Progressive Greatest Perversion

[Mr.Nick]

In what ways exactly will a Progressive guard my individual liberties more completely than a Conservative?

In two ways. One, conservatives claim to oppose tyranny by the government. Liberals are the ones who actually do: when the government wants to draft your kid and send him to war, or violate the due-process clauses of the Bill of Rights, it's liberals, not conservatives, that oppose this sort of thing.

And two, liberals also want to protect you from private agencies -- employers, polluters, corporate power in general -- that threaten individual liberties. Conservatives do not.

When was the last draft?

Conservatives do as much as is needed. Who is there to protect private agencies? Who determines which private agencies are the offending ones? When does protection of one group become persecution of another?

Do the private agencies you refer to have no rights? Can Boeing not build and staff a factory in any state it wishes? Who was protecting the citizens of the state in which Boeing was trying to expand when the government shut them down?

You play a dangerous and at the same time, cowardly game when you abandon all reason, all responsibility and all initiative to an all powerful government.

This is the game of Liberalism.

Progressives are narcissists....

 

[code1211]

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Naziism, by definition, demands central control of industry by the state.

It also requires Swastika symbols, and the one is no more central or properly defining than the other.

Communism, in practice, exercises central control of industry by the state.

Not quite, but since you're referring to the socialism that (in Marxist theory) precedes communism, I'll give it a pass.

Liberalism, in the USA, exerts expanding central control of industry by the state.

False. That is not a goal of liberals.

Conservatism, in the USA, strives to relax the central control of industry by the state.

False. That is not a goal of conservatives, although they sometimes pretend it is.

In the preceding post you said fairly clearly that Conservativism relaxes control and the Liberalism protects the individual from the excesses of the private interest. Now you say it does the opposite? You need to decide what it is you believe and stick to it.

Again, in the previous post you are bragging that Liberals exert expanding control of the society to protect the individual. You really need to find a philosophy that allows you maintain a particular point of view from one post to the next.

I was not referring to Marxism but, as I stated fairly clearly, "in practice".

The Swastika was a symbol. What has that to do with anything? The Swastika was also a symbol used by various American Indian tribes and had nothing to do with Naziism.

You need to step it up.

 

[code1211]

Mark Levin is also a liar.

No. He speaks the truth. This explains why YOU now lie.

The truth literally seems to cause you physical pain.

The modern liberal DOES, clearly, believe in the supremacy of the State. This is why you idiots chafe so much at the RESTRAINTS against governmental action imposed by the Constitution.

The modern progressive believes in supremacy of the federal government over the states.

The modern progressive would probably burn the Bill of Rights since it limits the federal governments power.

In reality a progressive is no different than a federalist.

Unfortunately many republicans swayed from the party over the last 30 or so years and are no better than their progressive buddies.

Ironically it's really the republicans that are liberal - at least ideologically speaking. This RINO shit is new given the historical position of the party.

As I understand it, Federalism is not contrary to a Central Government joining the various states. Stronger than a confederacy, but not the same a single whole.

The Founders were Federalists.

The liberals of today are statists.

 

[Mr.Nick]

No. He speaks the truth. This explains why YOU now lie.

The truth literally seems to cause you physical pain.

The modern liberal DOES, clearly, believe in the supremacy of the State. This is why you idiots chafe so much at the RESTRAINTS against governmental action imposed by the Constitution.

The modern progressive believes in supremacy of the federal government over the states.

The modern progressive would probably burn the Bill of Rights since it limits the federal governments power.

In reality a progressive is no different than a federalist.

Unfortunately many republicans swayed from the party over the last 30 or so years and are no better than their progressive buddies.

Ironically it's really the republicans that are liberal - at least ideologically speaking. This RINO shit is new given the historical position of the party.

As I understand it, Federalism is not contrary to a Central Government joining the various states. Stronger than a confederacy, but not the same a single whole.

The Founders were Federalists.

The liberals of today are statists.

You are close...

I would hope federalism is self explanatory. Our Amendment X should be as well.

Progressives don't care...

 

[Liability]

It is mystifying that so many liberals (in particular) get so confused and turned around by the COMPETING elements of the Constitutionally limited Republic we have crafted for ourselves.

