Pushing back

[Old Rocks]

Does science answer to nobody when it demands changes in government policy?

It does not demand changes in government policy. It states that by the evidence this is what is happening. And if it continues to happen, we are going to see some real problems. What you Conservatives are trying to do is silence the scientists by telling lies about the evidence.

There is an overwhelming consensus among the scientists around the world concerning the danger of AGW. Every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University has stated that AGW is real, and a clear and present danger. It is few that are whoring their degrees that state otherwise. And they happen to be the very same people who have testified that smoking does no harm to you. Tobacco company or energy company, it is all the same to a whore.

 

[westwall]

What does the MWP have to do with anything? You can't take the past as a template for the future, if underlying conditions have changed, like humans putting out more CO2 in days than all the volcanoes on earth do in a normal year. The MWP was caused by natural cycles. There's NOTHING natural about CO2 values that have gone up by about a third since the advent of the Industrial Revolution. GET IT?!?!

EPIC FAIL konrad

The essence of science says that which has happened in the past will happen again. You are the denier here friend. All of the physical sciences follow the Principle of Uniformitarianism. For you to continue to spout your drivel is to deny basic science. This is why know one listens to people like you. You are the deniers, not us.

 

[Ozmar]

"Bring it on" Frauds... They never win a far and open debate.

I doubt the fascists would give them a fair and open debate.

 

[westwall]

Sure it should and must...just not to idiots like you and 2000. Don't worry your tiny brains over the spectre of scientific misinformation. There are plenty of folks that don't get fooled as easily as you that will look at the data and how it is gathered with scrutiny. Don't take it personal. Half of the population has an IQ of 100 or less. That means that there over 160 million people in our country I wouldn't trust to decide which *brand of oil to put in my car for me.

* It's a trick question fuckwit..in spite of what your television tells you..all commercially produced petroleum motor oil is the same. Same with gasoline. If you pay more for any "special" brand of oil or gas you are throwing money away. How do I know this? Because one of my grandfathers owned an oil refinery. I worked there as a late teenager for three years.

The data, you can link to data so your right, except they can not collect enough samples nor do they have a computer that can handle such a large amount of data.

Further they collect most data around the cities, thats easiest, that is were people live and collect weather data.

So lets see, as cities grow they generate more heat, that heat does not or is not felt beyond a minimal radius around the city. Despite the city being hotter the country outside the city stays the same.

Nice trick, weight the theory on data collected where its getting hotter and ignore the data that shows no change.

So you are saying you do not trust scientists to sample intelligently and furthermore you do not trust the scientists that independantly review the data and how it was collected. It is all just a huge conspiracy. Right.........

Us smart guys are like that...we do stuff just to fuck with you dumb guys... It's one of our most enjoyable past times. OOPS!!!! Did I just let the cat out of the bag???? My bad!

Not anymore. I suggest you go and actually look at the evidence of the data manipulation that has been presented. It is factual. It is incontrovertable. The scientists involved care more about their government grants then they do the truth. The government bureaucrats and politicians are in lock step because they get more power over the people.

Try doing some real research instead of listening to anyone. Do your own research and then get back to us.

 

[westwall]

The game that is being played by the political pawns of the energy corperations has nothing to do with the research that is being done. It is all about keeping any information concerning a climate changing due to the burning of fossil fuels from influencing policy.

The most prominent researcher in the US, Dr. James Hansen gave his testimony and predictions in a hearing before Congress in 1988. His predictions have turned out to be correct. Yet Senator Inhofe will stand in public and lie about that.

The people that need to be standing before a court, not Congress, are the people denying actual research results, and lying to the public about the dangers that are becoming increasing apparent as the climate changes.

Hansen is a known liar. He is a fraud. He perpetuates his fraud. I truly can't believe any intelligent person is still worshipping the religion of AGW.

At least Cucinnelli is going for Hansen's throat with this latest round of supboenas and I hope he nails his ass to the wall.

you calling somebody a liar and a fraud?



