Question for Jewish Americans

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    Do you realize that (American) Evangelical Christians are the biggest supporters of Israel in the world today? Do you also realize that many of the special interest groups comprising the Democratic Party will abandon you as soon as your financial support is no longer needed? This is not intended as a flame; I am just perplexed by this seeming paradox. Where am I going wrong?
     
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    For starters, most American Jews recognize that the most vocal 'support' for Israel comes from EC's who have no fondness for Jews or Judaism, but merely wish to 'insure' that their 'End Times' scenario can take place.....

    For another - just like any other subset of Americans, we are individuals with individual perspectives and motivations. Contrary to certain highly-promoted ideas we do not consciously nore deliberately vote as a bloc. Nor, by the way, do we have some kind of 'hivemind' .......

    As a third: since we represent something less than 2% of the electorate and it doesn't seem we're any richer than anyone else with similar education levels - I am really doubtful of the interest in 'Jewish money' for political contributions, or its overall 'effectiveness'.
     
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    Factually this is incorrect in several places.

    1. The most vocal support for Israel comes from Jews, not Christians.

    2. Jews do have a diversity of views and opinions, but there are patterns. They are strongly left-wing and Democratic. That's just a fact. They love the liberal view on everything BUT Israel.

    3. Jews claim to be 6 percent of the U.S. population, not 2. At that, they wield outsized influence in politics, education, law, culture and media. And yes, it is "bipartisan" to an extent -- Sheldon Adelson funds the Republicans, and George Soros funds the Democrats. But both get what they want and twist things in a Jewish direction.
     
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    If the Dems can lose Anthony Weiner's seat in Brooklyn to a Republican --- anything is possible..... In fact --- perhaps that's a sign of a coming apocalypse??????
     
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    Most Jews are anti-religious so are fearful of evangelicals. Most Jews remember the union days and civil rights movement so cleave to the party said to represent them. Most Jews are clueless. I can't help that.
     
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    How is opposition to Israel liberal? Until at least the Six Day War those on the left were generally more supportive of Israel.
     
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    Even though most Jews in the United States are fairly prosperous, they have a collective memory of how it feels to be poor and persecuted. This contributes to their support for the Democrats.
     
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    Whoa, my friend!

    Isn't interesting how the number of Jews involved in the Holocaust always goes UP

    But the number of Jews in America when someone's defending what a tiny beleagured group they are always goes DOWN

    Hmmmmmm.....
     
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    Juden numbers seem to have and elastic quality depending on the situation. :cool:
     

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