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Most Bible scholars agree that Jesus was not born on December 25. In fact it is generally understood that this date was chosen by church leaders sometime around 400 A.D. so they could celebrate the birth of Christ and still appease the non-believers by coexisting with some of the traditions of the pagan Saturnalia festival. That spirit of appeasement continues today as the words “Seasons Greetings” have replaced “Merry Christmas” in advertisements, verbal greetings, and even our Christmas cards.
Serious biblical scholars have taken clues from Luke 2:8 in which we learn that shepherds were watching their flocks at night. From that verse they have determined that the Christ child was probably born in the spring, the time of year when lambs are born, a most critical time when shepherds closely guarded the sheep to protect the newborn lambs from predators. It is highly unlikely that shepherds would keep their sheep on the hillsides in wintertime.
Actually they believe he was conceived in July and born in March. Because it is paganism, you claim to be a Christian and the book you follow speaks against the very thing you are doing. It's kind of like Easter where you say he died on Friday and rose Sunday morning, now the book that you claim to follow says he was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights, so if he died late on Friday how in the hell did he arise early Sunday morning?Why are you making a big deal out of this? Everyone knows that his exact birthdate is not known. They made a guess based on the belief that he was conceived in March.
Bottom line is, who cares? December 25th was chosen, and that's the date his birth is celebrated.
If you do not search you will never find .
It's not some random opinion . It's there as a simple narrative and facts .
Jesus had relationship problems with his close disciple John Mark and also Simon Magus .This led to group difficulties with both Peter and Paul later deriding the latter to keep the Romans " at bay".
Initially Jesus was also very much influenced by cousin John the Baptist and in the wider picture open to the close opinions of the more extreme elements around him -- Zealots in modern terms .
You need to examine Palestine Essenes in detail because there were were four different groups ------ Levi , Judah , Zebelun and Napthali .
Jesus belonged to the second group where the the David Princes line were "the Princes of Judah" .
It's all there in great detail but almost like a closely guarded secret -- and most of all by so called Christians . Albeit largely unwitting .
Actually they believe he was conceived in July and born in March. Because it is paganism, you claim to be a Christian and the book you follow speaks against the very thing you are doing. It's kind of like Easter where you say he died on Friday and rose Sunday morning, now the book that you claim to follow says he was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights, so if he died late on Friday how in the hell did he arise early Sunday morning?
One of Israel’s biggest supporters in America had this to say
There are many things that Christian supporters of Israel(very small number) are unaware of such as the relentless Jewish extremism in Israel against Christians. As shown via video evidence all throughout this message board by numerous posters.
Actually they believe he was conceived in July and born in March. Because it is paganism, you claim to be a Christian and the book you follow speaks against the very thing you are doing. It's kind of like Easter where you say he died on Friday and rose Sunday morning, now the book that you claim to follow says he was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights, so if he died late on Friday how in the hell did he arise early Sunday morning?
Wrong----in fact----read the BOOK AGAIN----the idiotic story that Jesus was brought before the Sanhedrin is right there in the BOOK----the Sanhedrin FOUND HIM NOT GUILTY------the explanation is that the SANHEDRIN HAD NO RIGHT TO EXECUTE---that is also a bullshit lie---the Romans didn't care what jew killed what jew. Now for reality---Jesus was crucified for SEDITION AGANST ROME---which was FACT---his foray into theBen Shapiro's claim that Jesus was put to death due to his threat to Roman leadership is nonsense and disgusting. The Romans found no crime committed by Jesus. Rather it was the Jew's religious establishment that was threatened. The release of Barabbas is further proof of Shapiro's contemptuous claim.
