People who kill themselves for selfish reasons are cowards, GAY OR NOT.

[Samson]

I think bullying gay people is cruel. Gay kids are usually pretty mild mannered. It's mean.

Umm bullying is cruel period. Kind of the definition of bullying I would think.

You're not familiar with kinder, gentler bullying?

 

[2Parties]

People who make threads on the internet about suicide being selfish are gay, cowardly or not.

 

[eagleseven]

I am sick of hearing "Oh no, stop the bullies who pray on gay people." I would prefer to see "Hey parents, teach your kids how to stand up for themselves and a little bit of self worth so maybe they won't turn out to be a friggin pansy ass."

Parents don't have to spend a majority of their waking hours with bullies...nor do you.

I was heavily bullied in school...and fought back. Brutally. Everyone was armed, except the teachers. My fellow students learned to lay off after I gouged one of their eyes out. Still was slammed into various dumpsters repeatedly when the older students outnumbered me.

School should not be a warzone. Today's inner-city schools are no safer than federal prisons.

Also, regular bullying of nerds is just as bad, but at least nerds are proud of being nerds. Why can't gay people be proud of being gay? I thought they were. I am confused now.

Do you really want to see more PRIDE parades?

You are confused.

 

[Nosmo King]

I am sick of hearing "Oh no, stop the bullies who pray on gay people." I would prefer to see "Hey parents, teach your kids how to stand up for themselves and a little bit of self worth so maybe they won't turn out to be a friggin pansy ass."

Yeah, I went there.

Also, regular bullying of nerds is just as bad, but at least nerds are proud of being nerds. Why can't gay people be proud of being gay? I thought they were. I am confused now.

I'm confused too. Your post endorses bullying? Your post endorses the need for greater self-esteem...but through bullying? Your post asks for greater acceptance of Gay people so long as they can be bullied into an acceptable being?

So much for "Compassionate Conservatism"!

 

[fyrenza]

WTF would ANYONE visit a FaceBook page that is downing them??? It isn't like you're FORCED to view it...

I've left forums over being "hated" on ~ and didn't look back. I evidently didn't fit it, so I got on down the road.

Seems to me like EVERYONE gets some of this, regardless of HOW fab you are,

and, indeed, sometimes it's BECAUSE you're too cool.

It's a major part of how we learn empathy and also UNentitlement, imho.

 

[Liberty]

I am sick of hearing "Oh no, stop the bullies who pray on gay people." I would prefer to see "Hey parents, teach your kids how to stand up for themselves and a little bit of self worth so maybe they won't turn out to be a friggin pansy ass."

Yeah, I went there.

Also, regular bullying of nerds is just as bad, but at least nerds are proud of being nerds. Why can't gay people be proud of being gay? I thought they were. I am confused now.

I'm confused too. Your post endorses bullying? Your post endorses the need for greater self-esteem...but through bullying? Your post asks for greater acceptance of Gay people so long as they can be bullied into an acceptable being?

So much for "Compassionate Conservatism"!

...psychotic much?

 

[Madeline]

Part of the problem is that many parents really don't get "new age bullying".

We've come a long way from school yard taunts and bullies have keyboards at their fingertips destroying other childrens lives with vile rumour mongering. Bullies even coordinate attacks on other children now with the assistance and complicity of a parent for heaven's sake.

How sick is that?

Two in recent memory were the girl who hanged herself because of an online hoax that the neighbor teen instigated with the help of her mother and another where this cruel bitch from hell has been tormenting a little girl, age 7 years old and dying.

TRENTON, Mich. - Her family says 7-year-old Kathleen Edward is in the final stages of a degenerative brain disorder diagnosed as Huntington's Disease - the same disease which killed her mother, Laura, when she was only 24.

Neighbors Jennifer and Scott Petkov, who have been feuding with the family, admitted to posting grim depictions of Laura and Kathleen on Facebook. One photo depicts Laura in the arms of the grim reaper, while the other features Kathleen's face above a set of crossbones.

The couple also have a coffin hitched to a pick-up truck in front of the house, which they say is nothing more than a halloween decoration.

This is sadistic behaviour. I don't understand the concept that a child or young adult under of the age of 18 could be classed as a coward for just wanting to end their lives if they have been under the extraordinary assaults we have witnessed recently.