James E. Hansen (born March 29, 1941) heads the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York City, a part of the Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, Earth Sciences Division. He has held this position since 1981. He is also an adjunct professor in the Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences at Columbia University.

- James Hansen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And yet he gets schooled on the basics all of the time. Not one of his predictions has come to pass. He even underpredicted the amount of CO2 that would be in the atmosphere by a factor of two I believe it was, and the temp rise was less than a third of what he predicted, and the sea level rise that he predicted was to be charitable ludicrous. he predicted that there would be a 3 to 4 meter rise in the water levels of the Hudson river due to sea level rise and that has not happened...not even close.

World Climate Report Sea Level History Lesson

 

[HUGGY]

The data, you can link to data so your right, except they can not collect enough samples nor do they have a computer that can handle such a large amount of data.

Further they collect most data around the cities, thats easiest, that is were people live and collect weather data.

So lets see, as cities grow they generate more heat, that heat does not or is not felt beyond a minimal radius around the city. Despite the city being hotter the country outside the city stays the same.

Nice trick, weight the theory on data collected where its getting hotter and ignore the data that shows no change.

So you are saying you do not trust scientists to sample intelligently and furthermore you do not trust the scientists that independantly review the data and how it was collected. It is all just a huge conspiracy. Right.........

Us smart guys are like that...we do stuff just to fuck with you dumb guys... It's one of our most enjoyable past times. OOPS!!!! Did I just let the cat out of the bag???? My bad!

I am not saying that at all, its not a matter of trust, its a matter of reading their studies. If you read the actual study and not an article you will see that the scientist are smart enough to cover their asses. I even pointed this out in a link posted to an article, the study itself states explicitly that scientist do not have enough data thus constantly changing formulas, equations, programs and many assumptions.

Read the actual study and just about every scientist that is credible states this. this is stuff from the global warming scientist, how do you think it can be "exposed" if it is not being done.

This is not information that needs to be leaked, its stated in the reports and studies, hell, thats why they want more money to do more research, you think they need more research just to have a better argument. If they could prove there is global warming they would not need massive amounts of more research.

There are tens of thousands of very smart people, just in the USA, studying the environment from volcanoes to the bottom of the oceans to sun spots and everything in between. They are all churning out reports, papers and articles showing thier findings and conclusions. Everything they do gets reviewed by thousands more smart people. There is no one guy that is running the show. If one of them misrepresented some data for some reason and was found in error or even guilty of purposely presenting a false report. It means next to nothing. 99.999 percent of scientists are fanatically honest. Maybe one or two out of ten thousand are driven by their ego..so what? As far as continued research...that doesn't mean they have found nothing. That's a stupid assumtion. All that means is there is more data to gather and add to the existing data and conclusions.. Instead of being able to model a future within a hundred years they may be able to narrow it down to a 2 or three year window so we can prepare for some environmental changes with reliability and less wasted preparedness.

What you guys need to get over is who caused this or that. What we HAVE to know is what is changing and how fast. Any resistance towards that knowledge is criminal negligence.

 

[westwall]

Does science answer to nobody when it demands changes in government policy?

It does not demand changes in government policy. It states that by the evidence this is what is happening. And if it continues to happen, we are going to see some real problems. What you Conservatives are trying to do is silence the scientists by telling lies about the evidence.

There is an overwhelming consensus among the scientists around the world concerning the danger of AGW. Every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University has stated that AGW is real, and a clear and present danger. It is few that are whoring their degrees that state otherwise. And they happen to be the very same people who have testified that smoking does no harm to you. Tobacco company or energy company, it is all the same to a whore.

Here's an opportunity for you to prove it. An Aussie has put up 10 grand of his own money to anyone who can PROVE AGW.

ACTIVIST CLIMATE GUY: $10K Climate Challenge

Prove it and get 10K.

