Police: Juveniles laughed after setting 15-year-old on fire

Well of course I blame the parents for letting them play the damn games, and watch the movies. I'm not saying playing video games and watching movies is bad, but moderation is key... kids don't know how to be moderate in nothing.

And you are right that they're monsters... I just think desensitization plays a major role, that's all.

Except you don't know whether these kids play Grand Theft Auto or any other video game obsessively. You're jumping to conclusions with no evidence.

I've been watching horror movies and playing violent video games since I was 10. I've seen pretty much every single bloody American horror movie there is that's any good and now making my way to the Japanese ones because that's where horror is at now a days. So it's not even about moderation, it's about being taught by your parents what's right and what's wrong.

It's also about not being fucking crazy. Speaking of which, all across the world in places like Japan they watch the same movies and games we do, they even have some worse gory movies. How come they're not all doing the shit we see here in the U.S.? I'll tell you why, it's the society we have and the environment that these kids are growing up in.

Whether you agree or disagree with Michael Moore, he makes a great point about this in Bowling for Columbine. Across the world, why are other countries gun deaths so much lower? It relates to the society and media. All-fear based and such.


We were first a society of many guns and conservative values.

The guns remained, but the conservative values have been aggressively diminished.

Action now takes place within a void of consequence - be it the home, the schools, and society in general. Things such as video games and films can concentrate this imbalance even further.

Boorish behavior has gone from simply exhibited, to actively promoted. Look at such posters in here such as BikerSailor, Huggy etc. - almost every post reeks of profanity, sexism, insults, attacks, etc. Yes, the Internet has contributed to our overall decline as well - and I in no way mark myself as immune...


Boundaries have fallen, and with those basic boundaries of common decency, so too do people's understanding of acceptability, accountability, and personal responsibilty - and from there the slope becomes increasingly slippery, each generation of youth more uncertain, each preceding generation of adults more inept, and acts of outrage more common place...

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Do not mistake the term conservative in this context as political. I know of many political liberals who are quite conservative when it comes to family and values, while I know of many political conservatives who have little to no conservative values regarding family, responsibility, etc.

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It has nothing to do with Conservative values or the Internet. People have been fucked up long before the Internet, it was just never in this large numbers. Although, stuff like this probably wasn't widely reported as it could of been back then.

Conservatives do not have a monopoly on good values and morality. As much as I'm sure you'd like to look at Liberals as godless heathens who would rather commit depraved acts constantly, it's just not so.

As for people today, it's a society based off fear. How much fear has been pumped into society since after 9/11? How much fear was pumped into society going into the Iraq War? It's come clear that fear has gripped this country and has made this country believe in irrational things.

As for personal responsibility and accountability, when we have become a society of "survival of the fittest" instead of being our brother's keeper, this is what you get. We reap what we sow. If society wants to act like a bunch of self-righteous greedy pricks and if we vote in said pricks, this is the type of society we get.

Besides, how one defines decency is all based on the people at the time. I'm sure the people in the 1600's would down upon the people in the 1900's and so forth when it comes to "decency." So it's not accurate to put that into the equation.

So of course it makes perfect sense to throw out the standards and morality of religion, based on the fact "we don't need a book to tell us what to do".

I'd say the fact that with the decrease of religiousity we've seen a marked increase in reprehensible behavior.

But by all means, continue to phase it out and insist we're able to do just fine on our own without such antique structure.
 
However all the literature on the subject says that kids don't go berserck for no reason, ever. They're perception may be skewed, but it's skewed for a reason.

Not true, I've read several books about the psyche of serial killers and violent criminals with how some of them are born that way. Personally, it's not farfetched to believe that there is some sort of gene or something in the brain from a very young age that is mutated or twisted.

Example: Young children have a tendency (boys at the very least) to want to kill small animals to a various degree. You know, the whole ants and magnify glass. What happens with serial killers is that they don't stop like most young boys do. They continue and the fulfillment from killing small animals doesn't satisfy them eventually. So they dream about killing someone and eventually that dream becomes a reality.