Sorries. But that's the way I feel.

I agree with you completely, miss. I think we need new statutes to cover such facts......this should be some sort of homicide.

What we have witnessed recently is beyond the pale. The story of the young college student who killed himself after his room mate thought it was a swell idea to stream this boy's private intimate moment on line had my head spinning faster than Linda Blair's in the freaking Exorcist.

Unreal. Just unreal.

There's some judicial hope on the horizon though. I've been following this story for a bit.
Crazy but true.


British women turn detective to bring US 'suicide voyeur' to justice


Three British women turned detective to bring an American "suicide voyeur" William Melchert-Dinkel to justice over his alleged attempts to encourage vulnerable people to take their own lives.


By Andrew Alderson, Chief Reporter
Published: 9:00PM BST 25 Apr 2010

The 47-year-old is said to have posed as a female nurse on the internet to encourage dozens of people, including a man in the UK, to commit suicide. It is claimed that he wanted to watch his victims die using a webcam.

Melchert-Dinkel, who is married with two children, allegedly pretended to be a compassionate nurse in internet chat rooms – calling himself names including "Falcon Girl" and "Cami D" – in order to prey on depressed people.

He was charged on Friday by the US authorities with two rare counts of assisting suicides, and more charges may follow. He has been charged with aiding the suicide of Mark Drybrough, 32, who hanged himself in Coventry in 2005. Melchert-Dinkel is also accused of assisting with the suicide of Nadia Kajouji, 18, who drowned in a river in Ottawa, Canada.

The charges follow investigative work going back five years by three British women, including Mr Drybrough's mother. She joined forced with Katherine Lowe, from Wolverhampton, who alleges that Melchert-Dinkel encouraged her over the internet to commit suicide.

Rest of the story is at the link. I never thought I would hear a phrase like "suicide voyeur" in my lifetime. Sheesh.

British women turn detective to bring US 'suicide voyeur' to justice - Telegraph

I have heard of this man before...he's a 'net legend. It's depraved and yes, we need new laws to criminalize such conduct. I'm kinda shocked it took so long to get him arrested....I had thought he was, already. Good for those UK chicks.

 

[Madeline]

I am sick of hearing "Oh no, stop the bullies who pray on gay people." I would prefer to see "Hey parents, teach your kids how to stand up for themselves and a little bit of self worth so maybe they won't turn out to be a friggin pansy ass."

Parents don't have to spend a majority of their waking hours with bullies...nor do you.

I was heavily bullied in school...and fought back. Brutally. Everyone was armed, except the teachers. My fellow students learned to lay off after I gouged one of their eyes out. Still was slammed into various dumpsters repeatedly when the older students outnumbered me.

School should not be a warzone. Today's inner-city schools are no safer than federal prisons.

Also, regular bullying of nerds is just as bad, but at least nerds are proud of being nerds. Why can't gay people be proud of being gay? I thought they were. I am confused now.

Do you really want to see more PRIDE parades?

You are confused.

Hey Liberty, I have a video for you......

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TMTrpugT0E"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TMTrpugT0E[/ame]

 

[rdean]

I am sick of hearing "Oh no, stop the bullies who pray on gay people." I would prefer to see "Hey parents, teach your kids how to stand up for themselves and a little bit of self worth so maybe they won't turn out to be a friggin pansy ass."

Yeah, I went there.

Also, regular bullying of nerds is just as bad, but at least nerds are proud of being nerds. Why can't gay people be proud of being gay? I thought they were. I am confused now.

Depression is an equal opportunity killer. Clinical depression is very dangerous. I would know I have it. I take lots of pills to control my thoughts on suicide. Logic and "strength" are meaningless if someone is deeply depressed.

Anyone that encourages depression or aids it is equally responsible for what ever actions the depressed person takes.

Kids are cruel. Always have been and always will be, but schools can take steps to stop the worst of it and they chose NOT to.

I'm sorry to hear that. I have a friend whose 18 year old niece suffered from depression and when she started giving her prized possessions to her friends, no one knew that was a "warning sign". Then one day her mother came home to find her dead on the floor. The mother called the ambulance and they took her to the hospital. It wasn't until they took an x-ray that they found a bullet. The gun she used rolled under the bed.