 

[Sallow]

I sense the big oil lobby is strong in this thread.

Yes..dump a bunch of crap into a finite space..and no matter how much you dump in there..it will never ever have any effect.

That makes sense.

[/sarcasm]

 

[tinydancer]

The game that is being played by the political pawns of the energy corperations has nothing to do with the research that is being done. It is all about keeping any information concerning a climate changing due to the burning of fossil fuels from influencing policy.

The most prominent researcher in the US, Dr. James Hansen gave his testimony and predictions in a hearing before Congress in 1988. His predictions have turned out to be correct. Yet Senator Inhofe will stand in public and lie about that.

The people that need to be standing before a court, not Congress, are the people denying actual research results, and lying to the public about the dangers that are becoming increasing apparent as the climate changes.

Hansen is a known liar. He is a fraud. He perpetuates his fraud. I truly can't believe any intelligent person is still worshipping the religion of AGW.

At least Cucinnelli is going for Hansen's throat with this latest round of supboenas and I hope he nails his ass to the wall.

you calling somebody a liar and a fraud?



James E. Hansen (born March 29, 1941) heads the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York City, a part of the Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, Earth Sciences Division. He has held this position since 1981. He is also an adjunct professor in the Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences at Columbia University.

- James Hansen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The man is a serious mental case. And yes I am calling him a liar and a fraud. He's been caught out.

Whoopsies.

When expert readers of the two leading warming-sceptic blogs, Watts Up With That and Climate Audit, began detailed analysis of the GISS data they made an astonishing discovery.

The reason for the freak figures was that scores of temperature records from Russia and elsewhere were not based on October readings at all.


Figures from the previous month had simply been carried over and repeated two months running

The error was so glaring that when it was reported on the two blogs - run by the US meteorologist Anthony Watts and Steve McIntyre, the Canadian computer analyst who won fame for his expert debunking of the notorious "hockey stick" graph - GISS began hastily revising its figures.

To compensate for the lowered temperatures in Russia, GISS claimed to have discovered a new "hotspot" in the Arctic - in a month when satellite images were showing Arctic sea-ice recovering so fast from its summer melt that three weeks ago it was 30 per cent more extensive than at the same time last year!!


The Climate Dogma Exposed as A Manipulated Lie Euro-med

Hansen was brought to his knees on this one.

 

[Old Rocks]

Does science answer to nobody when it demands changes in government policy?

It does not demand changes in government policy. It states that by the evidence this is what is happening. And if it continues to happen, we are going to see some real problems. What you Conservatives are trying to do is silence the scientists by telling lies about the evidence.

There is an overwhelming consensus among the scientists around the world concerning the danger of AGW. Every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University has stated that AGW is real, and a clear and present danger. It is few that are whoring their degrees that state otherwise. And they happen to be the very same people who have testified that smoking does no harm to you. Tobacco company or energy company, it is all the same to a whore.

Here's an opportunity for you to prove it. An Aussie has put up 10 grand of his own money to anyone who can PROVE AGW.

ACTIVIST CLIMATE GUY: $10K Climate Challenge

Prove it and get 10K.

Somehow, no matter how good the proof is, this kind of asshole never pays out.

In investigations from Fourier in 1820 to present, the proof has been ample. The fact that dishonest people like yourself state otherwise has no affect on the validity of the evidence.

If you really have some evidence concerning AGW, why don't you present it in the next AGU meeting? After all, you claim to be a geologist and member in good standing of that organization. So, when may we expect to see you giving a presentation straightening out all the real scientists in the AGU?

Of course, that is not going to happen. Guys like you are all mouth, but disappear when the rubber hits the road. Real scientists would take you apart. You are opinions are just as scientifically valid as those of mdn and Kookybill.

 

[Old Rocks]

Hansen is a known liar. He is a fraud. He perpetuates his fraud. I truly can't believe any intelligent person is still worshipping the religion of AGW.

