas via the Louisiana Territory.



    3. 1945 A sea change in America: Roosevelt dies and Truman becomes president.
    At the time of his ascension to the presidency, Harry Truman didn't know about the atomic bomb.....Joseph Stalin did.
    Harry S. Truman - Hanford Site

    Had Truman not become Vice-President, Roosevelt's second V-P, Henry
    Wallace would have become the President of the United States....


    This Henry Wallace: “America’s main enemy was Churchill and the British Empire.” He insisted that peace would be assured “if the United States guaranteed Stalin control of Eastern Europe.” (Ronad Radosh, “Progressively Worse,” The New Republic, June 12, 2000)

    The great Senator Joseph McCarthy had accused Wallace of being a communist.
    Henry A. Wallace - An Authentic American Dreamer


    April was a monumental month in American history....

    April 12th was pivotal.
     
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    I'll have to wait to reply to this until tomorrow, as today is Wednesday, April 11.
     
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    Senator Joseph McCarthy. A drunk, two bit demigogue.

    Joseph McCarthy: Biography

    In August, 1954, a Senate committee was formed to investigate censuring McCarthy. On September27, the committee released a unanimous report calling McCarthy’s behavior as a committee chairman "inexcusable," "reprehensible," "vulgar and insulting." On December 2, 1954, the full Senate, by a vote of 67-22, passed a resolution condemning McCarthy for abusing his power as a senator. Though he remained in the Senate, McCarthy now had little power and was ignored by the Congress, the White House, and most of the media.

    The fellow represented the worst in our government.
     
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    Let’s see if I can give you the instruction for which you are crying out….


    1. "McCarthy’s behavior as a committee chairman "inexcusable," "reprehensible," "vulgar and insulting..."
    Folks usually begin with their strongest argument....let's take a look at yours:
    So you're critique is based on Senator McCarthy's 'behavior' lacking civility?

    Now, let's compare that to the behavior against which the brave Senator fought.
    First, he was correct:
    Senator Joe McCarthy confronted government officials concealing communist involvement and excessively lax security with regards to Communists in sensitive U.S. Government posts. Sure enough, some 80 of the names he provided to the the Tydings committee resulted in resignations or movement of security risks.

    a. Arthur Herman, author of "Joseph McCarthy: Reexamining the Life and Legacy of America's Most Hated Senator," says that the accuracy of McCarthy's charges "was no longer a matter of debate," that they are "now accepted as fact."

    2. As stated in the OP, communist spies infiltrated the Roosevelt administration, and Joseph Stalin knew about the Manhattan Project before Harry Truman did.

    'So what' you say?

    Well, let's see what the Joseph Stalin administration, the one that American communists wished to install in Washington, D.C., perpetrated on their own people:

    "The most prominent elements of Stalin's Purges, for most researchers, were the intensive campaigns waged within key Soviet institutions and sectors like the Communist Party, the Army, the NKVD (secret police), and scientists and engineers. In December 1934, the popular Leningrad party leader, Sergei Kirov, was assassinated, allegedly on Stalin's orders. This provided the spark for the escalating series of purges that Stalin launched almost immediately, under emergency "security" legislation "stat[ing] that in cases involving people accused of terrorist acts, investing authorities were to speed up their work, judicial authorities were not to allow appeals for clemency or other delays in which the sentence was death, and the NKVD was to execute those sentenced to death immediately." Purges and Hysteria in the Soviet Union, to 1934


    3. Medial summary: You actually gripe that Senator McCarthy was 'rude' to Stalin's supporters in America?????

    Coulter wrote: "When anti-communism took its toll in Hollywood, the blacklisting took the “deadly” form of not having ones name in the credits, or living in Paris, or not being able to sell a teleplay for as much as three years. This for folks who had no problem with Ukrainian farmers and their children eating their shoes."

    4. Rocks writes : [After the Senate resolution] "McCarthy now had little power and was ignored by the Congress, the White House, and most of the media."

    Oh, my....they didn't like him??
    Today we realize he saved America.

    And the media didn't care for a Republican who exposed corruption???
    Shocking!