The mother, a close friend of mine, was so devastated and then to have the police come back to look for a gun and find it under the woman's bed was just too tragic.

The girl may have been in pain, but the real pain was leaving behind a sister who thought she did wasn't as good as she could have been and a mother who feels she is a failure. In fact, she confided in me right after the tragedy, the only thing keeping her alive was her other daughter and her grand-kids.

The worst thing about successful suicides are the people left behind who have to deal with the aftermath. People who contemplate suicide have to know that because if knowing that can stop one suicide, then talking about it is a good thing and not some uncomfortable thing to shun.

People who call the mentally ill "cowards" are "mentally ill" themselves.

 

[Madeline]

WTF would ANYONE visit a FaceBook page that is downing them??? It isn't like you're FORCED to view it...

I've left forums over being "hated" on ~ and didn't look back. I evidently didn't fit it, so I got on down the road.

Seems to me like EVERYONE gets some of this, regardless of HOW fab you are,

and, indeed, sometimes it's BECAUSE you're too cool.

It's a major part of how we learn empathy and also UNentitlement, imho.

The haters were this child's next door neighbors, fyrenza. I assume the victims kept on eye on all their activities, IRL and online. Who wouldn't?

 

[masquerade]

The worst thing about successful suicides are the people left behind who have to deal with the aftermath. People who contemplate suicide have to know that because if knowing that can stop one suicide, then talking about it is a good thing and not some uncomfortable thing to shun.

What about the person who has thoughts or does commit suicide? What about the demons in that person's head? Being in the dark is a very scary place. Unfortunately, some can never find even a glimmer of light.


I'm sorry to hear about your friend's daughter.

 

[Liberty]

I am sick of hearing "Oh no, stop the bullies who pray on gay people." I would prefer to see "Hey parents, teach your kids how to stand up for themselves and a little bit of self worth so maybe they won't turn out to be a friggin pansy ass."

Parents don't have to spend a majority of their waking hours with bullies...nor do you.

I was heavily bullied in school...and fought back. Brutally. Everyone was armed, except the teachers. My fellow students learned to lay off after I gouged one of their eyes out. Still was slammed into various dumpsters repeatedly when the older students outnumbered me.

School should not be a warzone. Today's inner-city schools are no safer than federal prisons.

Also, regular bullying of nerds is just as bad, but at least nerds are proud of being nerds. Why can't gay people be proud of being gay? I thought they were. I am confused now.

Do you really want to see more PRIDE parades?

You are confused.

Hey Liberty, I have a video for you......

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TMTrpugT0E"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TMTrpugT0E[/ame]

i commented in the thread dedicated to that video already.

 

[Liberty]

I am sick of hearing "Oh no, stop the bullies who pray on gay people." I would prefer to see "Hey parents, teach your kids how to stand up for themselves and a little bit of self worth so maybe they won't turn out to be a friggin pansy ass."

Yeah, I went there.

Also, regular bullying of nerds is just as bad, but at least nerds are proud of being nerds. Why can't gay people be proud of being gay? I thought they were. I am confused now.

Depression is an equal opportunity killer. Clinical depression is very dangerous. I would know I have it. I take lots of pills to control my thoughts on suicide. Logic and "strength" are meaningless if someone is deeply depressed.

Anyone that encourages depression or aids it is equally responsible for what ever actions the depressed person takes.

Kids are cruel. Always have been and always will be, but schools can take steps to stop the worst of it and they chose NOT to.

I'm sorry to hear that. I have a friend whose 18 year old niece suffered from depression and when she started giving her prized possessions to her friends, no one knew that was a "warning sign". Then one day her mother came home to find her dead on the floor. The mother called the ambulance and they took her to the hospital. It wasn't until they took an x-ray that they found a bullet. The gun she used rolled under the bed.

The mother, a close friend of mine, was so devastated and then to have the police come back to look for a gun and find it under the woman's bed was just too tragic.

The girl may have been in pain, but the real pain was leaving behind a sister who thought she did wasn't as good as she could have been and a mother who feels she is a failure. In fact, she confided in me right after the tragedy, the only thing keeping her alive was her other daughter and her grand-kids.

