Question for GOP: Does cutting education mean you've given up on jobs?

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Public education is bad but the hardcore repubs and liberals like to believe that if we only destroy the thing we have and replace it with something imaginary everything will be hunky dorey. That's great if that is a dating strategy but sucks when trying to run a nation.

Destroy taxes and this awesome thing called a fair tax will be awesome sauce!
Destroy the DOE and replace it with state run education and if states can't afford education then you have the freedom to be uneducated...awesome sauce!

 

[Full-Auto]

Yea, because those schools out in Alabama backwoods are so good.

Given that companies are relocating from the Urban liberal meccas of the Rust Belt to the "backwoods" says they are.

Look, I know you hate southern folks and Christians and Red State people, but the fact is, the Red States are growing and the Blue States are dying on the vine, largely because of their huge, bloated governments and teacher's unions who think that graduating ritalin zombies who can't read their diplomas is a job well done.

Hilarious. Red states are completely funded by Blue states. Everyone knows that. Bible college can't compete with real education.

I'm amazed at the extent the right wing sips their own swill.

Is this supposed to mean something? Given America is purple. The counter to that argument is the democrats of those states are giant dead beats and must be supported. I am sure they would be happy to send the feds packing.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Apparently Rdean thinks no one will be educated if the Federal Government gets out of education and leaves it to the states like they are constitutionally mandated to do. So apparently all this spending on education isnt working so well in his case.

Since it is obvious that education takes more than money, perhaps we should try a different approach than throwing money at it.

Even more amusing, rdean seems to think the federal government was educating people at all before this, and yet he himself stands as direct proof that no such thing happened.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Cutting education means conservatives see it as just another ‘commodity’ to be acquired by those who can afford it. According to conservative dogma, public education is a ‘disincentive’ to hard work and sacrifice. And for those who fail to succeed, their children will go without an education, seen by the right as an acceptable consequence of poverty.

Apparently Rdean thinks no one will be educated if the Federal Government gets out of education and leaves it to the states like they are constitutionally mandated to do.

Please cite where in the Constitution the states are alone mandated to address the issue of public education.

That would be the Tenth Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Since education is not a power delegated to the United States by the Constitution, that would mean it's reserved to the States or the people.

Thanks for asking, but if you'd just read the sucker for yourself, you wouldn't need to ask any more.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Educated voters listen to Fox News, Rush, Hannity and Beck and say....what a bunch of nut jobs

It is not in Republicans best interests to educate the population

Then why are all the WORST schools in the country, the failed education systems, in places run by Democrats?

Democrats who put their own kids in private schools.

Why do Democrats oppose merit pay for teachers, school choice, charter schools, or any other suggestion that might encourage excellence or improve the system.

The problem with public education is that it stopped being about the kids a long time ago. It became a very bad system where unions and bureaucrats just saw it as some ill-gained loot to be divided up... and results don't matter.

You started your post with a completely untrue statement. The American Legislative Exchange Council ranks US Schools.

Top 5:
1. Vermont
2. Massachusetts
3. Florida
4. New Hampshire
5. New York

Bottom 5:
48. New Mexico
49. Michigan
50. West Virginia
51. South Carolina

Report Card on American Education:
Ranking State K-12 Performance, Progress, and Reform

US News does an annual ranking of US High Schools.

Top 5:

1. Connecticut
2. Massachusetts
3. California
4. New Jersey
5. New York

Bottom 5:
45. Mississippi
46. Kansas
47. Hawaii
48. North Dakota
50. Montana

Best High Schools: State-by-State Statistics

And what about comparing the US Education System to other countries? Which countries ranked the highest?

Looks like those "socialist" ones that spend a lot of money on education...like Finland.

Know what they do in Finland? They pay their teachers a competitive salary. In Finland they recruit the top performers in school and pay them a really good salary.

Did you know that in 1970, the pay gap between a starting lawyer and a starting teacher salary was about $2,00 dollars a year? Know what it is today? It is over $100,000 dollars.

Pay Teachers More

"You started your post with a completely untrue statement. The American Legislative Exchange Council ranks US Schools.

Top 5:
1. Vermont
2. Massachusetts
3. Florida
4. New Hampshire
5. New York"

Students don't go to state schools, they go to city schools.
How're those big Democrat Machine schools doing?
LA, Chicago, Detroit, St Louis?
You know, the cities where Dems have been in charge for decades, those schools in the top 5?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What should be done is get the government out of the education business altogether. Give parents vouchers, let them find a school that will take their little bundle of joy under whatever parameters they agree upon.

Vouchers? Vouchers do nothing but ensure that the wealthy get a good education and fuck the unwashed masses. Of course, that does seem to be the ENTIRE GnOP goal these days. An uneducated populace will work for the slave wages their corporate masters want to pay.

BS. Private schools in Chicago get twice the results for half the cost of the CPS.
You could free the kids trapped in a failing system by giving them vouchers, but you'd lose the support of the teachers union.

 

[Charles_Main]

The Fact that anyone still engages Dean in debate befuddles me. You might as well have a debate with a computer programed with Nothing but Far Left Talking Points, Class warfare Rhetoric, and a serious case of Racial angst, and hate against All things white, and Christian.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Have Republicans just "given up"?

