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Pro abortion and Nazism
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Well it's one link, shows some of the more interesting parallels.
They aren't interesting, and they aren't parallels.
Nosmo King
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Barry Goldwater sat on the board of Planned Parenthood.
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The Nazis were big on killing their opponents, but notice that kg has not discussed the part where aryans were forbidden to abort, were encouraged to procreate. Also notice that kg can't make a link between the Nazis and the American pro-choice movement today.
She has come very close to spamming if anyone wants to notice.
She has come very close to spamming if anyone wants to notice.
The Nazis were big on killing their opponents, but notice that kg has not discussed the part where aryans were forbidden to abort, were encouraged to procreate. Also notice that kg can't make a link between the Nazis and the American pro-choice movement today.
She has come very close to spamming if anyone wants to notice.
well, at least she kept her spam in one thread.
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Well it's one link, shows some of the more interesting parallels.
They aren't interesting, and they aren't parallels.
Uh, yes, they are.
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The Nazis were big on killing their opponents, but notice that kg has not discussed the part where aryans were forbidden to abort, were encouraged to procreate. Also notice that kg can't make a link between the Nazis and the American pro-choice movement today.
She has come very close to spamming if anyone wants to notice.
well, at least she kept her spam in one thread.
close to spamming?
Lol...spoken like somebody who's at some point gotten an infraction and still doesn't understand the rules....
Ravi
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Hitler was a vegetarian.
Hitler liked dogs.
Hitler forced women to bear children.
Some lefties are vegetarians.
Lefties like animals.
Lefties think women should make their own choices, not the government.
Therefore, lefties are Hitler and Hitler is a lefty.
Lather, rinse, repeat
Hitler liked dogs.
Hitler forced women to bear children.
Some lefties are vegetarians.
Lefties like animals.
Lefties think women should make their own choices, not the government.
Therefore, lefties are Hitler and Hitler is a lefty.
Lather, rinse, repeat
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Incidentally, I think the nuance of the discussion have escaped you...it's not a discussion about parallels with Hitler...
This is a discussion about how the arguments used to support abortion are the same arguments the Nazis used.
I know, it's difficult to grasp, but maybe now you can really jump in.
This is a discussion about how the arguments used to support abortion are the same arguments the Nazis used.
I know, it's difficult to grasp, but maybe now you can really jump in.
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nearly 1 out of every 3 conceived. They are being terminated in an elaborate network of killing centers."
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http://www.abortionno.org/pdf/whyabortionisgenocide.pdf
We call this endeavor the Genocide Awareness Project (GAP) because
Webster's New World Encyclopedia, Prentice Hall
General Reference, 1992, defines "genocide" as "The deliberate and systematic destruction of a national, racial, religious,
political, cultural, ethnic, or other group defined by the exterminators as undesirable." That definition readily applies to
abortion. The "national group" is American "unwanted" unborn children and they are now being destroyed at the rate of
General Reference, 1992, defines "genocide" as "The deliberate and systematic destruction of a national, racial, religious,
political, cultural, ethnic, or other group defined by the exterminators as undesirable." That definition readily applies to
abortion. The "national group" is American "unwanted" unborn children and they are now being destroyed at the rate of
nearly 1 out of every 3 conceived. They are being terminated in an elaborate network of killing centers."
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Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, declared war on "unwanted" children
with her motto, "every child a wanted child." Planned Parenthood of Minnesota/South Dakota, for instance, has run newspaper
advertisements which read in part "BABIES ARE LOUD, SMELLY, AND EXPENSIVE. UNLESS YOU WANT ONE. 1-
800-230-PLAN." This hate-filled attack on "unwanted" unborn babies is couched in the language of bigotry. This is the
dehumanizing rhetoric of genocide. Substitute for the word "babies" the name of any racial group and every mainstream
newspaper in the country would rightly reject this mean-spirited ad."with her motto, "every child a wanted child." Planned Parenthood of Minnesota/South Dakota, for instance, has run newspaper
advertisements which read in part "BABIES ARE LOUD, SMELLY, AND EXPENSIVE. UNLESS YOU WANT ONE. 1-
800-230-PLAN." This hate-filled attack on "unwanted" unborn babies is couched in the language of bigotry. This is the
dehumanizing rhetoric of genocide. Substitute for the word "babies" the name of any racial group and every mainstream
"
On August 9th, 1999 the Associated Press reported a story headlined "Study suggests link between crime drop, legal abortions,"
with a sub-headline which said "Researchers conclude that unwanted children are the most likely to break the law."
