Public Schools Destroy Hearts and Minds

[Moonglow]

...

Let me tell you about your position - ....

No. You clearly know nothing about it, and are only here to vent some ignorant, emotive nonsense.

I am clearly hear [sic] to educate .....

Maybe you should learn how to spell first.

I am the result of a public school edumuhcaction. Now, go apologize to those children for messing their lives up. Here [sic] me?

We can certainly tell you never learned anything out of school either...

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

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Now, it [sic] your turn to qualify yourself. Bet you wont.

I teach in a public school. I've been teaching for over 20 years. Your uninformed, emotive nonsense is transparent.

So you "teach" (or do you preach?) in public schools and you come here to insult and berate people for not accepting your position as holy?

Let me tell you about your position - You're a puppet. Nothing more. Your job is to put into the heads of the children only that which is approved by your state/government. Every child has to raise their hand (a sign of obedience and submission to "authority") before they are allowed to speak. You lead them in flag worship every morning in true socialist fashion. You give them x number of minutes to fill their little brains with whatever crap you happen to be teaching, when some need half as many minutes and others twice as many. But that is not important. What is important is they OBEY and CONFORM to the demands of "authority", which you, foolishly, think you possess some of. After you and your public schools are through with Johnny, he can't read, he can't write, he can't do simple fractions, he doesn't know jack shit except how to take orders and obey. And if Johnny speaks out, or acts up, you "diagnose" him as having ADD or ADHD and want him doped up.

Instead of patting yourself on the back for 20 years of service in the indoctrination camps, you should be kicking yourself in the ass for fucking up kids heads, hearts and lives.

When was the last time you were in a public school classroom? That may have been how YOU were taught, but that doesn't fly today!

 

[jaydedjen110]

Try being in special education... Worst 18 years of my life.

 

[initforme]

The whole op is a complete load. Laughable

 

[ScienceRocks]

Millions of kids wouldn't get even a basic education in this country if it wasn't for public education...For anyone to suggest the shit the op does is to rob millions of children a chance in life.

Evil bastard.

 

[Buck111]

The best concentration camps in the world are the public schools.

It is in the schools that the children are taught to concentrate their minds on collectivism; It is in the schools that the child is taught to worship their country and their government and to become "patriots"; It is in the schools that the child is first taught to ignore their religions and their consciences and love their country above their families and their individuality; It is in the schools that bright minds become the minds of parroting puppets where what they are taught to believe to be true is more important than what their young hearts actually know to be true; It is in the schools that the minds are rotted and all that is holy is traded for all that is agreeable to the group; It is in the schools where the heart becomes hardened and the mind becomes confused and controlled.

It is in the schools where true freedom dies.

Is true freedom anarchy?

Anarchy is an ideology and ideologies are hard to define in just one word.

And yet we have loads of people on such forums who will do just that.

You just said true freedom dies in schools. Very few works for something that isn't easy to define. However you could have attempted to answer my question instead of passing it off.

I could say, "Yes, true freedom is anarchy", but then I would have to define an interpretation of anarchy that would make it so.
I would need to justify the statement that "true freedom is anarchy" and I think it is impossible to do that and make it inclusive of every definition of anarchy in a few short paragraphs, if at all.

I did say, "It is in the schools where true freedom dies." By that I meant individuality is taken from the individual and a collectivist mindset is instilled. The belief in authority starts in the schools and stays with the collectivist until they either wake up to the fact that they are an individual who has a right to self ownership or they die.

True freedom is to own yourself and your actions and to be responsible for what you do or say. True freedom is not being controlled by other human beings. When others control you, you are not free - you are a slave.

Well, I think you're wrong.

The first reason I think you're wrong is because I know what a school that takes away individuality looks like, and it's not in America. It's in China where they're producing robots.

The second reason I think you're wrong is that you can teach collectivism and teach individuality at the same time.

Anarchy by it's very nature is both the most free and one of the least free ways of living. Freedom because you can do what you like whenever you like, and least free because other people can do what they like whenever they like, and chances are you aren't going to be top of that pile.