Now plenty of violent criminals have great parents and some have crap parents. There's not one significant event that makes them do the things they do. So what does it?
 
However all the literature on the subject says that kids don't go berserck for no reason, ever. They're perception may be skewed, but it's skewed for a reason.

Not true, I've read several books about the psyche of serial killers and violent criminals with how some of them are born that way. Personally, it's not farfetched to believe that there is some sort of gene or something in the brain from a very young age that is mutated or twisted.

Example: Young children have a tendency (boys at the very least) to want to kill small animals to a various degree. You know, the whole ants and magnify glass. What happens with serial killers is that they don't stop like most young boys do. They continue and the fulfillment from killing small animals doesn't satisfy them eventually. So they dream about killing someone and eventually that dream becomes a reality.

Now plenty of violent criminals have great parents and some have crap parents. There's not one significant event that makes them do the things they do. So what does it?


You know, I've read this somewhere or another also
 
It was a hate crime committed by hispanics against a white kid.

Did I miss something?

I dont remember reading anything about the race of either victim or perps in the story.

See this article, Teen Charged With Attempted Murder In Burn Attack - cbs4.com
White kid is the victim, ring leader of the crime is named "Mendez".
I'm stirring the pot, also from the article is this,
According to BSO, all five of the suspects have had run-ins with the law before.
Previous criminal records that they were probably just slapped on the wrist for.
 
Do not mistake the term conservative in this context as political. I know of many political liberals who are quite conservative when it comes to family and values, while I know of many political conservatives who have little to no conservative values regarding family, responsibility, etc.

I would love to see how you define Conservative when it comes to family and values. Especially since I don't like the way you're going if you're saying Social Conservatism.
 
It was a hate crime committed by hispanics against a white kid.

Did I miss something?

I dont remember reading anything about the race of either victim or perps in the story.

See this article, Teen Charged With Attempted Murder In Burn Attack - cbs4.com
White kid is the victim, ring leader of the crime is named "Mendez".
I'm stirring the pot, also from the article is this,
According to BSO, all five of the suspects have had run-ins with the law before.
Previous criminal records that they were probably just slapped on the wrist for.

Stirring the pot.

Should have fucking known. :lol::lol:
 
So of course it makes perfect sense to throw out the standards and morality of religion, based on the fact "we don't need a book to tell us what to do".

I'd say the fact that with the decrease of religiousity we've seen a marked increase in reprehensible behavior.

But by all means, continue to phase it out and insist we're able to do just fine on our own without such antique structure.

Religion is a non-factor in this. Hitler used religion as a platform to get his mission across.

This has nothing to do with religion. Again, religion does not have a monopoly on solid values. Just remember, it's wars due to religion that have cost the most lives in human history.

If anything, philosophies like Confucianism and Buddhism are peaceful. Organized religions are rarely anything but.
 
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You know, I've read this somewhere or another also

Probably in a book or study. I have a huge reader on this sort of stuff and the psyche of these sort of things. I've been thinking of becoming a Criminal Justice major actually.
 
Did I miss something?

I dont remember reading anything about the race of either victim or perps in the story.

See this article, Teen Charged With Attempted Murder In Burn Attack - cbs4.com
White kid is the victim, ring leader of the crime is named "Mendez".
I'm stirring the pot, also from the article is this,
According to BSO, all five of the suspects have had run-ins with the law before.
Previous criminal records that they were probably just slapped on the wrist for.

Stirring the pot.

Should have fucking known. :lol::lol:
OK, maybe it was a love crime.
Mendez is still a hispanic name, and the photograph of the victim makes it pretty obvious he was white.
 
It was a hate crime committed by hispanics against a white kid.

Did I miss something?

I dont remember reading anything about the race of either victim or perps in the story.

See this article, Teen Charged With Attempted Murder In Burn Attack - cbs4.com
White kid is the victim, ring leader of the crime is named "Mendez".
I'm stirring the pot, also from the article is this,
According to BSO, all five of the suspects have had run-ins with the law before.
Previous criminal records that they were probably just slapped on the wrist for.


