People Who Edit Other's Posts in Replies

[Lewdog]

It's not even about that. It's about people taking a simple quote, and then taking the extra time to edit out a large part of the quote to a single line or two... of which most of the time takes it out of context. Even in large quote chains the majority of the chain gets condensed to nothing. And last time I checked, people aren't getting charged a fee for the number of words in their posts... otherwise emilynghiem would be poor as hell.

Here's a perfect example of why it is sometimes necessary to edit down quoted material. As your message was displayed to me, I could not, at a glance, even see the part to which you were responding. All that shows, until one clicks the “Click to expland” link, is old stuff, no longer directly relevant to your reply.

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You said yourself it was all condensed down on all the old quotes in the chain... so therefore why would it need to be edited out? That's the point of it doing that... if you want to read the old quotes in the chain you can click to expand it and read it rather than reading the old posts in the thread, OR you can just read the new post.

I don't even get what you are arguing here.

 

[PK1]

Do not edit posts of others


I agree with what you were told (see my clip of your post), and i see a need to clip "relevant" sections of a post to FOCUS on certain content when i reply.
No big deal for me, as long as the context is not manipulated to misrepresent the poster's intentions.

 

[Kat]

I do not know as a fact atm but I think editing quotes of others is a no no.

I was told it was only against the rules if it is reported and the mod that reviews the report agrees that the way the quote was edited changes the context of the quote. So it is a case by case basis... which I think is a wrong way to handle the situation, and puts too much power and burden in the hands of mods. It would just be simple to say that you must use the entire quote, even if you break it up into pieces to respond to it.

I see. Well, one thing for sure, people can go back and see the original post, so they will know if it has been played around with.

As far as power to the mods, yes we have many things we mod and have to make a decision on which way to call something, but we also have the rules to go by as well.

But you know as well as I do, not very many people take the time to go back the the original posts to read it if they didn't pay attention to it in the first place, to make sure that the new post is being quoted like it was meant to be. They simple read the post and what is quoted in the post and take it for what it says there.

Okay. Then all I can suggest is that you report the post(s)

But what's the point? The way the rules are set up it is an absolute crap shoot. First it depends on if you get a mod that likes you or not, and then it comes down to total opinion of whether the way the quote was edited out if it changes the context of the quote compared to the total initial post.

That's the whole point of this thread, why even have a rule set up that way? Why have a rule that you have to worry about who gets your ticket and then the result be based upon something that is totally subjective. Just make a rule that is cut and dry. It will make everything much easier at the end of the day.

I disagree. Staff tries very hard to mod without bias.

 

[PK1]

Do not edit posts of others

I agree with what you were told (see my clip of your post), and i see a need to clip "relevant" sections of a post to FOCUS on certain content when i reply.
No big deal for me, as long as the context is not manipulated to misrepresent the poster's intentions.

I "clipped" the part i was focusing on & did not change any words.
I would not call that "editing".
Here is the part i clipped:

"I've been told that it is against the rules for someone to edit someone's quote in a reply to make it out of context, BUT it is on a situation by situation basis and therefor is up to the judgment of whatever mod that so happens to read your ticket. There really is no need to even do that"

 

[Kat]

Do not edit posts of others

I agree with what you were told (see my clip of your post), and i see a need to clip "relevant" sections of a post to FOCUS on certain content when i reply.
No big deal for me, as long as the context is not manipulated to misrepresent the poster's intentions.

I "clipped" the part i was focusing on & did not change any words.
I would not call that "editing".
Here is the part i clipped:

"I've been told that it is against the rules for someone to edit someone's quote in a reply to make it out of context, BUT it is on a situation by situation basis and therefor is up to the judgment of whatever mod that so happens to read your ticket. There really is no need to even do that"

Okay. My bad, and my apologies. I am sorry I messed that one up.

 

[Eloy]

I can't remember if I started a thread about his before, but I think there should be a forum rule against people editing out part of a person's quote when using it in a reply.

I disagree. ...

You usually do.