They are cutting:

Education
Rebuilding any infra structure
Investment in innovation or technology
They want to strip medicare of funding
Turn over any Health Care to Companies who pay tens of millions to their CEO and BOD
Turn Social Security over to stock markets now run by robots

Once they've squeezed the country dry and turned over every single bit of capital to the wealthy and to corporations, "then what"? It's not like they can "leave". US Currency is only as strong as the country.

What's the "goal"? The "end game"? Does the Republican base really think their leadership will do better than what "Bush" did? I know you want to blame it on Obama, but Obama and the Democrats have had to fight, not only the "filibuster party", but also the mess left by the "filibuster party".

At least answer, "With education cut, what kinds of jobs will be "available"?" Who wants to hire anyone with no education? And "Bible School" is NOT education. Unless, "No Jobs" is the plan. Doesn't seem like a very smart one. You could make more money with a growing economy. "Cut" is the opposite of "grow".

Education has nothing to do with the available jobs.

Without that your post is a complete failure. With that it is just plain stupid.

Oh wow. I should have known. "Education and jobs" are completely unrelated. Why didn't I see that before? I'm taken "aback" by your keen "insight".

Where did I say that.

What I said was education does not affect available jobs. You can go out and get an education in Medieval English and it will not create any jobs in Medieval English.

As for why you have not seen that, it is probably because you are a complete idiot.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Have Republicans just "given up"?

They are cutting:

Education
Rebuilding any infra structure
Investment in innovation or technology
They want to strip medicare of funding
Turn over any Health Care to Companies who pay tens of millions to their CEO and BOD
Turn Social Security over to stock markets now run by robots

Once they've squeezed the country dry and turned over every single bit of capital to the wealthy and to corporations, "then what"? It's not like they can "leave". US Currency is only as strong as the country.

What's the "goal"? The "end game"? Does the Republican base really think their leadership will do better than what "Bush" did? I know you want to blame it on Obama, but Obama and the Democrats have had to fight, not only the "filibuster party", but also the mess left by the "filibuster party".

At least answer, "With education cut, what kinds of jobs will be "available"?" Who wants to hire anyone with no education? And "Bible School" is NOT education. Unless, "No Jobs" is the plan. Doesn't seem like a very smart one. You could make more money with a growing economy. "Cut" is the opposite of "grow".

Holy shit!!
There are no cuts. The budget simply reductions in automatic budget increases.
BTW, there should be NO federal funding of public education. That is the job of the states and local districts.
You'll have to document the rest of your claims. I am calling bullshit on all of them.

 

[JoeB131]

Hilarious. Red states are completely funded by Blue states. Everyone knows that. Bible college can't compete with real education.

I'm amazed at the extent the right wing sips their own swill.

Considering most of that money is either military bases (which you guys never want to close even when you are reducing the number of troops) or road projects (again, big payoffs to the Union Goons), I'm not seeing what your complaint here is.

Fact is, that if a company has a choice between opening a factory in Detroit or Dallas, they'll open one in Dallas.

 

[California Girl]

Cutting education means conservatives see it as just another ‘commodity’ to be acquired by those who can afford it. According to conservative dogma, public education is a ‘disincentive’ to hard work and sacrifice. And for those who fail to succeed, their children will go without an education, seen by the right as an acceptable consequence of poverty.

Apparently Rdean thinks no one will be educated if the Federal Government gets out of education and leaves it to the states like they are constitutionally mandated to do.

Please cite where in the Constitution the states are alone mandated to address the issue of public education.

^^^^ This is the kind of stupid that demonstrates very clearly that the Federal Government is failing to educate people.

What an asinine thing to say.

 

[blastoff]

Since the Progressive took over US education, we now have the worst educational system in the civilized world, happily graduating morons like Deany.

The DOE is DOA

Your post is more accurate than you know. My oldest daughter didn't do well in highschool. Twice they tried to pass her claiming social equality bullshit. Had I not protested she would have graduated without the necessary math skills to compete with her peers for employment in the real world. You know the one where employers don't give a damn about hiring based on self esteem issues. The debate I had with school administrators was unbelievable. I only wish I could have recorded it. Their main excuse for wanting to promote her to the 11th grade was, get ready for it......"we fear a child's self esteem could be damaged to the point that their social skills may be damaged".
Can you believe that bs? I was stunned.

Sounds like they've got a pretty good grasp of education-speak.

 

[kwc57]

Have Republicans just "given up"?

They are cutting:

Education
Rebuilding any infra structure
Investment in innovation or technology
They want to strip medicare of funding
Turn over any Health Care to Companies who pay tens of millions to their CEO and BOD
Turn Social Security over to stock markets now run by robots

Once they've squeezed the country dry and turned over every single bit of capital to the wealthy and to corporations, "then what"? It's not like they can "leave". US Currency is only as strong as the country.

What's the "goal"? The "end game"? Does the Republican base really think their leadership will do better than what "Bush" did? I know you want to blame it on Obama, but Obama and the Democrats have had to fight, not only the "filibuster party", but also the mess left by the "filibuster party".

At least answer, "With education cut, what kinds of jobs will be "available"?" Who wants to hire anyone with no education? And "Bible School" is NOT education. Unless, "No Jobs" is the plan. Doesn't seem like a very smart one. You could make more money with a growing economy. "Cut" is the opposite of "grow".

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