    5. Now, compare McCarthy's treatment to the hagiography of an even more 'rude' and 'uncivil' "vulgar and insulting" individual who saddled the United States with huge debt, and authored a class system based on skin color....

    a. Johnson was famous for being crude and unrefined at times. It's said that he would summon underlings to his office and talk to them while sitting on the John. …he would use his physical size to intimidate smaller men. Presidential History Geeks - LBJ: Crude But Effective

    b. Lyndon Baines Johnson was a monster. Like many of his kind, he was driven by childhood demons, in this case the humiliation and insecurity suffered when his father lost the family ranch in Texas. He was corrupt, cruel, callous, crude, a vicious user of women, a bully of men and a shameless thief of elections. He sucked up to his superiors and kicked down on his inferiors. A favoured device to embarrass subordinates was obliging them to take his orders while he defecated. He liked to pee in the washbasin in his office in front of female secretaries and then wave his member about. Inordinately proud of his sexual apparatus,
    Observer review: The Years of Lyndon Johnson by Robert A Caro | Books | The Observer


    See the dif, my boy....just be a Democrat progressive and the [political] world is yours!


    Learn a lot today, Rocks?
     
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    To oppose Communist involvement in the U.S. government, other than by campaigning in elections, and especially by trying to impose criminal penalties against them, is to violate the Bill of Rights, which guarantees rights to free speech, free peaceful assembly, and a right to petition the government to redress of grievances, and so by implication to membership in any party one pleases.

    Being a spy for a foreign government is and was, of course, a crime. Some Communists were indeed Soviet agents (although the majority of Soviet agents throughout the history of that country were simply bought, not believers), but even in those cases, their crime was espionage, not Communism. By turning belief in an ideology and membership in a political party -- or even in a different organization altogether that the witch-hunters claimed was "affiliated" or "associated" with a Communist Party -- into a crime, anti-Communism was un-American.

    Joseph McCarthy was, therefore, un-American, against everything this country stands for in the way of liberty.

    In addition to which, he was also a drunken buffoon, and not one of the people he tried to implicate as a threat to national security was ever proven to be one.
     
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    It's the Prince of Prate!

    ....The Earl of Error!

    Seems we didn't have to go far to find yet another subject about which you are clueless....

    Senator Joe McCarthy.

    And, true to form, you have the uncanny skill of sinking your own boat.

    1. "To oppose Communist involvement in the U.S. government, other than by campaigning in elections, and especially by trying to impose criminal penalties against them, is to violate the Bill of Rights,...."
    I'm always amused by how rapidly you expose the fact that you don't understand the material about which you are posting.
    What was opposed was the spy network that worked for the Soviets, but in the United States government.
    Clear?

    2. "Being a spy for a foreign government is and was, of course, a crime."
    There your are...shredding your own post.
    And you show how little you know about McCarthy here:
    "Joseph McCarthy was, therefore, un-American, against everything this country stands for in the way of liberty."

    a. For your edification:
    "The major player in the Alger Hiss saga was fellow Communist, Whitaker Chambers. In his book, Witness, Chambers explains is disillusionment as follows. In 1938, he determined not only to break with the Communist Party, but to inform on the Party when he could. The reason was that he was informed that Stalin was making efforts to align with Hitler, in 1939, and “from any human point of view, the pact was evil.” As Hitler marched into Poland, Chambers arranged a private meeting with Adolf Berle, President Roosevelt’s assistant Sec’y of State. Chambers detailed the Communist espionage network, naming at least two dozen Soviet spies in Roosevelt’s administration, including Alger Hiss. Berle reported this to Roosevelt, who laughed, and told Berle to go f--- himself.
    Arthur Herman, "Joseph McCarthy: Reexaming the Life and Legacy of America’s Most Hated Senator," p. 60

    b. "The Constitution is not a suicide pact" is a phrase in American political and legal discourse. The phrase expresses the belief that constitutional restrictions on governmental power must be balanced against the need for survival of the state and its people. "
    The Constitution is not a suicide pact - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    3. Senator McCarthy, in informing American citizens of the threat of communist infiltration, personified the above.

    McCarthy’s primary goal was not to expose individual Communists, he was simply demanding of the liberal establishment: Why were they sheltering traitors? It was the exact same point Eisenhower was making when he directed Attorney General Brownell to inform the public that President Truman had wittingly place a Soviet spy in a key position at the IMF… For decades, people who should not have been allowed anywhere a government job were strolling into sensitive positions with the US government. For the most part, accusations were not aimed at sending the accused to a gulag, only to private practice.


    4. The deciphered Venona messages document the CPUSA’s integral role in the Soviet Union’s massive espionage against the US. Haynes and Klehr have written several books on the subject:
    "Venona: Decoding Soviet Espionage in America"
    "In Denial: Historians, Communism, and Espionage"
    "The Soviet World of American Communism"

    Also pertinent is "The Sword And The Shield: The Mitrokhin Archive And The Secret History Of The Kgb"


    I'll bet you've read none of the above...
    ...true, Earl?
     

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