The worst thing about successful suicides are the people left behind who have to deal with the aftermath. People who contemplate suicide have to know that because if knowing that can stop one suicide, then talking about it is a good thing and not some uncomfortable thing to shun.

People who call the mentally ill "cowards" are "mentally ill" themselves.

get off your emotional high horse and start thinking in terms of reality. The mother WAS a failure for not being able to take care of her kid. The kid WAS a coward but it was not her fault, it was the parents. Parents need to have more responsibility in raising their kids and their kids failures. It is unfortunate but it is better to be rational and factual than over emotional and illogical.

 

[masquerade]

get off your emotional high horse and start thinking in terms of reality. The mother WAS a failure for not being able to take care of her kid. The kid WAS a coward but it was not her fault, it was the parents. Parents need to have more responsibility in raising their kids and their kids failures. It is unfortunate but it is better to be rational and factual than over emotional and illogical.

Have you or anyone close to you ever deal with depression and thoughts of suicide? I, like you, used to believe it is a selfish act.

 

[rdean]

The worst thing about successful suicides are the people left behind who have to deal with the aftermath. People who contemplate suicide have to know that because if knowing that can stop one suicide, then talking about it is a good thing and not some uncomfortable thing to shun.

What about the person who has thoughts or does commit suicide? What about the demons in that person's head? Being in the dark is a very scary place. Unfortunately, some can never find even a glimmer of light.


I'm sorry to hear about your friend's daughter.

People suffering depression are in pain, no doubt. It may even be caused by a chemical imbalance nothing to do with circumstances. Our bodies have a great influence on our minds.

But once they are dead, they don't feel anything anymore. It's the people they leave behind that are suffering then.

 

[rdean]

Depression is an equal opportunity killer. Clinical depression is very dangerous. I would know I have it. I take lots of pills to control my thoughts on suicide. Logic and "strength" are meaningless if someone is deeply depressed.

Anyone that encourages depression or aids it is equally responsible for what ever actions the depressed person takes.

Kids are cruel. Always have been and always will be, but schools can take steps to stop the worst of it and they chose NOT to.

I'm sorry to hear that. I have a friend whose 18 year old niece suffered from depression and when she started giving her prized possessions to her friends, no one knew that was a "warning sign". Then one day her mother came home to find her dead on the floor. The mother called the ambulance and they took her to the hospital. It wasn't until they took an x-ray that they found a bullet. The gun she used rolled under the bed.

The mother, a close friend of mine, was so devastated and then to have the police come back to look for a gun and find it under the woman's bed was just too tragic.

The girl may have been in pain, but the real pain was leaving behind a sister who thought she did wasn't as good as she could have been and a mother who feels she is a failure. In fact, she confided in me right after the tragedy, the only thing keeping her alive was her other daughter and her grand-kids.

The worst thing about successful suicides are the people left behind who have to deal with the aftermath. People who contemplate suicide have to know that because if knowing that can stop one suicide, then talking about it is a good thing and not some uncomfortable thing to shun.

People who call the mentally ill "cowards" are "mentally ill" themselves.

get off your emotional high horse and start thinking in terms of reality. The mother WAS a failure for not being able to take care of her kid. The kid WAS a coward but it was not her fault, it was the parents. Parents need to have more responsibility in raising their kids and their kids failures. It is unfortunate but it is better to be rational and factual than over emotional and illogical.

sickest of the sick

 

[Liberty]

get off your emotional high horse and start thinking in terms of reality. The mother WAS a failure for not being able to take care of her kid. The kid WAS a coward but it was not her fault, it was the parents. Parents need to have more responsibility in raising their kids and their kids failures. It is unfortunate but it is better to be rational and factual than over emotional and illogical.

Have you or anyone close to you ever deal with depression and thoughts of suicide? I, like you, used to believe it is a selfish act.

No. I am part of a strong family and surround myself with strong people.

 

[random3434]

Depression is an equal opportunity killer. Clinical depression is very dangerous. I would know I have it. I take lots of pills to control my thoughts on suicide. Logic and "strength" are meaningless if someone is deeply depressed.

Anyone that encourages depression or aids it is equally responsible for what ever actions the depressed person takes.

