Zone1 Perhaps the most compelling prophesy in human history.

[badger2]

Votto, below is an interesting read for sure. It's one man's opinion & It's somewhat lengthy for such a short study but worded to be easy to comprehend so one does not get lost in rhetoric.

Hitler Will Rise Again! | Christian Answer Man

By Mark W Swarbrick The Mystery of the Antichrist & the Seventh Kingdom If you find this article interesting you would probably like my book, End of Days: What the Bible Says Happens Next Available on Amazon for just five dollars - Click HERE. Most Christians know that Israel becoming a nation...

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Nazism is built into dangerous self-glossing texts such as the bible. No surprise that current media discourse is now about Trump's nazism, linking xianity's fixation on blood and immigrants. Truly infantile, two-party, either-or bullshit.

 

[Cougarbear]

One must read the entire book of Isaiah in context and from an accurate Jewish translation (such as an Artscroll/ Mesorah Publication Bible).

It was written by Isaiah who was a prophet from 619-533 B.C.E. In the original text there were no chapters and breaks.

The book was written in fluid format and therefore, must be read as a whole. When doing so, you will note that this chapter, which is known as the "Fourth Servant Song" actually begins in chapter 52 verse 13.

https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15960/jewish/Chapter-29.htm

Isaiah 53 Explained

Isaiah 53 is the fifty-third chapter of the Book of Isaiah in the Hebrew Bible. It is said that the chapter talks about Jesus, or does it? Let's find out.

jewsforjudaism.org

I don’t need “accurate“ Jewish interpretation not translation. You need faith in the real Godhead of Israel, Elohim, Jehovah(Jesus) and the Holy Ghost. The pronouns in 53 are all single speaking of one individual. You still haven’t answered where and what is the “Marvelous Book” in chapter 29 and who is the individual that is uneducated who can read and understand it. See, same thing Jesus said about Isaiah. Glory to those who can understand the miracle prophecies of Isaiah. Jews have closed their hearts and minds as you have.

 

[Cougarbear]

You were chatting to Surada but I was chatting with Jesus last night , as I sometimes do , and he apologised but said he had never heard of you when I enquired .
I got the impression you were not in his good books and I noticed he face turned quite mean looking as though this was not the first time you two have had differences .
Careful . Not someone to cross when he gets stressed

Satan has entered into your heart and mind I see. Hopefully you will still be able to correct this in time.

 

[surada]

I don’t need “accurate“ Jewish interpretation not translation. You need faith in the real Godhead of Israel, Elohim, Jehovah(Jesus) and the Holy Ghost. The pronouns in 53 are all single speaking of one individual. You still haven’t answered where and what is the “Marvelous Book” in chapter 29 and who is the individual that is uneducated who can read and understand it. See, same thing Jesus said about Isaiah. Glory to those who can understand the miracle prophecies of Isaiah. Jews have closed their hearts and minds as you have.

They are treating Israel as a single tribe.

 

[surada]

Satan has entered into your heart and mind I see. Hopefully you will still be able to correct this in time.

You have some weird ideas about Satan.

 

[Cougarbear]

They are treating Israel as a single tribe.

“They?” Yes, Jews because they have rejected Jesus the Messiah. I was following the Jewish religion for 24 years. I know what they believe and how they think. My brother’s family are very active Jews. We will be having Hannamass with them in a few days.
The only way to justify their belief is to force simple language into a complexed false narrative. Who will believe the prophet’s report of the prophecies of Jesus Christ who will take upon himself our sins if we believe our reports.
Still nothing about chapter 29 and the book? Have you found it yet?

 

[Woodznutz]

Like they borrowed "Why hast thou forsaken me" from King David.

David is poetically foretelling Jesus' crucifixion and death. Read all of Psalm 22.

 

[surada]

“They?” Yes, Jews because they have rejected Jesus the Messiah. I was following the Jewish religion for 24 years. I know what they believe and how they think. My brother’s family are very active Jews. We will be having Hannamass with them in a few days.
The only way to justify their belief is to force simple language into a complexed false narrative. Who will believe the prophet’s report of the prophecies of Jesus Christ who will take upon himself our sins if we believe our reports.
Still nothing about chapter 29 and the book? Have you found it yet?

The first time was after the Babylonian exile. Hezekiah??? Isaiah 53 is about Israel. Read all of Isaiah in context.

 

[surada]

Source?

You do realize he was at war with the Jews, why would they anoint him?

Additionally, he was not even "cut off", or murdered like the prophesy states.

No idea where you get this.

Source?

Antiochus IV died young so he was cut off. Daniel was borrowed from a much older Syrian poem called "Danel". It was written in 164 BC . The first part of it is a history series in the 6th century BC about Nebucadnezzar's court.

You're skipping 200 years of important history.