 

[ChrisL]

Instead of cutting out parts of a post, you can always just bold the parts you want to address or copy the particular part of it into your reply.

 

[Compost]

If you take issue with how somebody clipped your remarks, address it at that time. You are arguing with somebody, make your points, including how they manipulated your words. I see no reason why mods have to be involved at all.

 

[Coyote]

Here's the deal on editing quotes:

Yes, we allow it. People can edit a quote to reply to specific parts or emphasize specific parts. They can edit for brevity.

They cross the line if the edit alters the meaning of the quote and yes, that's a case by case basis.

They also can not insert anything or change the wording within a quote box.

 

[Lewdog]

Here's the deal on editing quotes:

Yes, we allow it. People can edit a quote to reply to specific parts or emphasize specific parts. They can edit for brevity.

They cross the line if the edit alters the meaning of the quote and yes, that's a case by case basis.

...and I think it is bupkiss. It is stupid to have such a subjective rule. If this is how things are going to be then I guess I'll have to lower my level of honor and just fight fire with fire and do the same thing. And if I get dinged for it I'll just argue that I'm being penalized because of a mods opinion that is subjective and could be influenced by their personal bias... because let's be honest, mods do have a personal bias whether the consciously show it or not.

Having a cut and dry "Do not edit a person's quote in a reply to remove parts of the quote" rule is the most simple answer to the problem. You can still divide up the quote to answer parts of it at a time, like YOU have admitted you like to do, but just make sure the entire quote is being used. And for those that want to replay to a specific part of a quote, just do like many here have suggested and just bold that part in the quote... but the whole quote is still there for other's to see and see the context of what is said.

Seriously, this is the dumbest thing I've seen on any forum I've ever been a member. On zero forums other than this one is it EVER ok to edit things out of another person's quote when replying to them, and is usually considered a serious offense if anyone is caught doing it.

 

[saveliberty]

I can't remember if I started a thread about his before, but I think there should be a forum rule against people editing out part of a person's quote when using it in a reply. I see people do it all the time in order to use it to their advantage and make the quote look out of context. You'll have people argue that they only want to reply to part of the quote... but why can't you do that and still quote the whole post? Nothing is stopping you. It actually takes more effort to go in and edit out part of the quote than just to quote the whole thing.

I do it to focus on a specific part of an otherwise long winded post. For example, you had two more paragraphs here, basically saying the same thing.

 

[Coyote]

I have been on many forums that allow editing quotes for brevity or to reply to particular points.

 

[Lewdog]

And as we speak LaDexter in another thread has edited my quotes to change the context... This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

BREAKING: Obama's NSA Advisor Susan Rice Requested The Unmaskings Of Incoming Trump Officials

It's fucking stupid not to have a cut and dry rule.

 

[saveliberty]

And as we speak LaDexter in another thread has edited my quotes to change the context... This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

BREAKING: Obama's NSA Advisor Susan Rice Requested The Unmaskings Of Incoming Trump Officials

It's fucking stupid not to have a cut and dry rule.

Most times your issue is not in play. Just report the violations.

 

[Lewdog]

And as we speak LaDexter in another thread has edited my quotes to change the context... This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

BREAKING: Obama's NSA Advisor Susan Rice Requested The Unmaskings Of Incoming Trump Officials

It's fucking stupid not to have a cut and dry rule.

Most times your issue is not in play. Just report the violations.

Why the fuck report it? I had a person that literally changed almost every word in a quote last night in this thread and I reported it. There were two mods online and it sat for over 3 hours before finally a mod did anything about it. Here's the thing. What I've found is if you complain about something on here Mods will tell you they are so busy they can't catch everything so they WANT you to help them and report it. But if you report stuff it then puts more burden on them and then they don't take your reports seriously because they figure if you report stuff and nothing gets done about it then you'll just stop reporting stuff. Sooo... pretty much reporting stuff is a crap shoot.

 

[Kat]

It sort of is cut and dry to me. By changing the meaning of anyone's words. If that happens, click the report button. Please will do that even if there is a hard core rule.