At least Cucinnelli is going for Hansen's throat with this latest round of supboenas and I hope he nails his ass to the wall.

you calling somebody a liar and a fraud?



James E. Hansen (born March 29, 1941) heads the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York City, a part of the Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, Earth Sciences Division. He has held this position since 1981. He is also an adjunct professor in the Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences at Columbia University.

- James Hansen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The man is a serious mental case. And yes I am calling him a liar and a fraud. He's been caught out.

Whoopsies.

When expert readers of the two leading warming-sceptic blogs, Watts Up With That and Climate Audit, began detailed analysis of the GISS data they made an astonishing discovery.

The reason for the freak figures was that scores of temperature records from Russia and elsewhere were not based on October readings at all.


Figures from the previous month had simply been carried over and repeated two months running

The error was so glaring that when it was reported on the two blogs - run by the US meteorologist Anthony Watts and Steve McIntyre, the Canadian computer analyst who won fame for his expert debunking of the notorious "hockey stick" graph - GISS began hastily revising its figures.

To compensate for the lowered temperatures in Russia, GISS claimed to have discovered a new "hotspot" in the Arctic - in a month when satellite images were showing Arctic sea-ice recovering so fast from its summer melt that three weeks ago it was 30 per cent more extensive than at the same time last year!!


The Climate Dogma Exposed as A Manipulated Lie Euro-med

Hansen was brought to his knees on this one.

What a bullshitter you are. Not only has Dr. James Hansen not been brought to his knees, he is the most respected climate scientist in the US if not in the world.

Anthony Watt is an undegreed ex-TV weatherman that has never done a bit of research in his life.

Here is a sceptic who does not think that the situation is as bad as stated. Now look at his graphs. Note the direction of the temperature.

Oct. 2010 UAH Global Temperature Update: +0.42 deg. C Roy Spencer, Ph. D.

As the tropical tropospheric temperatures continue to cool, the global average is finally beginning to follow suit:+0.42 deg. C for October, 2010. This is the lowest monthly temperature anomaly we’ve seen in what has been a very warm year.

For those following the race for warmest year in the satellite tropospheric temperature record (which began in 1979), 2010 is still within striking distance of the record warm year of 1998. Here are the 1998 and 2010 averages for January 1st through October 31

 

[mdn2000]

you calling somebody a liar and a fraud?



James E. Hansen (born March 29, 1941) heads the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York City, a part of the Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, Earth Sciences Division. He has held this position since 1981. He is also an adjunct professor in the Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences at Columbia University.

- James Hansen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The man is a serious mental case. And yes I am calling him a liar and a fraud. He's been caught out.

Whoopsies.

When expert readers of the two leading warming-sceptic blogs, Watts Up With That and Climate Audit, began detailed analysis of the GISS data they made an astonishing discovery.

The reason for the freak figures was that scores of temperature records from Russia and elsewhere were not based on October readings at all.


Figures from the previous month had simply been carried over and repeated two months running

The error was so glaring that when it was reported on the two blogs - run by the US meteorologist Anthony Watts and Steve McIntyre, the Canadian computer analyst who won fame for his expert debunking of the notorious "hockey stick" graph - GISS began hastily revising its figures.

To compensate for the lowered temperatures in Russia, GISS claimed to have discovered a new "hotspot" in the Arctic - in a month when satellite images were showing Arctic sea-ice recovering so fast from its summer melt that three weeks ago it was 30 per cent more extensive than at the same time last year!!


The Climate Dogma Exposed as A Manipulated Lie Euro-med

Hansen was brought to his knees on this one.

What a bullshitter you are. Not only has Dr. James Hansen not been brought to his knees, he is the most respected climate scientist in the US if not in the world.

Anthony Watt is an undegreed ex-TV weatherman that has never done a bit of research in his life.

Here is a sceptic who does not think that the situation is as bad as stated. Now look at his graphs. Note the direction of the temperature.