 

[surada]

Book of Daniel - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The crisis which the author of Daniel addresses is the defilement of the altar in Jerusalem in 167 BC (first introduced in chapter 8:11): the daily offering which used to take place twice a day, at morning and evening, stopped, and the phrase "evenings and mornings" recurs through the following chapters as a reminder of the missed sacrifices.

But whereas the events leading up to the sacking of the Temple in 167 BC and the immediate aftermath are remarkably accurate, the predicted war between the Syrians and the Egyptians (11:40–43) never took place, and the prophecy that Antiochus would die in Palestine (11:44–45) was inaccurate (he died in Persia).

The most probable conclusion is that the account must have been completed near the end of the reign of Antiochus but before his death in December 164 BC, or at least before news of it reached Jerusalem, and the consensus is accordingly that the book dates to the period 167–163 BC.

 

[surada]

The message of the Book of Daniel is that, just as the God of Israel saved Daniel and his friends from their enemies, so he would save all Israel in their present oppression.

The book is filled with monsters, angels, and numerology, drawn from a wide range of sources, both biblical and non-biblical, that would have had meaning in the context of 2nd-century Jewish culture, and while Christian interpreters have always viewed these as predicting events in the New Testament—"the Son of God", "the Son of Man", Christ and the Antichrist—the book's intended audience is the Jews of the 2nd century BC.

 

[surada]

The 1st Chanukah........

By 164 BCE, the Jewish revolt against the Seleucid monarchy was successful.

The Temple was liberated and rededicated. The festival of Hanukkah was instituted to celebrate this event.

Judah ordered the Temple to be cleansed, a new altar to be built in place of the polluted one and new holy vessels to be mad

 

[Cougarbear]

The first time was after the Babylonian exile. Hezekiah??? Isaiah 53 is about Israel. Read all of Isaiah in context.

So, read chapter 29 and tell me where the book is and how it came out of the ground to be translated? Come on. It must be someone in Isaiah's time according to your tribal beliefs.

 

[surada]

Satan has entered into your heart and mind I see. Hopefully you will still be able to correct this in time.

Isaiah 29:1–8 Isaiah prophesied of the destruction of Jerusalem, which occurred because of the wickedness of the people who lived there. He also referred to the Nephite nation, which would also be destroyed because of wickedness.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Daniel 9:24-27​

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24 “Seventy ‘sevens’[a] are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish[b] transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.[c]
25 “Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One,[d] the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.[e] The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’[f] In the middle of the ‘seven’[g] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[h] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

Let me guess, you can't make hides or tails out of it, right?

Right.

The term Anointed one is in reference to the Messiah because that is the translation of Messiah. When looking in the OT, we find this a handful of places, but most of them are in reference to anointing kings of Israel like Saul and David. Why is this important? It is important because all other Messianic prophesies are interpreted as being Messianic in origin. However, there is no need for interpretation here because Messiah is spelled out for us.

This is the only verifiable futuristic reference to a coming Messiah or anointed one. In fact, it is a calendar for the coming Messiah that Christians believe was Christ.

The first Christian on record that made the observation that this was a calendar for the coming Messiah appears to have been Justin Martyr who lived from 153 to 165 AD. What is strange, however, is that he never made any written explanation as to calculating the time of the Daniel prophesy to the time of Jesus.

Then came Irenaeus (ca. A.D. 180) who also associated the verse with the calendar for Christ but failed to give us an explanation of the calculation.

However, Clement of Alexandria (ca. A.D. 200) gave it a go as he was the first Christian writer to explain the time periods in Daniel 9, although he was a bit vague about the details. For him:

• • The “most holy” one (Dan 9:24) is Jesus Christ.
  • The 490 years began with Cyrus.
  • The first seven weeks (49 years) were the period of the construction of the temple.
  • The 62 weeks led up to the first advent of Christ.
  • The final week includes Nero’s erection of an “abomination” in Jerusalem as well as the destruction of the city and temple in AD 70.

Clement, therefore, included both Jesus Christ and the destruction of Jerusalem in the 490 years. But this implies a gap between the first 69 weeks and the last week.

From then on, there have been, and continue to be, a myriad of Christian theologians who tried their hand at the calculations, which was difficult for various reasons. First off, the wording in Daniel is weird as they used strange verbiage to describe the passing of time. Secondly, the Jewish calendar Daniel used was different from the Gregorian calendar we all use today. For example, the Jewish calendar has 360 days and ours has 365 days. Then factor in the leap year problem. Not only do you have to factor them in, not all centuries on the Gregorian calendar had leap years as the Gregorian calendar therefore omits three leap days every 400 years. And lastly, the original translation was in Hebrew. Only those who were experts in Hebrew had no problem with the wording, or the calendar. So, over the years the calculations seem to have been getting better and better as theologians build off each other's findings and interpretations.

