Proof: The Russian Investigations are Phony and Partisan..

[westwall]

Jill Stein. A candidate for President of US that same year. A woman who actually DID influence the votes on election day and caused Hillary to lose 3 states. Because Hillary's margin of defeat in those KEY STATES was less than the votes for the Green Party. That is by definition, having the ability to ALTER the results of an election and DIRECTLY affect the votes..

The flaw, of course, is you're assuming that every vote for Stein would have been, in her absence, a vote for Clinton. You can't make that case. It's highly plausible that absent the choice of Stein (or another Green) many if not most of those votes would not have bothered to vote at all.

The other flaw is that the Green Party regularly fields a candidate, and 2016 was no exception. And Stein I believe has run before too.

Whats the significance of "they always run a candidate"? I'm not saying that she RAN just because of coordination and support from the Russians. I'm just saying that there are TONS of more evidence that she influenced absolute votes. And yet never has her name come up in the whole damn Russian investigation.. Motive and access.

As for the silly idea that any of the Greens would have voted for Trump or Gary Johnson, even if only 80% of her votes came from Clinton -- that's STILL the margin of victory in 3 states. Remember also -- the Greens TRIPLED their net pop vote in this election...

Nah, I think you're making leaps. You can choose 100%, 80%, 20%, anything you want but it's all guesswork.
I don't see how a Hillary Clinton voter would switch to Jill Stein given the stakes -- certainly not in a close state. I've cast a 3P vote like that in the past but I first made damn sure I did it in a deep red state where my vote meant nothing except the drop-in-the-bucket protest against the Duopoly that it was.

A far stronger case can be made that Stein voters genuinely wanted Jill Stein. There would be no other reason for them to do it in a swing state --- anyone who intended an anti-Clinton vote already had Rump as a choice.

We'll never know of course but I don't think you make a strong case assuming a Stein vote is a potential Clinton vote.

Wrong. It is not arguable that the Greens tripled the amount of votes they received. That is well known, thus your claim that she had no measurable effect is ridiculous.

 

[Siete]

no proof of guilt or innocence, the investigation is in progress.


like the Superbowl a halftime tied 0-0 ... no winner or loser... IT AIN'T F''N OVER !

Why is Jill Stein's ass still in the LOCKER ROOM? Isn't this suppose to be an investigation of Russian influence in the election? Ever hear her name mentioned in any press or Congressional hearings? NOPE -- you haven't. NO one on the Dem side is interested in investigating the MORE OBVIOUS influence on vote totals and the Russians. It's hypocrisy and show trial and more importantly and ALIBI for the wrong-doings of Team Blue SPYING on the political opposition...

its been my experience in the past the people who THINK/ASSUME other people are guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt end up being not guilty of anything at all.

Lois been arrested yet .


~snort

 

[flacaltenn]

its been my experience in the past the people who THINK/ASSUME other people are guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt end up being not guilty of anything at all.

Now there's some damn funny shit right there man. Congrats on your honest appraisal of the Russians are Coming investigation..

 

[Siete]

its been my experience in the past the people who THINK/ASSUME other people are guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt end up being not guilty of anything at all.

Now there's some damn funny shit right there man. Congrats on your honest appraisal of the Russians are Coming investigation..

Im not saying either way. I plan on letting the investigation take its course then form an opinion.

 

[Tehon]

its been my experience in the past the people who THINK/ASSUME other people are guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt end up being not guilty of anything at all.

Now there's some damn funny shit right there man. Congrats on your honest appraisal of the Russians are Coming investigation..

Im not saying either way. I plan on letting the investigation take its course then form an opinion.

If Trump were a Putin puppet

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Jill Stein. A candidate for President of US that same year. A woman who actually DID influence the votes on election day and caused Hillary to lose 3 states. Because Hillary's margin of defeat in those KEY STATES was less than the votes for the Green Party. That is by definition, having the ability to ALTER the results of an election and DIRECTLY affect the votes..