Oct. 2010 UAH Global Temperature Update: +0.42 deg. C Roy Spencer, Ph. D.

As the tropical tropospheric temperatures continue to cool, the global average is finally beginning to follow suit:+0.42 deg. C for October, 2010. This is the lowest monthly temperature anomaly we’ve seen in what has been a very warm year.

For those following the race for warmest year in the satellite tropospheric temperature record (which began in 1979), 2010 is still within striking distance of the record warm year of 1998. Here are the 1998 and 2010 averages for January 1st through October 31

Hitler was the most respected Nazi in the world.

 

[Old Rocks]

Now what are the achievement of this man's critics? Standing in the backbenchs and jeering at their betters?

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/staff/cv/cv_hansen_200912.pdf

Teaching Experience:
Atmospheric Radiation (graduate level): New York Univ., Dept. of Meteorology & Oceanography
Intro. to Planetary Atmospheres & Climate Change: Columbia Univ., Dept. of Geological Sciences

Awards:
1977 Goddard Special Achievement Award (Pioneer Venus)
1978 NASA Group Achievement Award (Voyager, Photopolarimeter)
1984 NASA Exceptional Service Medal (Radiative Transfer)
1989 National Wildlife Federation Conservation Achievement Award
1990 NASA Presidential Rank Award of Meritorious Executive
1991 University of Iowa Alumni Achievement Award
1992 American Geophysical Union Fellow
1993 NASA Group Achievement Award (Galileo, Polarimeter/Radiometer)
1996 Elected to National Academy of Sciences
1996 GSFC William Nordberg Achievement Medal
1996 Editor’ Citation for Excellence in Refereeing for Geophysical Research Letters
1997 NASA Presidential Rank Award of Meritorious Executive
2000 University of Iowa Alumni Fellow
2000 GISS Best Scientific Publication (peer vote): ‘Global warming - alternative scenario’
2001 John Heinz Environment Award
2001 Roger Revelle Medal, American Geophysical Union
2004 GISS Best Scientific Publication (peer vote): ‘Soot Climate Forcing’
2005 GISS Best Scientific Publication (peer vote): ‘Earth’s Energy Imbalance’
2006 Duke of Edinburgh Conservation Medal, World Wildlife Fund (WWF)
2006 GISS Best Scientific Publication (peer vote): ‘Global Temperature Change’
2007 Laureate, Dan David Prize for Outstanding Achievements & Impacts in Quest for Energy

 

[Old Rocks]

The man is a serious mental case. And yes I am calling him a liar and a fraud. He's been caught out.

Whoopsies.

When expert readers of the two leading warming-sceptic blogs, Watts Up With That and Climate Audit, began detailed analysis of the GISS data they made an astonishing discovery.

The reason for the freak figures was that scores of temperature records from Russia and elsewhere were not based on October readings at all.


Figures from the previous month had simply been carried over and repeated two months running

The error was so glaring that when it was reported on the two blogs - run by the US meteorologist Anthony Watts and Steve McIntyre, the Canadian computer analyst who won fame for his expert debunking of the notorious "hockey stick" graph - GISS began hastily revising its figures.

To compensate for the lowered temperatures in Russia, GISS claimed to have discovered a new "hotspot" in the Arctic - in a month when satellite images were showing Arctic sea-ice recovering so fast from its summer melt that three weeks ago it was 30 per cent more extensive than at the same time last year!!


The Climate Dogma Exposed as A Manipulated Lie Euro-med

Hansen was brought to his knees on this one.

What a bullshitter you are. Not only has Dr. James Hansen not been brought to his knees, he is the most respected climate scientist in the US if not in the world.

Anthony Watt is an undegreed ex-TV weatherman that has never done a bit of research in his life.

Here is a sceptic who does not think that the situation is as bad as stated. Now look at his graphs. Note the direction of the temperature.