We deliberately created a government and a FORM of government with limits, checks and balances, etc.

But, our goal was NOT to create a government that was incapable of functioning.

Our goal was to create a workable, functioning government while at the same time hobbling it from being able to assume unauthorized powers.

If modern day Americans could learn to keep that dual nature in mind, I figure a great many of our debates and more than half of our strife would be ironed out.

 

[tinydancer]

One of the progressive perversions is subterfuge. Progressives won't even admit to being liberals. They get into the greenie movement and pervert it to the point that the green movement becomes anti-American.

Whitehall is not a liar, I think. Just a fool.

Where did you get the idea that progressives have a problem with being called "liberal"?
Why do you think the environmentalist movement has been "infiltrated" by progressives, when it obviously is, itself, progressive? What makes you call it anti-American?

When the politics of the environment is more important than protecting the environment, then, yea.... I'd suggest that is a problem. It sickens me, as someone who cares very much for the environment, that I cannot do so without ascribing to some asinine political views along with it.

Hence the term 'watermelon' is given to those who use the environment for political gain. If those people actually cared about the environment, they would not use it for politics.

whoa geeze

The watermelon tag is crucial. It's the ability to point out how faux enviromentalists think they are green on the outside but red on the inside. This is a Delingpole moment. And James deserves credit for saving us all from the Gore mania called Man bear pig.

I stand as a conservationist. And my creds are impeccable. Enviro weenies piss me clean off.

I've done so many years with Ducks Unlimited to gain properties to reclaim swamp land.

I live it. And I love it

If I invite you to a bbq darlin get ready to put yourself in a slather of mosquito spray (cabbage moths will love you too) but the worst are the biting ladybugs.

No shit. They'll take a chunk out of your arm. And after about the sixth bite, lady bug lady bug fly the way home won't work and you begin a crusade to crush the little buggers.

I digress.

Have mercy on us who talk about the watermelon. It's a term that Delingpole created to describe enviromentalists. Green on the outside and very red on the inside.

 

[daveman]

A more specific allegation was made, which was that the environmental movement has been "infiltrated" by "progressives" and has become "anti-American." I won't try to argue that all positions taken by environmentalists make sense in terms of protecting the environment or resource husbandry; there is a range of intelligence and rationality in the movement as there is everywhere.

But this thread is founded on a lie that equates progressives/liberals with Communists. That's just bullshit, always has been, and today it's not even politically sensible bullshit, the Cold War having ended more than twenty years ago. Anyone born in the 1980s who saw that allegation wouldn't even call it a lie, as I do, they'd just go, "Huh? What the fuck are you talking about?"

The same is true of the term "Watermelon" that you so love to use. The implication that environmentalists are really Communists in disguise is nonsense. Unlike most people on this forum I suspect, I've actually studied Marx, Engels, Lenin, etc. and have some understanding of what Communism is about, and I can tell the difference easily. The allegation was always a lie, capitalizing on the irrational fear of Communism that prevailed during the Cold War (irrational not because Communism wasn't a bad system, but because its chances of being implemented here were, and remain, zero). Because of that widespread fear, it was a politically useful lie in those days, a way to smear anything liberal. But with the end of the Cold War, it isn't even that.

'The Modern Liberal believes in the supremacy of the state.... For the Modern Liberal, the individual's imperfection and personal pursuits impede the objectives of a utopian state. In this, Modern Liberalism promotes what French Historian Alexis de Tocqueville called soft tyranny, which becomes increasingly more oppressive, partially leading to hard tyranny.... As the word "liberal" is, in its classical meaning, the opposite of authoritarian, it is more accurate, therefore, to characterize the Modern Liberal as a Statist.'

Mark Levin

Okay, now I see the problem.

rw's have no clue what "The Modern Liberal" believes.

Your problem is we understand it better than you do. You see, we don't just pay attention to what you say. We pay attention to what you do.

 

[daveman]

Your kidding right??