So, what did Jewish scholars say about the scripture? After all, they were the experts, right?

Maimonides, who lived from (1138–1204) was the most preeminent Rabbinical medieval philosopher in history, had this to say about the verse.

"Daniel has made known to us the knowledge of the end times. However, since they are secret, the wise rabbis have barred the calculation of the days of the Messiah's coming so that the untutored populace will not be led astray when they see that the End Times have already come but there is no sign of the Messiah." (Igeret Teimen, Chapter 3. p.24)

Likewise, the Sanhedrin wrote, "May the curse of heaven fall upon those who calculate the date of the advent of the Messiah, and thus create political and social unrest among the people (Sanhedrin, 97b)

Sounds to me like this verse is a hot potato with Jewish scribes. In fact, a rabbi by the name of Leopold Cohn, who was also a rabbi born in Berezna, Hungary in the mid 1800s was also fascinated with the calendar. It all began as Cohn recited his morning devotions that involved the 12th article of the Jewish creed which declares, "I believe with a perfect faith in the coming of the Messiah and, though he tarries, yet will I wait daily for his coming." So, Cohn got to wondering what was meant by the Messiah having to tarry or wait to come. He was then directed to the teachings of non-other than Maimonides, who was convinced from Daniel 9 that the Messiah should have come, at least by the year 1138, but did not for whatever reason. Naturally, he did not provide us with his calculation. What a shame.

Cohn was told by his superiors that the Messiah delayed his coming because of the sinfulness of Israel. In other words, God changed his mind. However, Cohn did not buy it, as he calculated the calendar for the coming Messiah himself and said it pointed to the time of Jesus. Cohn then ended up giving up his entire career as a rabbi and came to America to start the Jews for Jesus movement.

The Y2K Apocalypse

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Still waiting for that darn messianic period

In Xanadindu Did Kublai Kenyan a Statist Pleasure-Dome Decree

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

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Jesus and others in the New Testament borrowed from the Old Testament.

Like they borrowed "Why hast thou forsaken me" from King David.

Oops!

That was proof that Jesus finally realized he had been deluded all along in thinking he was the Son of God.

 

[Cougarbear]

Isaiah 29:1–8 Isaiah prophesied of the destruction of Jerusalem, which occurred because of the wickedness of the people who lived there. He also referred to the Nephite nation, which would also be destroyed because of wickedness.

Verse 11; "And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a BOOK that is SEALED, which MEN deliver to one that is learned saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:" Note in verse 10, "The prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered." Meaning, the people did what you do, deny that visions of the future happen. Then, he goes on to share a vision of the future event of bringing forth this marvellous book that had been sealed in the earth. Verse 12; And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he said, I am not learned." The Lord then says in the vision concerning you and others like you that can't believe in prophecy, "Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:" Who taught you that God could not show visions of the future? Then, the Lord said concerning the unlearned lad, "Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men (those you follow) shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men (those you follow) shall be hid.
Then, to verse 18, "And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness." Verse 24, "They also that erred (you) in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured (you) shall learn doctrine."

So, tell us oh prudent one, what and where is this book that was supposed to come forth in Isaiah's time? Don't know?

 

[surada]

Votto, below is an interesting read for sure. It's one man's opinion & It's somewhat lengthy for such a short study but worded to be easy to comprehend so one does not get lost in rhetoric.

Hitler Will Rise Again! | Christian Answer Man

By Mark W Swarbrick The Mystery of the Antichrist & the Seventh Kingdom If you find this article interesting you would probably like my book, End of Days: What the Bible Says Happens Next Available on Amazon for just five dollars - Click HERE. Most Christians know that Israel becoming a nation...

christiananswerman.com

The website is false.

 

[surada]

Verse 11; "And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a BOOK that is SEALED, which MEN deliver to one that is learned saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:" Note in verse 10, "The prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered." Meaning, the people did what you do, deny that visions of the future happen. Then, he goes on to share a vision of the future event of bringing forth this marvellous book that had been sealed in the earth. Verse 12; And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he said, I am not learned." The Lord then says in the vision concerning you and others like you that can't believe in prophecy, "Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:" Who taught you that God could not show visions of the future? Then, the Lord said concerning the unlearned lad, "Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men (those you follow) shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men (those you follow) shall be hid.
Then, to verse 18, "And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness." Verse 24, "They also that erred (you) in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured (you) shall learn doctrine."

So, tell us oh prudent one, what and where is this book that was supposed to come forth in Isaiah's time? Don't know?

In Daniel 9:26-27, the angel goes on to accurately foretell of events concerning Israel’s seven-year long war with Rome (Iyyar of A.D. 66 to the fall of Masada on Passover of A.D. 74