Oct. 2010 UAH Global Temperature Update: +0.42 deg. C Roy Spencer, Ph. D.

As the tropical tropospheric temperatures continue to cool, the global average is finally beginning to follow suit:+0.42 deg. C for October, 2010. This is the lowest monthly temperature anomaly we’ve seen in what has been a very warm year.

For those following the race for warmest year in the satellite tropospheric temperature record (which began in 1979), 2010 is still within striking distance of the record warm year of 1998. Here are the 1998 and 2010 averages for January 1st through October 31

Hitler was the most respected Nazi in the world.

So, you think that scientists are the equal of Nazis. And you fervently admire ol' Tailgunner Joe. Pretty complete picture of the mentality of the deniers on this board. Are you listening ol' Walleyes

 

[mdn2000]

It does not demand changes in government policy. It states that by the evidence this is what is happening. And if it continues to happen, we are going to see some real problems. What you Conservatives are trying to do is silence the scientists by telling lies about the evidence.

There is an overwhelming consensus among the scientists around the world concerning the danger of AGW. Every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University has stated that AGW is real, and a clear and present danger. It is few that are whoring their degrees that state otherwise. And they happen to be the very same people who have testified that smoking does no harm to you. Tobacco company or energy company, it is all the same to a whore.

Here's an opportunity for you to prove it. An Aussie has put up 10 grand of his own money to anyone who can PROVE AGW.

ACTIVIST CLIMATE GUY: $10K Climate Challenge

Prove it and get 10K.

Somehow, no matter how good the proof is, this kind of asshole never pays out.

In investigations from Fourier in 1820 to present, the proof has been ample. The fact that dishonest people like yourself state otherwise has no affect on the validity of the evidence.

If you really have some evidence concerning AGW, why don't you present it in the next AGU meeting? After all, you claim to be a geologist and member in good standing of that organization. So, when may we expect to see you giving a presentation straightening out all the real scientists in the AGU?

Of course, that is not going to happen. Guys like you are all mouth, but disappear when the rubber hits the road. Real scientists would take you apart. You are opinions are just as scientifically valid as those of mdn and Kookybill.

You mean like when your links prove you wrong, what happened to your mouth in "energy", I notice you refuse to play when I am around.

Tell us how Seattle and Portland together only need 2 gwh of electricity, remember that thread, what a complete joke.

Give us a great link today Old Crock, I feel like having fun, go ahead, post your best link, we all need a good laugh.

 

[tinydancer]

I sense the big oil lobby is strong in this thread.

Yes..dump a bunch of crap into a finite space..and no matter how much you dump in there..it will never ever have any effect.

That makes sense.

[/sarcasm]

Please tell me that you are aware that Ken Lay came up with the whole carbon credit scheme and this was a pay to pollute manouver.

Does Enron ring a bell here?

 

[Sallow]

I hear that Issac Newton guy was a fraud too..

And that gravity thing? It's a liberal conspiracy..

 

[tinydancer]

you calling somebody a liar and a fraud?



James E. Hansen (born March 29, 1941) heads the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York City, a part of the Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, Earth Sciences Division. He has held this position since 1981. He is also an adjunct professor in the Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences at Columbia University.

- James Hansen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The man is a serious mental case. And yes I am calling him a liar and a fraud. He's been caught out.

Whoopsies.

When expert readers of the two leading warming-sceptic blogs, Watts Up With That and Climate Audit, began detailed analysis of the GISS data they made an astonishing discovery.

The reason for the freak figures was that scores of temperature records from Russia and elsewhere were not based on October readings at all.


Figures from the previous month had simply been carried over and repeated two months running

The error was so glaring that when it was reported on the two blogs - run by the US meteorologist Anthony Watts and Steve McIntyre, the Canadian computer analyst who won fame for his expert debunking of the notorious "hockey stick" graph - GISS began hastily revising its figures.