Sad but true - and a direct result of our ever-increasing Nanny State.

Whomever stated that if we are "not our brother's keeper" that bad things will happen - yes indeed, you are correct, but you do not appear to understand the moral implications of that directive.

To be someone's keeper designates a responsibility to provide motivation and responsibility for that charge so that they can themselves move on as productive members of society. The political liberal policies of this country breed rampant contempt for both the tenents of hard work, achievement, and personal responsibility - we have become a nation of demanded instant gratification - and dependent upon the government to give it to us, thus beholden to that same government. This leads to villification of morality, and self worth - and while this situation has been a part of out country's fabric for some time now, it is becoming increasingly common, as well as dangerous.

Pride has taken a back seat to contempt...


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OK, maybe it was a love crime.
Mendez is still a hispanic name, and the photograph of the victim makes it pretty obvious he was white.

Did you bother to read my OP? It was over $40 that the victim did not pay back for a video game. They stole the father's bike, the cops were called, one of the attackers was arrested, and then they set the kid on fire. This is not a hate crime, it's a disgusting crime over $40.
 
The political liberal policies of this country breed rampant contempt for both the tenents of hard work, achievement, and personal responsibility - we have become a nation of demanded instant gratification - and dependent upon the government to give it to us, thus beholden to that same government. This leads to villification of morality, and self worth - and while this situation has been a part of out country's fabric for some time now, it is becoming increasingly common, as well as dangerous.

Will you leave politics out of one thread? This is not a Liberal or Conservative issue. My god, you people need to stop with the derailing.
 
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I wonder how many of the perpetrators have fathers in the home?

That could be an interesting theory as to why. Though I've always found it interesting that the worst monsters, serial killers, much of the time had fathers but rather also dominating mother figures.
 
Did I miss something?

I dont remember reading anything about the race of either victim or perps in the story.

See this article, Teen Charged With Attempted Murder In Burn Attack - cbs4.com
White kid is the victim, ring leader of the crime is named "Mendez".
I'm stirring the pot, also from the article is this,
According to BSO, all five of the suspects have had run-ins with the law before.
Previous criminal records that they were probably just slapped on the wrist for.


Sad but true - and a direct result of our ever-increasing Nanny State.

Whomever stated that if we are "not our brother's keeper" that bad things will happen - yes indeed, you are correct, but you do not appear to understand the moral implications of that directive.

To be someone's keeper designates a responsibility to provide motivation and responsibility for that charge so that they can themselves move on as productive members of society. The political liberal policies of this country breed rampant contempt for both the tenents of hard work, achievement, and personal responsibility - we have become a nation of demanded instant gratification - and dependent upon the government to give it to us, thus beholden to that same government. This leads to villification of morality, and self worth - and while this situation has been a part of out country's fabric for some time now, it is becoming increasingly common, as well as dangerous.

Pride has taken a back seat to contempt...


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:rolleyes:

evil is apolitical.
 
OK, maybe it was a love crime.
Mendez is still a hispanic name, and the photograph of the victim makes it pretty obvious he was white.

Did you bother to read my OP? It was over $40 that the victim did not pay back for a video game. They stole the father's bike, the cops were called, one of the attackers was arrested, and then they set the kid on fire. This is not a hate crime, it's a disgusting crime over $40.

Yes, I read the OP, and had it been a black victim and white criminals, Al (Tawana Brawley) Sharpton and Jesse (I want to cut his nuts off) Jackson would be on all the MSM news channels claiming it was a hate crime and being given free air time to do it. In this case, it was a white victim, so they don't care. Sometimes you have to point out the hypocrisy.
 
See this article, Teen Charged With Attempted Murder In Burn Attack - cbs4.com
White kid is the victim, ring leader of the crime is named "Mendez".
I'm stirring the pot, also from the article is this,

Previous criminal records that they were probably just slapped on the wrist for.

Stirring the pot.

Should have fucking known. :lol::lol:
OK, maybe it was a love crime.
Mendez is still a hispanic name, and the photograph of the victim makes it pretty obvious he was white.

:lol::lol::lol:
 

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