Sometimes I do not want to quote a whole page of quotes, and will pull out a sentence or two. I never though of it as changing a quote, because I have never changed wording in anyone's quote.

 

[Kat]

And as we speak LaDexter in another thread has edited my quotes to change the context... This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

BREAKING: Obama's NSA Advisor Susan Rice Requested The Unmaskings Of Incoming Trump Officials

It's fucking stupid not to have a cut and dry rule.

Most times your issue is not in play. Just report the violations.

Why the fuck report it? I had a person that literally changed almost every word in a quote last night in this thread and I reported it. There were two mods online and it sat for over 3 hours before finally a mod did anything about it. Here's the thing. What I've found is if you complain about something on here Mods will tell you they are so busy they can't catch everything so they WANT you to help them and report it. But if you report stuff it then puts more burden on them and then they don't take your reports seriously because they figure if you report stuff and nothing gets done about it then you'll just stop reporting stuff. Sooo... pretty much reporting stuff is a crap shoot.

I did take care of that. Also sometimes mods may show as online but really are not. It takes 30 minutes for anyone that exits to stop showing. (is immediate if you actually log out)
And like it or not if you could sometimes see the amount of reported posts, you would understand. There were so many last night, I even screwed it up and edited the wrong post............for which I admitted and apologized for.
I think we DO take reports seriously.

 

[Lewdog]

And as we speak LaDexter in another thread has edited my quotes to change the context... This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

BREAKING: Obama's NSA Advisor Susan Rice Requested The Unmaskings Of Incoming Trump Officials

It's fucking stupid not to have a cut and dry rule.

Most times your issue is not in play. Just report the violations.

Why the fuck report it? I had a person that literally changed almost every word in a quote last night in this thread and I reported it. There were two mods online and it sat for over 3 hours before finally a mod did anything about it. Here's the thing. What I've found is if you complain about something on here Mods will tell you they are so busy they can't catch everything so they WANT you to help them and report it. But if you report stuff it then puts more burden on them and then they don't take your reports seriously because they figure if you report stuff and nothing gets done about it then you'll just stop reporting stuff. Sooo... pretty much reporting stuff is a crap shoot.

I did take care of that. Also sometimes mods may show as online but really are not. It takes 30 minutes for anyone that exits to stop showing. (is immediate if you actually log out)
And like it or not if you could sometimes see the amount of reported posts, you would understand. There were so many last night, I even screwed it up and edited the wrong post............for which I admitted and apologized for.
I think we DO take reports seriously.

You're new, you just haven't been institutionalized yet.

 

[saveliberty]

You're new, you just haven't been abused yet.

Fixed it for you. You're welcome.

 

[Kat]

And as we speak LaDexter in another thread has edited my quotes to change the context... This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

BREAKING: Obama's NSA Advisor Susan Rice Requested The Unmaskings Of Incoming Trump Officials

It's fucking stupid not to have a cut and dry rule.

Most times your issue is not in play. Just report the violations.

Why the fuck report it? I had a person that literally changed almost every word in a quote last night in this thread and I reported it. There were two mods online and it sat for over 3 hours before finally a mod did anything about it. Here's the thing. What I've found is if you complain about something on here Mods will tell you they are so busy they can't catch everything so they WANT you to help them and report it. But if you report stuff it then puts more burden on them and then they don't take your reports seriously because they figure if you report stuff and nothing gets done about it then you'll just stop reporting stuff. Sooo... pretty much reporting stuff is a crap shoot.

I did take care of that. Also sometimes mods may show as online but really are not. It takes 30 minutes for anyone that exits to stop showing. (is immediate if you actually log out)
And like it or not if you could sometimes see the amount of reported posts, you would understand. There were so many last night, I even screwed it up and edited the wrong post............for which I admitted and apologized for.
I think we DO take reports seriously.

You're new, you just haven't been institutionalized yet.

New modding here, yes. New to modding and or owning forums, no. I do know right from wrong too!

But seriously, everyone on Staff here tries to do a good job. I know because I watch.