To compensate for the lowered temperatures in Russia, GISS claimed to have discovered a new "hotspot" in the Arctic - in a month when satellite images were showing Arctic sea-ice recovering so fast from its summer melt that three weeks ago it was 30 per cent more extensive than at the same time last year!!


The Climate Dogma Exposed as A Manipulated Lie Euro-med

Hansen was brought to his knees on this one.

What a bullshitter you are. Not only has Dr. James Hansen not been brought to his knees, he is the most respected climate scientist in the US if not in the world.

Anthony Watt is an undegreed ex-TV weatherman that has never done a bit of research in his life.

Here is a sceptic who does not think that the situation is as bad as stated. Now look at his graphs. Note the direction of the temperature.

Oct. 2010 UAH Global Temperature Update: +0.42 deg. C Roy Spencer, Ph. D.

As the tropical tropospheric temperatures continue to cool, the global average is finally beginning to follow suit:+0.42 deg. C for October, 2010. This is the lowest monthly temperature anomaly we’ve seen in what has been a very warm year.

For those following the race for warmest year in the satellite tropospheric temperature record (which began in 1979), 2010 is still within striking distance of the record warm year of 1998. Here are the 1998 and 2010 averages for January 1st through October 31

Hansen is discredited.

 

[Old Rocks]

I sense the big oil lobby is strong in this thread.

Yes..dump a bunch of crap into a finite space..and no matter how much you dump in there..it will never ever have any effect.

That makes sense.

[/sarcasm]

Please tell me that you are aware that Ken Lay came up with the whole carbon credit scheme and this was a pay to pollute manouver.

Does Enron ring a bell here?

What rings a bell is that the you don't seem to realize that the model has worked already. It worked to reduce, dramatically, the sulphate pollution from coal burning power stations.

Also, when you state things like you just did, link to some proof. Otherwise, you are just another yap-yap artist that pull nonsense out of their ass.

 

[Old Rocks]

The man is a serious mental case. And yes I am calling him a liar and a fraud. He's been caught out.

Whoopsies.

When expert readers of the two leading warming-sceptic blogs, Watts Up With That and Climate Audit, began detailed analysis of the GISS data they made an astonishing discovery.

The reason for the freak figures was that scores of temperature records from Russia and elsewhere were not based on October readings at all.


Figures from the previous month had simply been carried over and repeated two months running

The error was so glaring that when it was reported on the two blogs - run by the US meteorologist Anthony Watts and Steve McIntyre, the Canadian computer analyst who won fame for his expert debunking of the notorious "hockey stick" graph - GISS began hastily revising its figures.

To compensate for the lowered temperatures in Russia, GISS claimed to have discovered a new "hotspot" in the Arctic - in a month when satellite images were showing Arctic sea-ice recovering so fast from its summer melt that three weeks ago it was 30 per cent more extensive than at the same time last year!!


The Climate Dogma Exposed as A Manipulated Lie Euro-med

Hansen was brought to his knees on this one.

What a bullshitter you are. Not only has Dr. James Hansen not been brought to his knees, he is the most respected climate scientist in the US if not in the world.

Anthony Watt is an undegreed ex-TV weatherman that has never done a bit of research in his life.

Here is a sceptic who does not think that the situation is as bad as stated. Now look at his graphs. Note the direction of the temperature.

Oct. 2010 UAH Global Temperature Update: +0.42 deg. C Roy Spencer, Ph. D.

As the tropical tropospheric temperatures continue to cool, the global average is finally beginning to follow suit:+0.42 deg. C for October, 2010. This is the lowest monthly temperature anomaly we’ve seen in what has been a very warm year.

For those following the race for warmest year in the satellite tropospheric temperature record (which began in 1979), 2010 is still within striking distance of the record warm year of 1998. Here are the 1998 and 2010 averages for January 1st through October 31

Hansen is discredited.

Really? Your proof of which is? The rest of the world, the sane part, regards him as one of the best scientists in the world today.