Freedom is a balance. It can never be total. People feel more free in countries where there is enough security. I've been to southern Africa, and at night you don't go walking around the streets, it's too dangerous. This isn't freedom. Go to Far East Asia and walking the streets at night is no problem in most areas. You still want to be careful, but that's life.

There are lots of things that make up freedom, the feeling of being free. A collective sense of community might be the result of that. Having people grow up into decent human beings, that understand the rules, that follow the rules makes people more free. Yes, they've been "indoctrinated", we all are, that is what society is, indoctrination into a certain way. Culture is a thing that the people do, because they've learned to do that thing, or appreciate something.
In China people love seeing hand written characters, I personally think it's boring. Why? Because it wasn't drilled into me as a kid.

I've lived in Germany, a place that had a collective (as West Germany) get together to think about what happened in WW2. Racism is much lower there than in Austria (which was told it was the victim of German aggression) and East Germany (where the Soviets didn't care as long as you were a good Communist) and tolerance is higher, and it's a better place to live.

"I am myself; you are yourself; we are two distinct persons, equal persons. What you are, I am. You are a man, and so am I. God created both, and made us separate beings. I am not by nature bound to you, or you to me. Nature does not make your existence depend upon me, or mine to depend upon yours. I cannot walk upon your legs, or you upon mine. I cannot breathe for you, or you for me; I must breathe for myself, and you for yourself. We are distinct persons, and are each equally provided with faculties necessary to our individual existence. In leaving you, I took nothing but what belonged to me, and in no way lessened your means for obtaining an honest living. Your faculties remained yours, and mine became useful to their rightful owner." ~ Frederick Douglass

Individualism vs. Collectivism: Our Future, Our Choice - The Objective Standard

 

[frigidweirdo]

Is true freedom anarchy?

Anarchy is an ideology and ideologies are hard to define in just one word.

And yet we have loads of people on such forums who will do just that.

You just said true freedom dies in schools. Very few works for something that isn't easy to define. However you could have attempted to answer my question instead of passing it off.

I could say, "Yes, true freedom is anarchy", but then I would have to define an interpretation of anarchy that would make it so.
I would need to justify the statement that "true freedom is anarchy" and I think it is impossible to do that and make it inclusive of every definition of anarchy in a few short paragraphs, if at all.

I did say, "It is in the schools where true freedom dies." By that I meant individuality is taken from the individual and a collectivist mindset is instilled. The belief in authority starts in the schools and stays with the collectivist until they either wake up to the fact that they are an individual who has a right to self ownership or they die.

True freedom is to own yourself and your actions and to be responsible for what you do or say. True freedom is not being controlled by other human beings. When others control you, you are not free - you are a slave.

Well, I think you're wrong.

The first reason I think you're wrong is because I know what a school that takes away individuality looks like, and it's not in America. It's in China where they're producing robots.

The second reason I think you're wrong is that you can teach collectivism and teach individuality at the same time.

Anarchy by it's very nature is both the most free and one of the least free ways of living. Freedom because you can do what you like whenever you like, and least free because other people can do what they like whenever they like, and chances are you aren't going to be top of that pile.

Freedom is a balance. It can never be total. People feel more free in countries where there is enough security. I've been to southern Africa, and at night you don't go walking around the streets, it's too dangerous. This isn't freedom. Go to Far East Asia and walking the streets at night is no problem in most areas. You still want to be careful, but that's life.

There are lots of things that make up freedom, the feeling of being free. A collective sense of community might be the result of that. Having people grow up into decent human beings, that understand the rules, that follow the rules makes people more free. Yes, they've been "indoctrinated", we all are, that is what society is, indoctrination into a certain way. Culture is a thing that the people do, because they've learned to do that thing, or appreciate something.
In China people love seeing hand written characters, I personally think it's boring. Why? Because it wasn't drilled into me as a kid.

I've lived in Germany, a place that had a collective (as West Germany) get together to think about what happened in WW2. Racism is much lower there than in Austria (which was told it was the victim of German aggression) and East Germany (where the Soviets didn't care as long as you were a good Communist) and tolerance is higher, and it's a better place to live.