Kids are cruel. Always have been and always will be, but schools can take steps to stop the worst of it and they chose NOT to.

I'm sorry to hear that. I have a friend whose 18 year old niece suffered from depression and when she started giving her prized possessions to her friends, no one knew that was a "warning sign". Then one day her mother came home to find her dead on the floor. The mother called the ambulance and they took her to the hospital. It wasn't until they took an x-ray that they found a bullet. The gun she used rolled under the bed.

The mother, a close friend of mine, was so devastated and then to have the police come back to look for a gun and find it under the woman's bed was just too tragic.

The girl may have been in pain, but the real pain was leaving behind a sister who thought she did wasn't as good as she could have been and a mother who feels she is a failure. In fact, she confided in me right after the tragedy, the only thing keeping her alive was her other daughter and her grand-kids.

The worst thing about successful suicides are the people left behind who have to deal with the aftermath. People who contemplate suicide have to know that because if knowing that can stop one suicide, then talking about it is a good thing and not some uncomfortable thing to shun.

People who call the mentally ill "cowards" are "mentally ill" themselves.

get off your emotional high horse and start thinking in terms of reality. The mother WAS a failure for not being able to take care of her kid. The kid WAS a coward but it was not her fault, it was the parents. Parents need to have more responsibility in raising their kids and their kids failures. It is unfortunate but it is better to be rational and factual than over emotional and illogical.

Holy Shit You're an Asshole.

 

[Liberty]

I'm sorry to hear that. I have a friend whose 18 year old niece suffered from depression and when she started giving her prized possessions to her friends, no one knew that was a "warning sign". Then one day her mother came home to find her dead on the floor. The mother called the ambulance and they took her to the hospital. It wasn't until they took an x-ray that they found a bullet. The gun she used rolled under the bed.

The mother, a close friend of mine, was so devastated and then to have the police come back to look for a gun and find it under the woman's bed was just too tragic.

The girl may have been in pain, but the real pain was leaving behind a sister who thought she did wasn't as good as she could have been and a mother who feels she is a failure. In fact, she confided in me right after the tragedy, the only thing keeping her alive was her other daughter and her grand-kids.

The worst thing about successful suicides are the people left behind who have to deal with the aftermath. People who contemplate suicide have to know that because if knowing that can stop one suicide, then talking about it is a good thing and not some uncomfortable thing to shun.

People who call the mentally ill "cowards" are "mentally ill" themselves.

get off your emotional high horse and start thinking in terms of reality. The mother WAS a failure for not being able to take care of her kid. The kid WAS a coward but it was not her fault, it was the parents. Parents need to have more responsibility in raising their kids and their kids failures. It is unfortunate but it is better to be rational and factual than over emotional and illogical.

sickest of the sick

logic is always sick to people who can't think logically.

 

[Liberty]

I'm sorry to hear that. I have a friend whose 18 year old niece suffered from depression and when she started giving her prized possessions to her friends, no one knew that was a "warning sign". Then one day her mother came home to find her dead on the floor. The mother called the ambulance and they took her to the hospital. It wasn't until they took an x-ray that they found a bullet. The gun she used rolled under the bed.

The mother, a close friend of mine, was so devastated and then to have the police come back to look for a gun and find it under the woman's bed was just too tragic.

The girl may have been in pain, but the real pain was leaving behind a sister who thought she did wasn't as good as she could have been and a mother who feels she is a failure. In fact, she confided in me right after the tragedy, the only thing keeping her alive was her other daughter and her grand-kids.

The worst thing about successful suicides are the people left behind who have to deal with the aftermath. People who contemplate suicide have to know that because if knowing that can stop one suicide, then talking about it is a good thing and not some uncomfortable thing to shun.

People who call the mentally ill "cowards" are "mentally ill" themselves.

get off your emotional high horse and start thinking in terms of reality. The mother WAS a failure for not being able to take care of her kid. The kid WAS a coward but it was not her fault, it was the parents. Parents need to have more responsibility in raising their kids and their kids failures. It is unfortunate but it is better to be rational and factual than over emotional and illogical.

Holy Shit You're an Asshole.

Someone has to tell it like it is. This isn't a group therapy session.