You guys hate it when your pointed out to be 'liberal'. There was several threads here recently about the fact that you all want to be called 'progressive' now

As for the environmental movement, its anti-capitalist and a joke! It has become a religion rather than a science.
Sure we need regulations, but MY GAWD... the red tape and beaurocratic BS you have to wade thru is flat ridiculous.

But you 'libs' love big gov't.

The progressive liberals I know are quite proud of the fact, as am I. If I were rw/pub/bag right now, I'd be hanging my head in shame. OTOH, if I were rw (etc), I probably wouldn't know just how dumb that really is.

The op is dumb, makes no sense, inflammatory for the sake of being inflammatory.

I am proud to call myself a liberal too. Nutters tried to make it a word describing weakness....you know.....limp-wristed, bleeding-heart, flaming.......but it does not stick. Nutters ought to be thankful that we liberals are rule of law type people. Otherwise, they'd not stand a chance.

Leftists do seem to want to turn to violence in the face of disagreement a lot, don't they?

 

[daveman]

Nonsense.

There’s been no greater ally of the Constitution and civil liberties than liberals. During the 50s and 60s alone progressive jurists fought for the rights of average Americans against conservative efforts to expand the size of government and its authority:

So why did you throw that legacy away? Because now you're rapidly expanding the size of government and its authority to the detriment of the rights of average Americans.

 

[Mr.Nick]

The progressive liberals I know are quite proud of the fact, as am I. If I were rw/pub/bag right now, I'd be hanging my head in shame. OTOH, if I were rw (etc), I probably wouldn't know just how dumb that really is.

The op is dumb, makes no sense, inflammatory for the sake of being inflammatory.

I am proud to call myself a liberal too. Nutters tried to make it a word describing weakness....you know.....limp-wristed, bleeding-heart, flaming.......but it does not stick. Nutters ought to be thankful that we liberals are rule of law type people. Otherwise, they'd not stand a chance.

Leftists do seem to want to turn to violence in the face of disagreement a lot, don't they?

They're flies tho ...

They'd use infant babies against any opposition - Oh yeah I forgot they already did and do.

I suppose that act defines their position as progressives.

It should considering they're cowards.

 

[techieny]

Lefties are NOT limp wristed they are limp minded. Many do hold a guilt ridden mind set, but so do many moderate conservatives. I think its called white jackass man's burden. That said, let's all stop the finger pointing. You would be much better off sticking that finger up your ass! AloneLaugher

 

[daveman]

I am proud to call myself a liberal too. Nutters tried to make it a word describing weakness....you know.....limp-wristed, bleeding-heart, flaming.......but it does not stick. Nutters ought to be thankful that we liberals are rule of law type people. Otherwise, they'd not stand a chance.

Leftists do seem to want to turn to violence in the face of disagreement a lot, don't they?

They're flies tho ...

They'd use infant babies against any opposition - Oh yeah I forgot they already did and do.

I suppose that act defines their position as progressives.

It should considering they're cowards.

That's why they need government to make their decisions for them.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Lefties are NOT limp wristed they are limp minded. Many do hold a guilt ridden mind set, but so do many moderate conservatives. I think its called white jackass man's burden. That said, let's all stop the finger pointing. You would be much better off sticking that finger up your ass! AloneLaugher

I believe I can diagnose the disease known as progressivism..

There are many misguided democrats as well...

The left and the right both have it wrong..

 

[Mr.Nick]

Leftists do seem to want to turn to violence in the face of disagreement a lot, don't they?

They're flies tho ...

They'd use infant babies against any opposition - Oh yeah I forgot they already did and do.

I suppose that act defines their position as progressives.

It should considering they're cowards.

That's why they need government to make their decisions for them.

I suppose they need to eat

 

[theliq]

Nowhere is the perversion of Progressive ideology greater than in how they handle their greatest successes.

For example, when they win the call their nation the "Peoples Republic" (China, North Korea and Vietnam). Of course, the people in these "People Republics" are nothing but slaves to an all powerful government. Until the governments adopted Free Market reforms, people starved by the million.

In the USA, we are, or were, a genuine People's Republic, our Constitution limited the power and reach of the government. And what do Progressives seek to do here? To undermine the people freedoms in the one genuine Peoples Republic on the planet and have an all-powerful government that will control and direct every human activity, just like the Progressive Peoples Republic of China, Korea and Vietnam

It's perverted.