The authors also conclude that unwanted children are most likely to commit crimes as adults and those most
likely to give birth to unwanted children are teen-agers, minorities and the poor. Those are also the people
most likely to choose abortion, the study found.
* * *
Judge Richard Posner, chief judge of the 7th U.S. Court of Appeals in Chicago called it '...a demonstration of
the common-sensical point that unwanted children are quite likely not to turn out to be the best citizens.'
Is the judge saying that a high percentage racial minorities don't turn out to be "the best citizens?" Would he advocate the
killing of "unwanted" minority newborn children?" How does he feel about killing "unwanted" minority children butchered in
the process of being born (as in "partial-birth" abortion)? Where and why would he draw the age line in targeting minority
children for genocide?"with a sub-headline which said "Researchers conclude that unwanted children are the most likely to break the law."
The authors also conclude that unwanted children are most likely to commit crimes as adults and those most
likely to give birth to unwanted children are teen-agers, minorities and the poor. Those are also the people
most likely to choose abortion, the study found.
* * *
Judge Richard Posner, chief judge of the 7th U.S. Court of Appeals in Chicago called it '...a demonstration of
the common-sensical point that unwanted children are quite likely not to turn out to be the best citizens.'
Is the judge saying that a high percentage racial minorities don't turn out to be "the best citizens?" Would he advocate the
killing of "unwanted" minority newborn children?" How does he feel about killing "unwanted" minority children butchered in
the process of being born (as in "partial-birth" abortion)? Where and why would he draw the age line in targeting minority
http://www.abortionno.org/pdf/whyabortionisgenocide.pdf
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poor, rural Vermonters, Abenaki Indians and other people deemed unfit to reproduce [emphasis added]."
http://www.abortionno.org/pdf/whyabortionisgenocide.pdf
This practice of dehumanizing disfavored minorities also helped facilitate genocide against Native Americans. According to
Donald Slotkin' s
Donald Slotkin' s
Regeneration Through Violence, Wesleyan University Press, 1973, William Bradford, governor of the
Massachusetts Bay Colony, set the tone for countless whites who would denounce the Indian as "a wild beast...." In 1881,
writing in The American Law Review, 15 (January):21-37, legal scholar George F. Canfield opined that "an Indian is not a
person within the meaning of the Constitution." He added that:
Congress may prevent an Indian leaving his reservation, and while he is on a reservation it may deprive him
of his liberty, his property, his life.... Congress may break its treaties with him as it may repeal a statute.
It was then broadly legal to kill Native Americans.
According to Parade magazine, Sunday, July 18, 1999, American Indians are "...the country' s poorest, sickest and leasteducated
minority. They have the highest suicide rate and lowest life expectancy. Alcohol addiction is rampant." Their plight
is no doubt a product of their terrible mistreatment by the dominant culture.
Massachusetts Bay Colony, set the tone for countless whites who would denounce the Indian as "a wild beast...." In 1881,
writing in The American Law Review, 15 (January):21-37, legal scholar George F. Canfield opined that "an Indian is not a
person within the meaning of the Constitution." He added that:
Congress may prevent an Indian leaving his reservation, and while he is on a reservation it may deprive him
of his liberty, his property, his life.... Congress may break its treaties with him as it may repeal a statute.
It was then broadly legal to kill Native Americans.
According to Parade magazine, Sunday, July 18, 1999, American Indians are "...the country' s poorest, sickest and leasteducated
minority. They have the highest suicide rate and lowest life expectancy. Alcohol addiction is rampant." Their plight
is no doubt a product of their terrible mistreatment by the dominant culture.
The Orange County Register
(CA) carried a Boston Globe story on August 8th, 1999, headlined "Records detail Vermont
sterilization project," with a subhead which read" Social scientists in the '20s and '30s hoped to weed out 'degenerate'
bloodlines." The story reported:
... the Vermont Eugenics Survey's 12 year study of 'good' families and 'bad' families, which was widely
circulated among policy-makers and culminated in a law providing for the sterilization of several hundred
sterilization project," with a subhead which read" Social scientists in the '20s and '30s hoped to weed out 'degenerate'
bloodlines." The story reported:
... the Vermont Eugenics Survey's 12 year study of 'good' families and 'bad' families, which was widely
circulated among policy-makers and culminated in a law providing for the sterilization of several hundred
poor, rural Vermonters, Abenaki Indians and other people deemed unfit to reproduce [emphasis added]."