"I am myself; you are yourself; we are two distinct persons, equal persons. What you are, I am. You are a man, and so am I. God created both, and made us separate beings. I am not by nature bound to you, or you to me. Nature does not make your existence depend upon me, or mine to depend upon yours. I cannot walk upon your legs, or you upon mine. I cannot breathe for you, or you for me; I must breathe for myself, and you for yourself. We are distinct persons, and are each equally provided with faculties necessary to our individual existence. In leaving you, I took nothing but what belonged to me, and in no way lessened your means for obtaining an honest living. Your faculties remained yours, and mine became useful to their rightful owner." ~ Frederick Douglass

Individualism vs. Collectivism: Our Future, Our Choice - The Objective Standard

God didn't create me, sorry, I was not made by some mythical being. I can tell you how I was made, and it started with sex.

 

[Unkotare]

The best concentration camps in the world are the public schools.

It is in the schools that the children are taught to concentrate their minds on collectivism; It is in the schools that the child is taught to worship their country and their government and to become "patriots"; It is in the schools that the child is first taught to ignore their religions and their consciences and love their country above their families and their individuality; It is in the schools that bright minds become the minds of parroting puppets where what they are taught to believe to be true is more important than what their young hearts actually know to be true; It is in the schools that the minds are rotted and all that is holy is traded for all that is agreeable to the group; It is in the schools where the heart becomes hardened and the mind becomes confused and controlled.

It is in the schools where true freedom dies.

Are all now in agreement that the OP is ridiculous bullshit?

 

[initforme]

No doubt. Pure bs.

 

[Buck111]

Anarchy is an ideology and ideologies are hard to define in just one word.

And yet we have loads of people on such forums who will do just that.

You just said true freedom dies in schools. Very few works for something that isn't easy to define. However you could have attempted to answer my question instead of passing it off.

I could say, "Yes, true freedom is anarchy", but then I would have to define an interpretation of anarchy that would make it so.
I would need to justify the statement that "true freedom is anarchy" and I think it is impossible to do that and make it inclusive of every definition of anarchy in a few short paragraphs, if at all.

I did say, "It is in the schools where true freedom dies." By that I meant individuality is taken from the individual and a collectivist mindset is instilled. The belief in authority starts in the schools and stays with the collectivist until they either wake up to the fact that they are an individual who has a right to self ownership or they die.

True freedom is to own yourself and your actions and to be responsible for what you do or say. True freedom is not being controlled by other human beings. When others control you, you are not free - you are a slave.

Well, I think you're wrong.

The first reason I think you're wrong is because I know what a school that takes away individuality looks like, and it's not in America. It's in China where they're producing robots.

The second reason I think you're wrong is that you can teach collectivism and teach individuality at the same time.

Anarchy by it's very nature is both the most free and one of the least free ways of living. Freedom because you can do what you like whenever you like, and least free because other people can do what they like whenever they like, and chances are you aren't going to be top of that pile.

Freedom is a balance. It can never be total. People feel more free in countries where there is enough security. I've been to southern Africa, and at night you don't go walking around the streets, it's too dangerous. This isn't freedom. Go to Far East Asia and walking the streets at night is no problem in most areas. You still want to be careful, but that's life.

There are lots of things that make up freedom, the feeling of being free. A collective sense of community might be the result of that. Having people grow up into decent human beings, that understand the rules, that follow the rules makes people more free. Yes, they've been "indoctrinated", we all are, that is what society is, indoctrination into a certain way. Culture is a thing that the people do, because they've learned to do that thing, or appreciate something.
In China people love seeing hand written characters, I personally think it's boring. Why? Because it wasn't drilled into me as a kid.

I've lived in Germany, a place that had a collective (as West Germany) get together to think about what happened in WW2. Racism is much lower there than in Austria (which was told it was the victim of German aggression) and East Germany (where the Soviets didn't care as long as you were a good Communist) and tolerance is higher, and it's a better place to live.

"I am myself; you are yourself; we are two distinct persons, equal persons. What you are, I am. You are a man, and so am I. God created both, and made us separate beings. I am not by nature bound to you, or you to me. Nature does not make your existence depend upon me, or mine to depend upon yours. I cannot walk upon your legs, or you upon mine. I cannot breathe for you, or you for me; I must breathe for myself, and you for yourself. We are distinct persons, and are each equally provided with faculties necessary to our individual existence. In leaving you, I took nothing but what belonged to me, and in no way lessened your means for obtaining an honest living. Your faculties remained yours, and mine became useful to their rightful owner." ~ Frederick Douglass

Individualism vs. Collectivism: Our Future, Our Choice - The Objective Standard

God didn't create me, sorry, I was not made by some mythical being. I can tell you how I was made, and it started with sex.