But saying all that folk in the western world are still slaves to a degree,what you forgot to mention is,that the western world are happy to see others enslaved by the purchasing of cheap goods from say CHINA but won't support US made goods......what is your response to that.......the Chinese are increasing in wealth remembering there are over 1 million Chinese who are now millionairs and above...now America has 8.4 million millionaires,its just time now with the growth of China they should catch up with and pass the US within 17 years..........not forgetting the incredible wealth growth in China in the past 10 years..tl

 

[daveman]

They're flies tho ...

They'd use infant babies against any opposition - Oh yeah I forgot they already did and do.

I suppose that act defines their position as progressives.

It should considering they're cowards.

That's why they need government to make their decisions for them.

I suppose they need to eat

So much for survival of the fittest, huh?

 

[daveman]

Nowhere is the perversion of Progressive ideology greater than in how they handle their greatest successes.

For example, when they win the call their nation the "Peoples Republic" (China, North Korea and Vietnam). Of course, the people in these "People Republics" are nothing but slaves to an all powerful government. Until the governments adopted Free Market reforms, people starved by the million.

In the USA, we are, or were, a genuine People's Republic, our Constitution limited the power and reach of the government. And what do Progressives seek to do here? To undermine the people freedoms in the one genuine Peoples Republic on the planet and have an all-powerful government that will control and direct every human activity, just like the Progressive Peoples Republic of China, Korea and Vietnam

It's perverted.

But saying all that folk in the western world are still slaves to a degree,what you forgot to mention is,that the western world are happy to see others enslaved by the purchasing of cheap goods from say CHINA but won't support US made goods......what is your response to that.......the Chinese are increasing in wealth remembering there are over 2oo million Chinese who are now millionairs and above...now America can't say the same???????can it.tl

You really think 2/3 of America can be millionaires?

 

[theliq]

Nowhere is the perversion of Progressive ideology greater than in how they handle their greatest successes.

For example, when they win the call their nation the "Peoples Republic" (China, North Korea and Vietnam). Of course, the people in these "People Republics" are nothing but slaves to an all powerful government. Until the governments adopted Free Market reforms, people starved by the million.

In the USA, we are, or were, a genuine People's Republic, our Constitution limited the power and reach of the government. And what do Progressives seek to do here? To undermine the people freedoms in the one genuine Peoples Republic on the planet and have an all-powerful government that will control and direct every human activity, just like the Progressive Peoples Republic of China, Korea and Vietnam

It's perverted.

But saying all that folk in the western world are still slaves to a degree,what you forgot to mention is,that the western world are happy to see others enslaved by the purchasing of cheap goods from say CHINA but won't support US made goods......what is your response to that.......the Chinese are increasing in wealth remembering there are over 2oo million Chinese who are now millionairs and above...now America can't say the same???????can it.tl

You really think 2/3 of America can be millionaires?

Dave my original figure was way out I thought it was 2million Chinese but its only 1 million,why I typed in 200 million was an error.....but thanks for your quick response,mind you the growth of millionaires in China is rapid indeed.steve

 

[daveman]

But saying all that folk in the western world are still slaves to a degree,what you forgot to mention is,that the western world are happy to see others enslaved by the purchasing of cheap goods from say CHINA but won't support US made goods......what is your response to that.......the Chinese are increasing in wealth remembering there are over 2oo million Chinese who are now millionairs and above...now America can't say the same???????can it.tl

You really think 2/3 of America can be millionaires?

Dave my original figure was way out I thought it was 2million Chinese but its only 1 million,why I typed in 200 million was an error.....but thanks for your quick response,mind you the growth of millionaires in China is rapid indeed.steve

Good for the Chinese. It's about time the progressive Communist stranglehold on them was loosened.

 

[Mr.Nick]

That's why they need government to make their decisions for them.

I suppose they need to eat

So much for survival of the fittest, huh?

That's another great example - they are pro evolution but cry about being obligated to catch their own fish.



Maybe mommy brings home the food while they play World of Warcraft???