The flaw, of course, is you're assuming that every vote for Stein would have been, in her absence, a vote for Clinton. You can't make that case. It's highly plausible that absent the choice of Stein (or another Green) many if not most of those votes would not have bothered to vote at all.

The other flaw is that the Green Party regularly fields a candidate, and 2016 was no exception. And Stein I believe has run before too.

What flaw is that? You haven't addressed the central question and that is why is she never mentioned when for all of your faulty logic she DID have an effect on the election. And provably so.

I just got done SPELLING OUT what the flaw is. Go forth and learn how to read.

Oh and spew your "proof" once you've done that. Oughta be a hoot.

You didn't spell out anything. Lol.

 

[deanrd]

Breaking News: Kushner asked Kislyak for 'secret' communications channel with Kremlin

Looks like during the transition period, the Trump Administration looked into setting up a secret communications channel between the administration and the Russian Government. This isn't a firecracker, it's nitro.

 

[mamooth]

We liberals, of course, have always pointed out Stein was a Russian patsy. Here's just one spot where I do it.

Jill Stein: Hillary Clinton Presidency 'Mushroom Cloud Waiting To Happen'...

Thing is, Stein hasn't done anything that looks illegal. Getting paid by RT to speak isn't illegal for a private citizen. Hence, the government can't launch an investigation into her. That's how the justice system works. If something in the Trump admin investigation points at her, that should definitely be followed up on, but at this time, there's no reason for an investigation.

Flac can't understand that. He thinks big authoritarian government should investigate political enemies based on nothing but spite and butthurt. After all, it's what he'd do, and it's what his beloved Russian/Republican masters do. Sadly for him, our government doesn't work that way. Yet. He's trying to change that.

Hence, Flac's conspiracy theory craters. Flac, you'll have to find another way to run cover for your Russian/Republican masters.

 

[flacaltenn]

Breaking News: Kushner asked Kislyak for 'secret' communications channel with Kremlin

Looks like during the transition period, the Trump Administration looked into setting up a secret communications channel between the administration and the Russian Government. This isn't a firecracker, it's nitro.

That's diversion from this specific topic and there are PLENTY of threads elsewhere for you to keep ignoring what a FRAUD and an alibi these "russians altered the election" investigations are.

Did Jill Stein have OTHER contacts and collusions in her campaign that helped to end Hillary;s campaign? THAT is a NEW question that you NEVER HEARD in the WaPo or HuffPo or DNCTalkingPoints.. Why is that? If you're NOT interested -- go find the Kushner rumor thread.

 

[flacaltenn]

Thing is, Stein hasn't done anything that looks illegal. Getting paid by RT to speak isn't illegal for a private citizen. Hence, the government can't launch an investigation into her.

Just quit sniffing my butt and tell me WHY Flynn being there or alll the AMERICAN JOURNALISTS not in that picture might be a different story? And WHY her ass is not mentioned in ANY Congressional Hearings on this topic.

 

[flacaltenn]

Flac can't understand that. He thinks big authoritarian government should investigate political enemies based on nothing but spite and butthurt.

Don;'t you realize how idiotic and juvenile that sounds given tthe OP and my comments. I'm embarrassed for you.. You just don't like me. Don't destroy yourself over that. Just answer the OP questions and we'll ALL be as far ahead on this as you are...

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Hillary was just an unlikeable candidate.

Good thread though

 

[Care4all]

is Jill a former career military officer who signed an agreement to not accept payments from foreign countries

After You Go: Temporary Employment Restrictions | Military.com

That's not collusion with the Russians to alter an election is it? Sounds like an Administrative issue to me.

it's not collusion, it's just ILLEGAL for Flynn to do it the way he did...

and Comey never used the word collusion, he said coordinated....? Not certain what the actual difference is..???

 

[mamooth]

Just quit sniffing my butt and tell me WHY Flynn being there or alll the AMERICAN JOURNALISTS not in that picture might be a different story?