How you were created is not relevant, as you would have learned had you read the article.

 

[Buck111]

The best concentration camps in the world are the public schools.

It is in the schools that the children are taught to concentrate their minds on collectivism; It is in the schools that the child is taught to worship their country and their government and to become "patriots"; It is in the schools that the child is first taught to ignore their religions and their consciences and love their country above their families and their individuality; It is in the schools that bright minds become the minds of parroting puppets where what they are taught to believe to be true is more important than what their young hearts actually know to be true; It is in the schools that the minds are rotted and all that is holy is traded for all that is agreeable to the group; It is in the schools where the heart becomes hardened and the mind becomes confused and controlled.

It is in the schools where true freedom dies.

Are all now in agreement that the OP is ridiculous bullshit?

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” ― Socrates

 

[frigidweirdo]

And yet we have loads of people on such forums who will do just that.

You just said true freedom dies in schools. Very few works for something that isn't easy to define. However you could have attempted to answer my question instead of passing it off.

I could say, "Yes, true freedom is anarchy", but then I would have to define an interpretation of anarchy that would make it so.
I would need to justify the statement that "true freedom is anarchy" and I think it is impossible to do that and make it inclusive of every definition of anarchy in a few short paragraphs, if at all.

I did say, "It is in the schools where true freedom dies." By that I meant individuality is taken from the individual and a collectivist mindset is instilled. The belief in authority starts in the schools and stays with the collectivist until they either wake up to the fact that they are an individual who has a right to self ownership or they die.

True freedom is to own yourself and your actions and to be responsible for what you do or say. True freedom is not being controlled by other human beings. When others control you, you are not free - you are a slave.

Well, I think you're wrong.

The first reason I think you're wrong is because I know what a school that takes away individuality looks like, and it's not in America. It's in China where they're producing robots.

The second reason I think you're wrong is that you can teach collectivism and teach individuality at the same time.

Anarchy by it's very nature is both the most free and one of the least free ways of living. Freedom because you can do what you like whenever you like, and least free because other people can do what they like whenever they like, and chances are you aren't going to be top of that pile.

Freedom is a balance. It can never be total. People feel more free in countries where there is enough security. I've been to southern Africa, and at night you don't go walking around the streets, it's too dangerous. This isn't freedom. Go to Far East Asia and walking the streets at night is no problem in most areas. You still want to be careful, but that's life.

There are lots of things that make up freedom, the feeling of being free. A collective sense of community might be the result of that. Having people grow up into decent human beings, that understand the rules, that follow the rules makes people more free. Yes, they've been "indoctrinated", we all are, that is what society is, indoctrination into a certain way. Culture is a thing that the people do, because they've learned to do that thing, or appreciate something.
In China people love seeing hand written characters, I personally think it's boring. Why? Because it wasn't drilled into me as a kid.

I've lived in Germany, a place that had a collective (as West Germany) get together to think about what happened in WW2. Racism is much lower there than in Austria (which was told it was the victim of German aggression) and East Germany (where the Soviets didn't care as long as you were a good Communist) and tolerance is higher, and it's a better place to live.

"I am myself; you are yourself; we are two distinct persons, equal persons. What you are, I am. You are a man, and so am I. God created both, and made us separate beings. I am not by nature bound to you, or you to me. Nature does not make your existence depend upon me, or mine to depend upon yours. I cannot walk upon your legs, or you upon mine. I cannot breathe for you, or you for me; I must breathe for myself, and you for yourself. We are distinct persons, and are each equally provided with faculties necessary to our individual existence. In leaving you, I took nothing but what belonged to me, and in no way lessened your means for obtaining an honest living. Your faculties remained yours, and mine became useful to their rightful owner." ~ Frederick Douglass

Individualism vs. Collectivism: Our Future, Our Choice - The Objective Standard

God didn't create me, sorry, I was not made by some mythical being. I can tell you how I was made, and it started with sex.