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http://www.abortionno.org/pdf/whyabortionisgenocide.pdf
Orthodox Jewish Rabbi Yehuda Levin of Brooklyn, New York, a prominent pro-life activist, agrees that abortion is genocide. He
says that it can fairly be compared to the Holocaust, lynchings and every other crime against humanity. The rabbi argues that:
Each form of genocide, whether Holocaust, lynching, abortion, etc., differs from all the others in the motives
and methods of its perpetrators. But each form of genocide is identical to all the others in that it involves the
systematic slaughter, as state sanctioned "choice," of innocent, defenseless victims -- while denying their
"personhood."says that it can fairly be compared to the Holocaust, lynchings and every other crime against humanity. The rabbi argues that:
Each form of genocide, whether Holocaust, lynching, abortion, etc., differs from all the others in the motives
and methods of its perpetrators. But each form of genocide is identical to all the others in that it involves the
systematic slaughter, as state sanctioned "choice," of innocent, defenseless victims -- while denying their
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Many Americans defend "choice" by denying that they are "pro-abortion." They assert that they are actually "personally
opposed" to abortion but don't believe they have the right to impose that "choice" on others. But most people who refuse to
legislate morality on abortion, will rightly outlaw the "choice" to brutalize African Americans. The effort to outlaw abortion, like
the campaign to outlaw racial injustice, isn't merely about personal morality. It is not merely about what a person
does. It is
about what a person does to another person.
The government should stay out of people's bedrooms (at least until abortions start being performed there), but government
neutrality on genocide is a myth, whether the victim class is defined in terms of age (as in abortion), race, ethnicity or religion,
etc. If the government suddenly withdrew legal protections for African Americans, would the government be "staying out of
race," or would it be taking the side of those who think the lynching of African Americans should be a matter of "personal
choice?" Such governmental "neutrality" would obviously abandon blacks to renewed genocide (A "Whites Only" Web site
asserted on the Internet that John William King, convicted of lynching African American James Bird, Jr. by dragging him to
death behind a pickup truck in Jasper, Texas, was guilty only of "animal cruelty," according to Newsweek, March 8, 1999).
Would a person be seizing the moral high ground by saying "I am personally opposed to lynching blacks, I just don' t think
lynching blacks should be against the law?" Would the "moderate," progressive position on race be to say "I don' t advocate
the lynching of blacks but I do believe in the right to lynch blacks?" Neither is it "moderate" or progressive to make that
argument against unborn children.
Racist "states' rights" advocates, in fact, once embraced the classic "pro-choice" position: They argued that if abolitionists
didn't like slavery, their remedy was to not buy blacks. Like abortion today, the government didn't mandate slavery, it was a
matter of personal "choice." Unlike abortion today, the government didn't subsidize slavery for whites too poor to buy their
own Negroes. But those who "chose" slavery argued that they had a constitutional right to protect their property. No "outside
agitator" had the right to shove their abolitionist (or integrationist during the "Jim Crow" period) morality down the throats of
opposed" to abortion but don't believe they have the right to impose that "choice" on others. But most people who refuse to
legislate morality on abortion, will rightly outlaw the "choice" to brutalize African Americans. The effort to outlaw abortion, like
the campaign to outlaw racial injustice, isn't merely about personal morality. It is not merely about what a person
does. It is
about what a person does to another person.
The government should stay out of people's bedrooms (at least until abortions start being performed there), but government
neutrality on genocide is a myth, whether the victim class is defined in terms of age (as in abortion), race, ethnicity or religion,
etc. If the government suddenly withdrew legal protections for African Americans, would the government be "staying out of
race," or would it be taking the side of those who think the lynching of African Americans should be a matter of "personal
choice?" Such governmental "neutrality" would obviously abandon blacks to renewed genocide (A "Whites Only" Web site
asserted on the Internet that John William King, convicted of lynching African American James Bird, Jr. by dragging him to
death behind a pickup truck in Jasper, Texas, was guilty only of "animal cruelty," according to Newsweek, March 8, 1999).
Would a person be seizing the moral high ground by saying "I am personally opposed to lynching blacks, I just don' t think
lynching blacks should be against the law?" Would the "moderate," progressive position on race be to say "I don' t advocate
the lynching of blacks but I do believe in the right to lynch blacks?" Neither is it "moderate" or progressive to make that
argument against unborn children.