2cents just "DISAGREES" with noWrong----in fact----read the BOOK AGAIN----the idiotic story that Jesus was brought before the Sanhedrin is right there in the BOOK----the Sanhedrin FOUND HIM NOT GUILTY------the explanation is that the SANHEDRIN HAD NO RIGHT TO EXECUTE---that is also a bullshit lie---the Romans didn't care what jew killed what jew. Now for reality---Jesus was crucified for SEDITION AGANST ROME---which was FACT---his foray into the
Temple Courtyard and overturning of the money changers tables was an act of SEDITION AGAINST Rome---Now try to GUESS who were the money changers and WHO HATED THEM-----
bet the sunday school teacher in your church basement DIDN'T tell you. Surada won't ----she has some idiotic notion that Jerusalem jews did not like Galilean jews
One of Israel’s biggest supporters in America had this to say
There are many things that Christian supporters of Israel(very small number) are unaware of such as the relentless Jewish extremism in Israel against Christians. As shown via video evidence all throughout this message board by numerous posters.
Nice tuck-n-roll.Jesus built my hotrod.
Jesus was not a "common criminal"---So FranklinRoosevelt_FTW no proof of Shapiro calling Jesus a common criminal eh?
read the BOOK AGAIN
Wrong----in fact----read the BOOK AGAIN----the idiotic story that Jesus was brought before the Sanhedrin is right there in the BOOK----the Sanhedrin FOUND HIM NOT GUILTY------the explanation is that the SANHEDRIN HAD NO RIGHT TO EXECUTE---that is also a bullshit lie---the Romans didn't care what jew killed what jew. Now for reality---Jesus was crucified for SEDITION AGANST ROME---which was FACT---his foray into the
Temple Courtyard and overturning of the money changers tables was an act of SEDITION AGAINST Rome---Now try to GUESS who were the money changers and WHO HATED THEM-----
bet the sunday school teacher in your church basement DIDN'T tell you. Surada won't ----she has some idiotic notion that Jerusalem jews did not like Galilean jews
no one knows who all those JOHNSWhich book of the Gospels are you referring to, Matthew? Mark? Luke? John?
Pontius Pilate: "“I find no case against him." John 18:38
very Turbulent. Much like pre-revolutionary AMERICA (north) whenThere were several Jewish factions fighting each other and/or the Romans. Herodians, Sadducees, Pharisees, Zealots, Sicarri and Essenes. Some sided with Rome, others didn't. Herod's granddaughter was the mistress of Titus. Scandal!
Turbulent times I think.
no one knows who all those JOHNS
were to which "gospels' are attributed
as presented in CONSTANTINE's
bible-----EMPEROR OF ROME.
Historically, (the real stuff) Pontius
Pilate lost his job----even Rome
considered his obsessive crucifying
of Pharisees----a bit over the top.
Then---a few hundred years later,
Constantine used christianity as a
unifying force in his bloody
imperialism. Some christian scholars
deny that he was a "real" christian.
One issue is known---he HATED
JEWS His legal code formed the
basis for the INQUISITION
very Turbulent. Much like pre-revolutionary AMERICA (north) when
the PATRIOTS and LOYALISTS were killing each other. They did not need
an ENGLISH DECREE to kill----and the
various factions in Judea did not need
either a decree from the Sanhedrin OR
the Roman governor----in the case of
Jesus ----there was a ROMAN DECREE-
from the Roman governor----CRUCIFIXION for the crime of SEDITION.
The cover up is as silly as
modern islamo nazi propaganda----
"DA JOOOS FORCED THE ROMAN
GOVERNOR" yeah---RIGHT!!!!
no---not particularly. I have extensive personal experience withI have difficulty with your rants.
Muslims had nothing do with it.
You hate Christians and Muslims, Sunday school teachers and Episcopalians in particular????
no one knows who all those JOHNS
were to which "gospels' are attributed
None… it became the norm to celebrate Christs birth at this time of year near the Pagan festivals when everyone was home.Where is the evidence that Jesus was born on December 25?
no---not particularly. I have extensive personal experience with
both christians---protestants of various
sects, catholics--some sunday school experience, and Muslims. I talk about that which I KNOW. Have I ever discussed chinese culture? ----
The SIOUX of the great PLAINS?
In movies, John Wayne HATED the SIOUX..,,,,,?