How you were created is not relevant, as you would have learned had you read the article.

Why would I read the article? You didn't make a point for me to argue against, so....

 

[Buck111]

I could say, "Yes, true freedom is anarchy", but then I would have to define an interpretation of anarchy that would make it so.
I would need to justify the statement that "true freedom is anarchy" and I think it is impossible to do that and make it inclusive of every definition of anarchy in a few short paragraphs, if at all.

I did say, "It is in the schools where true freedom dies." By that I meant individuality is taken from the individual and a collectivist mindset is instilled. The belief in authority starts in the schools and stays with the collectivist until they either wake up to the fact that they are an individual who has a right to self ownership or they die.

True freedom is to own yourself and your actions and to be responsible for what you do or say. True freedom is not being controlled by other human beings. When others control you, you are not free - you are a slave.

Well, I think you're wrong.

The first reason I think you're wrong is because I know what a school that takes away individuality looks like, and it's not in America. It's in China where they're producing robots.

The second reason I think you're wrong is that you can teach collectivism and teach individuality at the same time.

Anarchy by it's very nature is both the most free and one of the least free ways of living. Freedom because you can do what you like whenever you like, and least free because other people can do what they like whenever they like, and chances are you aren't going to be top of that pile.

Freedom is a balance. It can never be total. People feel more free in countries where there is enough security. I've been to southern Africa, and at night you don't go walking around the streets, it's too dangerous. This isn't freedom. Go to Far East Asia and walking the streets at night is no problem in most areas. You still want to be careful, but that's life.

There are lots of things that make up freedom, the feeling of being free. A collective sense of community might be the result of that. Having people grow up into decent human beings, that understand the rules, that follow the rules makes people more free. Yes, they've been "indoctrinated", we all are, that is what society is, indoctrination into a certain way. Culture is a thing that the people do, because they've learned to do that thing, or appreciate something.
In China people love seeing hand written characters, I personally think it's boring. Why? Because it wasn't drilled into me as a kid.

I've lived in Germany, a place that had a collective (as West Germany) get together to think about what happened in WW2. Racism is much lower there than in Austria (which was told it was the victim of German aggression) and East Germany (where the Soviets didn't care as long as you were a good Communist) and tolerance is higher, and it's a better place to live.

"I am myself; you are yourself; we are two distinct persons, equal persons. What you are, I am. You are a man, and so am I. God created both, and made us separate beings. I am not by nature bound to you, or you to me. Nature does not make your existence depend upon me, or mine to depend upon yours. I cannot walk upon your legs, or you upon mine. I cannot breathe for you, or you for me; I must breathe for myself, and you for yourself. We are distinct persons, and are each equally provided with faculties necessary to our individual existence. In leaving you, I took nothing but what belonged to me, and in no way lessened your means for obtaining an honest living. Your faculties remained yours, and mine became useful to their rightful owner." ~ Frederick Douglass

Individualism vs. Collectivism: Our Future, Our Choice - The Objective Standard

God didn't create me, sorry, I was not made by some mythical being. I can tell you how I was made, and it started with sex.

How you were created is not relevant, as you would have learned had you read the article.

Why would I read the article? You didn't make a point for me to argue against, so....

The point was in the article and the article was a reply to your claim that one could be both a collectivist and an individual.

 

[Buck111]

An education for you all:

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well, I think you're wrong.

The first reason I think you're wrong is because I know what a school that takes away individuality looks like, and it's not in America. It's in China where they're producing robots.

The second reason I think you're wrong is that you can teach collectivism and teach individuality at the same time.

Anarchy by it's very nature is both the most free and one of the least free ways of living. Freedom because you can do what you like whenever you like, and least free because other people can do what they like whenever they like, and chances are you aren't going to be top of that pile.

Freedom is a balance. It can never be total. People feel more free in countries where there is enough security. I've been to southern Africa, and at night you don't go walking around the streets, it's too dangerous. This isn't freedom. Go to Far East Asia and walking the streets at night is no problem in most areas. You still want to be careful, but that's life.