Because for Flynn, there was more evidence than just a photo that he did something illegal.

For Stein, there wasn't.

Just what part of "There needs to be evidence" are you having such difficultly with?

And WHY her ass is not mentioned in ANY Congressional Hearings on this topic.

Because contrary to your kook conspiracy theory, the current investigations aren't about who made Clinton lose. They're about who did something illegal. To you, everything is always about attacking the EnemiesOfTheParty, so you assume others must think like you. They don't.

Don;'t you realize how idiotic and juvenile that sounds given tthe OP and my comments. I'm embarrassed for you.. You just don't like me. Don't destroy yourself over that. Just answer the OP questions and we'll ALL be as far ahead on this as you are...

And there's that expected meltdown, the one you always have when anyone shows that you're not even close to being the smartest guy in the room. You should work on that narcissism problem.

 

[Dot Com]

This thread wasnt thought out too well

 

[flacaltenn]

Just quit sniffing my butt and tell me WHY Flynn being there or alll the AMERICAN JOURNALISTS not in that picture might be a different story?

Because for Flynn, there was more evidence than just a photo that he did something illegal.

For Stein, there wasn't.

Just what part of "There needs to be evidence" are you having such difficultly with?

And WHY her ass is not mentioned in ANY Congressional Hearings on this topic.

Because contrary to your kook conspiracy theory, the current investigations aren't about who made Clinton lose. They're about who did something illegal. To you, everything is always about attacking the EnemiesOfTheParty, so you assume others must think like you. They don't.

Don;'t you realize how idiotic and juvenile that sounds given tthe OP and my comments. I'm embarrassed for you.. You just don't like me. Don't destroy yourself over that. Just answer the OP questions and we'll ALL be as far ahead on this as you are...

And there's that expected meltdown, the one you always have when anyone shows that you're not even close to being the smartest guy in the room. You should work on that narcissism problem.

You're solely misinformed. The investigations are about the Russians TAMPERING with the US election process. Why not Jill Stein? What OTHER contacts with the Russians did she have? INFORMED people want to know...

 

[flacaltenn]

is Jill a former career military officer who signed an agreement to not accept payments from foreign countries

After You Go: Temporary Employment Restrictions | Military.com

That's not collusion with the Russians to alter an election is it? Sounds like an Administrative issue to me.

it's not collusion, it's just ILLEGAL for Flynn to do it the way he did...

and Comey never used the word collusion, he said coordinated....? Not certain what the actual difference is..???

It had nothing to do with "colluding or coordinating with the Russians". That's the bottom line. Straight Administrative detail work. OTH -- A socialist Prez candidate showing up at the SAME table with Putin in a picture widely posted to SUGGEST Flynn was colluding -- that's interesting. No? And begs the question, if you're gonna HAVE an investigation into Russian efforts to affect the election result -- what OTHER contact Stein or the Greens had. Don't you want to know that? When it's a more obvious EFFECT on the outcome of an election???

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Breaking News: Kushner asked Kislyak for 'secret' communications channel with Kremlin

Looks like during the transition period, the Trump Administration looked into setting up a secret communications channel between the administration and the Russian Government. This isn't a firecracker, it's nitro.

Again for the slow stupid and insane it is neither dishonest illegal or wrong for an elected person to set up communication with foreign governments BEFORE swearing in you RETARD.

 

[radical right]

You're solely misinformed. The investigations are about the Russians TAMPERING with the US election process. Why not Jill Stein? What OTHER contacts with the Russians did she have? INFORMED people want to know...

Had Jill Stein won the presidential election, they would be questioning her Russian contacts, and she would have openly admitted them, and the story would be over.

 

[radical right]

Q. Did you have contacts with the russians?

Jeff Sessions - I had no communications
Michael Flynn - I had no significant russian contacts
Jared Kushner - I didn't talk to the russians
Jill Stein - I went to a dinner in Moscow and sat at the table with Putin