Racist "states' rights" advocates, in fact, once embraced the classic "pro-choice" position: They argued that if abolitionists
didn't like slavery, their remedy was to not buy blacks. Like abortion today, the government didn't mandate slavery, it was a
matter of personal "choice." Unlike abortion today, the government didn't subsidize slavery for whites too poor to buy their
own Negroes. But those who "chose" slavery argued that they had a constitutional right to protect their property. No "outside
agitator" had the right to shove their abolitionist (or integrationist during the "Jim Crow" period) morality down the throats of
the planter class or the Ku Klux Klan."
http://www.abortionno.org/pdf/whyabortionisgenocide.pdf
Neotrotsky
Council to Supreme Soviet
"
Naxism and Abortion
"...abortion is a necessary evil that we must accept out of respect for life."
- Dr. Ley, Nazi racial hygienist, on having "quality," "planned" children, at a meeting on June 15, 1937 with Nazi SS head, Heinrich Himmler. PSR, R320/N518, pp. 85-88. "
Interesting
Did you ever see
Magaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood
Interesting read
A Dark Past
A fair-minded person cannot read Sangers books, articles, and pamphlets today without finding similarities not only to Nazi eugenics but to the dark dystopias of the feminist imagination found in such allegories as Margaret Atwoods Handmaids Tale
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Council to Supreme Soviet
Some of her more famous lines ....
On the right of married couples to bear children:
Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932
On the purpose of birth control:
The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)
On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people
On the right of married couples to bear children:
Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932
On the purpose of birth control:
The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)
On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people
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I've heard those arguments right on this site.
Couched in slightly different terms. People start to froth at the mouth when they talk about the horror of bearing a child that "might" have a birth defect or "might" die, or "might" have other issues.
And today they talk about protecting the earth from overpopulation, as well as protecting the quality of our "breeders"...nobody steps up to remove themselves, but they're all about removing the dead weight of the elderly, the babies of the poor and drug addicted, coma victims, etc.
Couched in slightly different terms. People start to froth at the mouth when they talk about the horror of bearing a child that "might" have a birth defect or "might" die, or "might" have other issues.
And today they talk about protecting the earth from overpopulation, as well as protecting the quality of our "breeders"...nobody steps up to remove themselves, but they're all about removing the dead weight of the elderly, the babies of the poor and drug addicted, coma victims, etc.
oooooh, I hate Anti-Abortion threads.
Because if you want to ever see a more irrational bunch of people, it's those who think we can actually outlaw abortion.
Let's get real. Abortions happen whether they are legal or not. when Roe v. Wade was decided, you would think that the birth rate would have dropped dramatically. Well, nope. it didn't. It did drop in the mid 1960's at the end of the baby boom, but it levelled off in the 1970's and then started to creep up again.
Then you have a country like the Philippines, where they have outlawed abortion, but women still have them. And they drop the fetuses outside churches so they have a state of grace.
NOw, all this silliness about "Godwins" aside, the fact is, those who use the Bible to justify their misogyny. Here's the thing- the Bible didn't consider killing a fetus that big a deal.
In short- kill a fetus- pay a fine. This is the same "Holy Book" that says you should be killed for working on the sabbath, believing in a God other than Yahweh (he needs a hug), being gay, having sex with animals, not being a virgin on your wedding night, having an animal that kills someone, and not crying out during a rape.
But a fetus. Meh. Pay a fine.
Because if you want to ever see a more irrational bunch of people, it's those who think we can actually outlaw abortion.
Let's get real. Abortions happen whether they are legal or not. when Roe v. Wade was decided, you would think that the birth rate would have dropped dramatically. Well, nope. it didn't. It did drop in the mid 1960's at the end of the baby boom, but it levelled off in the 1970's and then started to creep up again.
Then you have a country like the Philippines, where they have outlawed abortion, but women still have them. And they drop the fetuses outside churches so they have a state of grace.
NOw, all this silliness about "Godwins" aside, the fact is, those who use the Bible to justify their misogyny. Here's the thing- the Bible didn't consider killing a fetus that big a deal.
Exodus 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
In short- kill a fetus- pay a fine. This is the same "Holy Book" that says you should be killed for working on the sabbath, believing in a God other than Yahweh (he needs a hug), being gay, having sex with animals, not being a virgin on your wedding night, having an animal that kills someone, and not crying out during a rape.
But a fetus. Meh. Pay a fine.
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