There are lots of things that make up freedom, the feeling of being free. A collective sense of community might be the result of that. Having people grow up into decent human beings, that understand the rules, that follow the rules makes people more free. Yes, they've been "indoctrinated", we all are, that is what society is, indoctrination into a certain way. Culture is a thing that the people do, because they've learned to do that thing, or appreciate something.
In China people love seeing hand written characters, I personally think it's boring. Why? Because it wasn't drilled into me as a kid.

I've lived in Germany, a place that had a collective (as West Germany) get together to think about what happened in WW2. Racism is much lower there than in Austria (which was told it was the victim of German aggression) and East Germany (where the Soviets didn't care as long as you were a good Communist) and tolerance is higher, and it's a better place to live.

"I am myself; you are yourself; we are two distinct persons, equal persons. What you are, I am. You are a man, and so am I. God created both, and made us separate beings. I am not by nature bound to you, or you to me. Nature does not make your existence depend upon me, or mine to depend upon yours. I cannot walk upon your legs, or you upon mine. I cannot breathe for you, or you for me; I must breathe for myself, and you for yourself. We are distinct persons, and are each equally provided with faculties necessary to our individual existence. In leaving you, I took nothing but what belonged to me, and in no way lessened your means for obtaining an honest living. Your faculties remained yours, and mine became useful to their rightful owner." ~ Frederick Douglass

Individualism vs. Collectivism: Our Future, Our Choice - The Objective Standard

God didn't create me, sorry, I was not made by some mythical being. I can tell you how I was made, and it started with sex.

How you were created is not relevant, as you would have learned had you read the article.

Why would I read the article? You didn't make a point for me to argue against, so....

The point was in the article and the article was a reply to your claim that one could be both a collectivist and an individual.

Yeah, well if you're too lazy to put that up here, that's your problem. I'm not going to run around looking at stuff in something that someone has posted unless they actually make an argument in their post. There's too much bullshit to wade through on this site as it is.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Religion destroys hearts and minds...School makes them.

 

[Buck111]

"I am myself; you are yourself; we are two distinct persons, equal persons. What you are, I am. You are a man, and so am I. God created both, and made us separate beings. I am not by nature bound to you, or you to me. Nature does not make your existence depend upon me, or mine to depend upon yours. I cannot walk upon your legs, or you upon mine. I cannot breathe for you, or you for me; I must breathe for myself, and you for yourself. We are distinct persons, and are each equally provided with faculties necessary to our individual existence. In leaving you, I took nothing but what belonged to me, and in no way lessened your means for obtaining an honest living. Your faculties remained yours, and mine became useful to their rightful owner." ~ Frederick Douglass

Individualism vs. Collectivism: Our Future, Our Choice - The Objective Standard

God didn't create me, sorry, I was not made by some mythical being. I can tell you how I was made, and it started with sex.

How you were created is not relevant, as you would have learned had you read the article.

Why would I read the article? You didn't make a point for me to argue against, so....

The point was in the article and the article was a reply to your claim that one could be both a collectivist and an individual.

Yeah, well if you're too lazy to put that up here, that's your problem. I'm not going to run around looking at stuff in something that someone has posted unless they actually make an argument in their post. There's too much bullshit to wade through on this site as it is.

If you choose to remain ignorant of my argument by being to lazy to read my link...

 

[Buck111]

Religion destroys hearts and minds...School makes them.

Watch the video I posted two posts above yours and tell me what difference there is between public schools and religion.

 

[Unkotare]

The OP is ignorant nonsense, of course.

 

[frigidweirdo]

God didn't create me, sorry, I was not made by some mythical being. I can tell you how I was made, and it started with sex.

How you were created is not relevant, as you would have learned had you read the article.

Why would I read the article? You didn't make a point for me to argue against, so....

The point was in the article and the article was a reply to your claim that one could be both a collectivist and an individual.

Yeah, well if you're too lazy to put that up here, that's your problem. I'm not going to run around looking at stuff in something that someone has posted unless they actually make an argument in their post. There's too much bullshit to wade through on this site as it is.

If you choose to remain ignorant of my argument by being to lazy to read my link...

If you choose to not bother to tell people your stuff and just redirect them...... Am I debating with you, or the person who wrote the link you provided?